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Another December Dive Coming?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, Dec 5, 2016.

  1. cbrad

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    True.. but pertaining to the topic of this thread, it's worth noting that the last time we had a great December was when we had a QB that was consistently playing real well.

    With Pennington in 2008 we won all games in December. Too bad it didn't continue through the playoffs.

    btw guess who destroyed us in the playoffs.. the Baltimore Ravens!
     
  2. bigballa2102

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    opening line was -1 Miami, im sure it will be a pickem or Miami will be a dog at home by game time.
     
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  3. SICK

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    Right, he was saying he wanted to see him play after the game was out of reach. That's not possible if he wasn't active.
     
  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    So he's a groupie?
     
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  5. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't he have been activated late in the game? That would mean QB1 and QB2 would not be able to come back into the game at that point, but it was already over anyway.
     
  6. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    You mean like you did in your earlier post talking about "oh, if this pass was completed" or "if this FG wasn't missed?"
     
  7. dolphin25

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    Those are simply games in December, not all games played in December are important. Games in December played going for the playoff are, games simply played in December are not.

    2014 Denver game was in NOVEMBER, not quite December, but nice try.

    2013 Pats had division clinched. Win one of the last 2 games and we are in playoffs, Tannehill was horrible BOTH of those games.

    Keep on trying, hopefully this year you will be right.
     
  8. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he could have been activated at that point.
     
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  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    You did good. Glad one person was able to handle his post.

    It is cool you are positive in all regards. It is also cool he has legit reasons to think otherwise. We all want to believe everything is perfect and the corner has been turned.
     
  10. Rocky Raccoon

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    LOL! You cannot be serious. The only reason those last two games in 2013 mattered was because we WON the previous three December games. All games in which Tannehill played well. What exactly is the difference between those 3 December 2013 games and this past game against Baltimore?

    You can't disregard them as "not important" because they don't fit your anti-Tannehill agenda.
     
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  11. SICK

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    No. Once he was announced at 1130am to be one of our inactives he was ineligible to play that game. Even if our QBs got hurt, we'd have to roll with Landry or someone else as emergency qb.
     
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  12. dolphin25

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    He did play well in those 3 wins, but it was losses also by other teams that got the team in the position to be in the playoffs. Win one and you are in, he was horrible. Those were playoff type games just like now.
     
  13. dolphin25

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    If that was the most critical game of the year. Which game honestly do you think was the biggest game of the year so far for the Dolphins?

    These next 2 will be critical too, I hope you are correct and he is super awesome.
     
  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I saw it. I don't agree the same way I didn't agree with you that the Ravens would be a pushover, but I'm not going to change your mind and I hope you're right so why try?
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Aqua - to respond to your post since you seem upset I didn't:

    I think you are completely overlooking the Cardinals based on record. Yes the road trip is difficult and they have had a rough year. But boy did they look sharp against the Redskins. Much more reliable to judge teams off most recent performances in my opinion than to just look at record. Miami just **** the bed defensively and Arizona just shredded the skins. Let's hope the trip across country takes the wind out of their sails.

    And the Jets - yeah they are awful. But if you think a division rival isn't going to play Miami tough in their house and wouldn't relish chance to play spoiler that's a mistake I think.

    Buffalo and New England - nuff said.

    Like I said though I want you to be right.
     
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  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    9-7 would be not a bad season, no argument here but in the context of current standings it will be disappointing for fans but big picture not too bad. Jets should be an easy win but I keep remembering how Cleveland was supposed to be an easy win too, and if this team regresses to where they were at the beginning of the season they could lose to anyone, especially on the road.
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    We didn't have an offensive line in Cleveland or the following two games, so it's almost hard as a fan to count those three at all. It's sad to think that if we didn't have so many problems there in that stretch, we could easily be 9-3 right now instead of our current record. And don't even get me started on Seattle....17 points missed/dropped and we lose by 2.
     
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  18. Finster

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    None of this is the question though, I'm not concerned with what QBs on other teams are doing, I'm concerned about our QB.

    So the real question is, how much did RT have to do with his own play in the biggest game of the year?

    This is what has always concerned me most about RT, I've said this before, that I'd live with his faults if he was a money player, and so far he has showed up small in every one of these opportunities.
     
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  19. adamprez2003

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    So he's a groupie?
     
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  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    You have to figure in that the Jets and Bills are division rivals though.

    I know the Jets aren't good, but they're not going to look as bad as they did last night when we come to town. They hate us and they're going to be out for revenge and out to ruin our season. That game won't be easy and I expect them to throw everything they can at us. Similar to 2014 on that Monday night where it was a similar situation. We won (and Tannehill came up clutch by the way) but that game was hard fought and we trailed for practically the entire game until the 2:00 warning.

    As for the Bills, they're a decent team and the same applies even if they are out of it. They're going to want to ruin our season as well.

    Back to back division games on the road in cold weather is a TOUGH situation for us. Divisional road games are always difficult no matter what the records are, and when the home team figures out they have an opportunity to ruin a rival's season, it gets even more challenging.

    I think every single one of these last four games are going to be hard to win, but I'm excited to see what our guys can do.
     
  21. KeyFin

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    I can't believe I'm letting myself get suckered into another RT conversation, but I think it's important for someone to say it- Tannehill looked different after that Parker pick. His accuracy was off from that point forward and he took a few sacks that could have been easily avoided. In short, he regressed back to his 2012 form and never really recovered....unless he did so in the final 6 minutes (that's where I turned the game off).

