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Should Gase Give Up Playcalling Duties Next Year

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by adamprez2003, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Let me begin by saying that I'm one of Gase's biggest fans. The guy just gets football. He sees where the problems lie and fixes them as his realizing the offensive line was our biggest problem and getting rid of Thomas and Turner in one fell swoop. His not so subtle press statements basically telling Davante Parker he better figure out how to play in pain. We ain't paying you to rehab half the games every year. There is no B.S in the guy. He states the truth in every presser.

    Having said that, the one area on offense specifically I think can be improved is play calling. I like the general overall philosophy he brings, namely balance between run and pass. Start trying to establish the run, if it doesn't work go to pass but try to be balanced between the two throughout the game. My gripe with his play calling however is the plays called .are just not that great. Namely because he doesn't seem to have a good feel for what works and doesn't in game and it takes him a long time within the game to adjust out of the things that aren't working. As an example of a play that we should shelve for the season is the receiver screens. We need another offseason of practicing that play because we run one of the ugliest receiver screens in the entire NFL. There is zero surprise, people are out of position a lot of times, it's just plain ugly.

    In games where we get pass protection its good if we have longer developing pass patterns but when the rush is coming we need to shorten up the passes and Gase sometimes takes two or three drives before he realizes it. Its almost like he goes off his script for too long. You have to figure out right away what adjustments the opponent has made to counter your team and make adjustments to their adjustments quicker. Lately teams are playing our run first and taking that away but it takes Gase until the second quarter before he opens it up. Do it quicker.

    Anyways overall Gase gets an A+ for the season so far but I would like to hear what you guys think about his playcalling. Maybe I'm being too critical
     
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  2. cbrad

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    I totally agree. I think how he tries to fix the often bad play calling (he's admitted this himself) is another test of how good a coach Gase is. Either he demonstrates he can get better at it or delegates it to a person who can.

    Thing is.. we need a fix sooner rather than later. We're in the playoff hunt and about to play some tough teams so this weakness is preferably addressed ASAP, not next year.
     
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  3. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    I agree with you that Gase does have hiccups with playcalls but I know for sure he will get better over the years.
     
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  4. dWreck

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    I think let him finish the year and then re-evaluate it. The best thing about him as a playcaller are the main things you look for, he admits his mistakes and tries to learn from them, and he actually listens to the players and uses their input. He may not be great right now, and he'd be the first to tell you that, but i think he could get better.

    At the end of the season, depending on what happens, I trust he'll give it up to someone else if he isn't confident enough in himself.
     
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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agree that it will be a good test for Gase. Its one thing to evaluate others but to evaluate yourself correctly is often a lot more difficult. I would love to have this addressed right away but I think we have to wait to do it in the offseason. I'm not sure we have a better choice on the staff right now
     
  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I do agree that if he were to stick with it he would improve but how quickly? There are a lot of things on a coach's plate. Maybe it's too much for him to handle.
     
  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    This is how I see it too
     
  8. Unlucky 13

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    I was just thinking this morning about how awesome it is that as long as Gase is our HC, we won't have to worry too much about the OC, since its his baby. When is the last time that we even had the same OC/play caller three years in a row? Its been a long time.
     
  9. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    No

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  10. KeyFin

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    Gase has to call the plays....it's not the same team without him doing that because nobody understands Tannehill like he does. If you hand that off to someone else, Gase is going to be in that person's ear the whole game and not letting them do their job.
     
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  11. CitizenSnips

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    I would never want Gase to give up playcalling. Its why we brought him here, and he sticks to the run as well as takes deep shots regularly. Imo he stuck to screens today due to Suggs and Dumervil. He doesn't do that usually.

    I thought the playcalling was okay today. The int that Webb caught was ridiculous. That play was a good call, a good throw, and 9 times out of ten the defender doesn't catch that. Just a ridiculous play by Webb imo.

    The 2nd int was just a bad throw by tannehill. He had Jarvis but there it behind. Not in Gase. And obviously the 3rd int was just an awful play by tannehill, no idea what he saw there.
     
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  12. KeyFin

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    Tannehill looked flustered this afternoon and for good reason....the defense was giving him fits and it looked like the game sped back up for him some. I still think all his problems are mental; once you knock him out of his typical groove, he just can't forget the bad and find it again. Like you said, he got a few tough breaks today....9 times out of 10 Parker catches that TD or Landry doesn't tip the bad pass straight to a waiting defender.

    I thought it was ironic that Landry made such a spectacular acrobatic move just to save the easy pick...only to have it picked anyway. Just bad luck.

    Sadly, I think this loss means that the playoffs are almost out of reach unless the Broncos collapse, because I don't think KC or Oakland are going to choke down the stretch. But I'm still really looking forward to December football anyway just to see how this team responds. The Arizona game will speak volumes about how much they've grown up.
     
  13. hitman8

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    I have been dissapointed with the play calling as well. Every game we come out flat and nothing works. It takes us until the second half until gase starts to figure things out. He is also becoming a little too predictable in that he is running too much on first down when teams are expecting it. He needs to pass first to open up the run instead of the other way around. He also needs to lay off the bubble screens, he is spamming those and they have not worked all season. Teams are ready for them.
     
  14. iamtiv

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    How much of Gase's play calling relies on Tannehill making a read pre-snap? Maybe Tannehill comes to every play with 2-3 options and it's up to Tannehill to make the read.
    If that's the case, then maybe Tannehill just sucks balls at reading that and making those decisions?
     
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    I think, in the NFL of 2016, a QB has to have the ability to make the final determination on what play is run. If a D is showing something that would completely obliterate the play-as-called, you have to be able to make that adjustment.
     
  16. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What about Mike McCoy, should he be fired?
     
  17. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, this is his first year with this personnel and we've seen a big improvement in the offense. He will figure it out. He loves calling plays and he's been good at it everywhere he's been. Give him another off season to get players for his system and for Ryan to learn the system better.
     
  18. Fame

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    As far as I'm concerned, Adam Gase basically made chicken salad out of chicken s*** this year. Dude gets a HUGE pass in my book for these small bumps in the road because so far he's 2 or 3 steps forward for every one step back. Best coach we've had in decades.
     
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