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Another December Dive Coming?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, Dec 5, 2016.

  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    What an ugly game yesterday. Joe Flacco and the Baltimore offense picked right up where San Fransisco left off last week completely exposing and exploiting the Miami defense. And the offense wasn't even close to being able to keep up. I think we all saw it, so no need to delve into the gory details. The question is - was this just a tough loss to a good team in their house? Or is it a precursor to another December dive that will once again destroy Miami's playoff hopes?

    I know I will catch hell for this, but I smell another December dive. Here's my logic -

    1. The team has been trending down for the past 3 games despite the W/L record. The game against the Rams was ugly. The offense was ineffectual for 95% of the game. The following week, it was the defense that **** the bed, giving up a **** ton of yards to a San Francisco offense that wasn't able to get ANYTHING going against a pretty lousy Bears team. Then yesterday. Nuff said.

    2. The schedule - It might not look bad when you look at the W/L records of the teams they play. Especially looking at the Cardinals and the Jets. A closer look reveals otherwise. The Cardinals are a very talented, well coached, and DESPERATE team. Coming off a huge win against a streaking Redskins team. Carson Palmer looked like he was back to form and David Johnson is ridiculous. If Miami doesn't get things on defense shored up, this will be another ugly outing. The Jets game should be the easiest remaining game on the schedule. But no games against division rivals on the road are ever easy. Especially not in December. The Bills? I think this one will be more difficult than the Patriots game. The Bills are playing good football and at Buffalo in DECEMBER? Never a fun place for Miami to play. Oddly enough, the Patriots at home could be one of the easier games left on the schedule but I'm only basing this on recent history of Miami doing very well against the Patriots at home.

    3. History. Going all the way back to the Marino / Shula days Miami is just not as good a team playing in December. Specifically in cold weather. Luckily weather will only be a factor @ Jets and Bills. Not to mention the recent team history which I referenced a couple weeks ago. In 2012, 2013 and 2014 this team has had impressive streaks that put them in the playoff hunt, only to collapse in December.

    December has never been a kind month to the Dolphins. And it's started out terrible once again. Here is hoping Adam Gase can be the cure for this franchise's December woes, but it doesn't look too good right now.

    I'm sure there will be many to tell me I'm wrong, and I hope I am. So sound off. Do you agree that we are getting nothing but another December dive in our stockings? Or will Adam Gase and the Miami Dolphins give us the rare gift of playoff football for Christmas?
     
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  2. SICK

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    I agree with you, sadly - you hit all the right points about our record being a mirage of sorts. We've won against horrendous teams, in really lucky/bad fashion.

    The Ravens, a real test for us, failed us miserably.

    I told my family who was all at my house for the game yesterday, after we got over the initial shock that I am curious to see how this team responds and how Gase has them ready.

    This Cardinals game is a huge test to see if this franchise is on the right path. We don't have to beat the brakes off of them, but I want to see if we come out hot and excited to defend our home turf, or flat and uninterested secretly awaiting their offseason vacations.

    How does a young team, riding high, respond to crashing down in utter embarrassment? Interested to see how this week of practice, and the game, which if we lose we're done, goes...and how we look.

    All in all, we're a few guys away, but trending in the right direction. Excited to bring on some defensive beasts in the draft and FA....and Im excited to see Gase keep this team moving towards a nice future.
     
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  3. Rick 1966

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    We'll be lucky to win one of our last four games.
     
  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I agree, also very interested to see how this team responds under Adam Gase's leadership. Adam Gase is the biggest difference in this current team from the previous teams that have failed. I think a big part of those past failures were failures in coaching. Terrible coaching that had them mentally and physically unprepared for the stretch run in December. As a result, the teams came out flat.

    I certainly don't think it will be a indictment on Gase even if the team does struggle in December. But it would give us all reason for a ton of optimism if he can get this team to 9-7 or better in his first year. I know it will seem like a disappointment if that means no playoffs, but I think winning 2 out of 4 of the remaining games would be good, and anything better would be phenomenal.
     
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  5. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    I expect us to lose the remainder of our games, maybe get one vs the pats if they rest their guys. These dolphins are the same old 8-8, choke in december dolphins until they show they otherwise. They have earned nothing.

    I'll be sitting here hoping for the best, would love to be surprised. Watching that game yesterday, you can see the confidence in our team just plummet. If pouncey returns, we might still have a chance. that dude is our most important player imo.
     
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  6. Finster

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    It's mainly about evaluating RT now, the team has been playing better, even yesterday the OL was one of the bright spots, they held up very well vs that Raven D, both in the run game and pass pro.

    The team is very fortunate to be in this position to evaluate RT, this has been my biggest concern with RT, poor play in games that matter.

    If I'm making the decision on RT, then he has earned being cut at the end of the year, now it would be up to him to play his way back on the team, and as a GM or HC I would need to see very good play from here on out, any wishy washiness and I'd cut bait.
     
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  7. jdallen1222

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    Lol, cut him and replace with him with who?
     
  8. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Does it matter? Why would you waste 20 mil on a dead duck QB?
     
  9. SICK

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    Replace him with who? Oh, Tannehill gave up 24 points at halftime, and god like stats to Flacco? He was dog **** defending Colin Kapernick last week too, glad we can evaluate his deep zone skills and tackling abilities.

    That interception yesterday that Parker got ripped out of his chest that was perfectly placed, was just a horrible catch on Tannehills part....screw him for that!

    He had a bad game yesterday, as did Tunsil, Parker, Stills, our entire Defense, and Vance Joseph


    LETS CUT EM ALL!!!
     
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  10. jdallen1222

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    It does matter. He may not be elite, or top tier, but he isn't a scrub. Are you looking for a drop off in the position? I'm not opposed to an upgrade, but you must find one first.
     
  11. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    no one to replace him with. keep tannehill but please draft a qb. and get some oline help and some LBers.
     
  12. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Imo, the 20 mil is more important, we can replace what happened yesterday with any scrub, so far in his career he has stunk up the joint in games with playoff implications, so who cares if he plays decent in games that don't matter, when he goes in the tank when they do matter, it's just spinning your wheels.
     
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  13. bigballa2102

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    You pick one pass out of the whole game to say it was perfectly placed? what about the pass to a wide open (in nfl terms) Landry he threw 3 yards behind him for a tipped pick? we just not remembering the whole game of bad passes, high, way off the mark passes? why does RT keep getting credit he played like S**t yesterday as did the defense who I place blame on Vance for getting out coached and not making changes. These 3rd and longs we keep giving up because we don't bring pressure. Prime example why on third and long was yesterday in the wash/az game, az brings a safety blitz which caused cousins to get rid of the ball quick and he missed a wide open crowder who woulda took it to the house had the ball been placed and it was throws behind him for the final pick.

    Saying RT giving up 24 points is a remedial remark, what he did do is only put up 6 points after the ravens had the game in the 4th. That solely falls on him, ajayi and landry were the only one who had heart yesterday, you could see the frustration from landry stills and parker, and RT had that scared look again. The throw to parker in the end zone was well placed and I felt parker should have one that battle but to give a hat tip to one pass is unreal. Is it not the Qb job to score points? yes it is had he scored 21 points and lost I would have given him credit but if your 5th yr qb is not scoring against a playoff team you have no choice but to seek another option. he has had the luck of schedule this yr to bring his QBR up, and the line did a great job yesterday so whats the excuse now? it was the line then it was the lack of talent. how about call apples apples and put the blame on RT. 6 punts and a fg, 90% RT 10% OC.

    end of story. typical 8-8 team, with the benefit of the scheduling. we may win 1 maybe 2 if the pats sit starters. Buffalo in the cold qill run all over us, Arizona with honey badger back = not a good sign. jets possibly pats possibly.
     
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  14. SICK

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    What the **** are you rambling about? I was counteracting blaming him 100%. He doesn't play defense. I also said he had a bad game yesterday, or are you just picking out a couple things to shift focus too? Reading comprehension is your friend.

    I didn't give him any excuse....he sucked *** yesterday. But you're also not on here clapping your hands on the other side of your opinion when he has a game like he did against SF. Trolls like you hide in your conch shell, and come out when he has a bad game, silent when he has a good one. I will call it either way.

    He sucked, and we need to bring in competition for him, period.

    However, its not all on one player. Our defense was dog ****. Vance Joseph called a game like a middle school DC, gase called some head scratchers, Stills didn't fight for balls, Parker didn't, Tunsil had multiple penalties. etc etc etc
     
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  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I'm not sure how anyone could draw the conclusion that Tannehill should be cut after yesterday's game. In this 6 game win streak, he has played as good as just about anyone in the league at times. Yesterday was not good, but you can't just ignore the very good games he has had over the course of the last 6 after one bad game.

    I will agree; however, that if the poor play continues down the stretch that the team will have to start to think long and hard about what role Tannehill is playing in these last season collapses, and Gase will have to continue to try and remedy these inconsistencies in Tannehill's play. He has proven he can be a very good QB in this league, but he has yet to put together a complete season of consistently good QB play, IMHO.
     
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  16. bigballa2102

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    I agree with you 100% took it as sarcasm, apologies......look at any post I have ever made I have never once said RT is our man, he needs competition I agree 100% with you he is nowhere a 5th yr man should be, agree it was a total team loss, I wouldn't solely put it all on RT but him only taking the goose egg off the board in the 4th Is not ok and that's on him. I would even bench him to wake him up, it doesn't matter with who you replace him with if RT is going to lose and so is the other guy, maybe make him wake up and bench him.

    You give Vance more credit I was thinking pop warner game calling. you can see gase really has no confidence in rt to make the right read, that is why there is nothing but slants and wr screens. If the pass is intended to a streak as option 1 that's where he throws it, just like the pass to parker 3rd and 5 down 14 points wasn't that time to take a shot to me. that was a crucial drive, even though he threw it well I felt like the 1st down was needed rather than taking a shot to get 7 since Baltimore walked down the field like it was a walkthrough on sat morning.

    One thing I do have a huge issue with is Gase, leaving in landry ajayi and parker in with 5 min to go down 300, those guys needed to be taken out those guys are staples for our future and an injury in that point of the game would have been upsetting.
     
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  17. Vertical Limit

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    Next week is going to be tough. Dont overlook the cards just because of their record. They have players that can compete against any team at a high level..
     
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  18. bigballa2102

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    agree 1-3 is really not that far off specially if new England is playing for a better playoff spot, az is playing well and I don't know how well we will stop Johnson or shady mccoy, we are going to be underdogs in 3 of 4 contests and I seriously doubt we are more than -3 over the jets. I seen the loss to Baltimore because flaco has never lost to Miami but I didn't predict an A** whooping. I say az=L, jets = W, Buffalo = Loss, New England = toss up depending on if they are sitting starters for playoffs.
     
  19. mor911

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    For real for real... I know everyone likes to get all crazy when the win streak is on. But you guys had have seen this coming right? Miami barely beat some terrible teams. Maybe an ok one or two in there.
     
  20. Phins_Fan_87

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    i think it's a combination of tannehill ****ting the bed yesterday after finally giving fans some hope, and how bad we lost
     
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  21. Finster

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    Who exactly were you countering? lol, I never said it was 100% on RT, not even close, all I said was that he played bad.

    Reading is fundamental.
     
  22. LI phinfan

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    Every single time I read your posts , I break out in. the biggest smile and take a long breath of relief... that we have a man in charge of these decisions in Adam Gase and not you.. thanks Finster


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  23. SICK

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    Agreed 100%. I wanted Moore in there with Carroo, Grant and Drake as well. That game was over.
     
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  24. jdallen1222

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    We know what we have in Moore, I wanted to see the rookie.
     
  25. dolphin25

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    But exactly how many times can you run a freaking bubble screen before you realize it is not going to work?
     
  26. dolphin25

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    yes, and tannehill reverted to his old self, sloppy feet, locking onto guys, throwing only to Landry.
     
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  27. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    this is miami, we barely beat the 49ers and browns. i dont think anyone here is overlooking anything lol.

    as for tanny, he either plays well or he plays bad. he has yet to show he can play well in december, and thats a massive concern for me.
     
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  28. dolphin25

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    So you think Gase is happy with yesterday , lol..... ok
     
  29. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol, no I don't.. not even close!. I think he is unhappy with how all three phases played yesterday..ALL THREE PHASES!.. interesting concept huh? . Ryan played poorly and the defense was trash. Anybody who watched that game and Thinks Tannehill 's name comes up first in the blame dept is kidding themselves. And anybody who makes a comment that they think Tannehill is getting cut next year doesn't know this team or the head coach


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  30. dolphin25

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    The offense never did anything to contribute. Pass blocking and run blocking were solid for the most part.

    The offense is Gase's baby. No one one here is saying the defense played well, but to give the offense a continued pass is insane.
     
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  31. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Show me where I gave the offense a pass seriously show me.. you can't show me where you mentioned anything about the defense show me


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  32. Phins_Fan_87

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    and kiko just had hand surgery
     
  33. GARDENHEAD

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    Don't be a condescending Club Member. Its just ugly and unnecessary. Stay in your ivory tower if the mains are so plebian for you.
     
  34. SICK

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    Doughty? Was he active?
     
  35. vt_dolfan

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    Well then people in the Mains need to up their game then....because we lose and its chicken littles around....Tannehill sucks...and on, and on, and on. People could put more thought into their posts here....they just dont.
     
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  36. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Gardenhead is right, if club is so great, why come on here and denigrate the mains? We are fans reacting to a bad loss. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. There is an awful lot of people on this board who think it's bad in any way shape or form to discuss the team in anything but extremely positive fashion. Nothing wrong with being positive, but I don't know why people think they have to wage war against anyone pointing out or discussing the team's flaws.

    All you people trashing the mains need to realize this board would be dead without it.
     
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  37. PSG

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    Unfortunately, I agree with Monst.
    But mostly because I've just come to expect it.
     
  38. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I also agree with this sentiment. All the member bashing was one of the reason I took a long hiatus from here. I got caught up in it and was guilty of it too. That's not what this site was supposed to be for me.
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Instead of just writing off posters in this thread for being "chicken little's" or trashing it as just "main board" nonsense, I'd love it if a club member or anyone else could tell me why I'm wrong. Honestly, if you don't believe this team is in for another December dive tell me why! I'd love to hear it, and it would probably make all of us feel better.
     
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  40. Rocky Raccoon

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    It's hilarious because the only reason these games even matter is because Tannehill has improved and is making plays at key times.
     
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  41. PSG

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    Yesterday's loss really had nothing to do with Tannehill. The defense got torched. And wasn't even competitive.
    I'm not pro or anti Tannehill. I'm neutral on the topic. My thing is, who would replace him with? Is there seriously a better option?
     
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