    So to me personally, this week's game is the biggest of Tannehill's career for a number of reasons. Now that he's had his low point for 2016, I am very anxious to see how he responds and which QB ultimately shows up. Will it be the gunslinger that fearlessly attacks downfield? Or will it be the game manager who throws screen passes and check-downs? Most importantly, how will he handle pressure? I think the answer will speak volumes to whether or not he's our franchise quarterback.
     
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  22. Finster

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    Lol, oh no you don't, I've got a 1987 325is rally edition.

     
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  23. Rock Sexton

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    You're not underestimating or knee jerking about anything.

    This time of the year is the stretch run. You've got big time AFCE road games and one massive one vs. the Pats (assuming we're still relevant). Then you have the two games vs. Baltimore/Cards where both teams are fighting for their own playoff hopes and positioning.

    These are the games the define the 2016-2017 Miami Dolphins.
     
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  24. SICK

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    I am worried about the Jets game as well.

    That crowd will be loud (they hate the Dolphins)....they will be rowdy (Saturday night game-all day/evening to drink while tailgating)...and they always come up to fight us no matter the record/team/qb/coach/anything.

    I can see Bryce Petty dinking and dunking on our defense if we don't get pressure like the Ravens game. Matt Forte was running/receiving all over us last game (We needed a KO return to win at home btw) and they stopped giving him the ball in some stupid idiot Jets fashion.

    But firstly, the Cardinals terrify me. Look at their stats. Their team numbers. Carson Palmers game last week. Counting on things like west coast/east coast travel, week ago history, and other things is pointless. When the game starts if we come out flat, and they come out driving down our defenses throat, we might crumble after such a deflating loss last week.

    Buffalo and New England are scary. Buffalo has been playing great, take what I said about the jets fans and do the same thing but on steroids for the Buffalo fans. They'll be wasted drunk (Christmas eve and a Saturday), they'll be loud.....and even worse they may have even MORE to root for other than spoiling our season.....they may be playing for a back door playoff chance.

    This will be one of the toughest 4 game stretch in recent history, to think otherwise is entirely overestimating our team, and being way too overly optimistic imo!
     
  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Perfectly said, especially the part about the Bills fans. They don't need a holiday or playoffs to get extra drunk or rowdy. Just check out Deadspin to see what those fans are up to. I think you have all heard my rap on Bills fans at Ralph Wilson. I'm from Western New York originally, and I'm well versed on their bizarre behaviors. I call it down syndrome by beer. Zombified fans running around in Carhartt's and Bills mittens with, glassed over red beady eyes, tongues hanging out of their skulls screaming, "BIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLSSSSSS!!!!" If you make eye contact, you're done for.

    Anyway, I hope I'm wrong but I've never been more negative about a Miami Dolphins teams chances than I am in that game. You mix a Holiday + potential Bills playoff chances + Buffalo in December + Miami's December diving tendencies and my calculations come up with these odds of winning the game:

     
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  26. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Tannehill is the kind of quarterback that executes the coach's game plan to a tee. If he's dinking and dunking that is by design. If he is attacking downfield that is due to Gase. It is no reflection on Tannehill which ends up happening. Its on gase.
    As to franchise QB, whether some fans like it or not he is our franchise QB for the next four years. We aren't redoing his contract. Listen to gase's pressers. Even this last game he blamed the passing on miscommunication. We aren't drafting another QB unless its too replace doughty
     
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  27. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    A successful season is one in which you improve by 2 games yr to yr. If we go 1-3 we will achieve that. Personally I think we need to go 2-2 which would give us a 3 game improvement. Considering we had to install new systems on offense and defense and the fact that our talent level on paper says we are a 7-9, 8-8 team at best I think the season is a success already. To start demanding that we overachieve by winning 3 out of four or four out of four is insane. Granted we can hope but we have to be realistic also...hahahahaha realistic and dolphins fans. That made me laugh
     
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  28. brandon27

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    There's valid concern about December struggles. Rightfully so. Let's be honest, the Cardinals while their record doesn't show that they're a "good" team, their talent is superior to ours, especially when factoring in our injuries. Combine that with the fact that their strengths, are weaknesses of ours. I really wouldn't be surprised if is just as ugly as the Baltimore game for us. To me, that won't be an indictment on any of our players, or coaches either. It's just... it is what it is. This team just isn't built to compete/contend yet especially past the DL on defense. Arrow is pointing up though.

    As for the Jets/Bills matchups. Look, they're division games. IMO they can ALWAYS go either way. I'd expect to take one for sure, if not both of those. I'm not so worried on the Jets matchup, but I would be with the Bills. The Pats... could be interesting depending on if they have homefield wrapped up or not. We struggled early against them with Garrappolo at the helm, but roared back after he left the game. So, if Brady plays, or maybe even if Jimmy plays it might be messy, but I think we have a chance. Maybe not be a great chance, but the chance is there.

    Ultimately, I don't see what the big freak out is about. Looking back to the preseason, what did most of us peg this team at? I'd venture to guess if you were being honest with yourself it was 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 or in that range somewhere. I get the shock of the Baltimore loss after we're all flying so high on 6 straight wins, but ultimately we're right where most people projected us to be.

    That being said, I'd love to see this group take the next step a beat some teams we maybe shouldn't here. I'm not sure I'd categorize it as a December Dive though. We're just coming back to a tougher part of the schedule that might bring us back to earth really, and that's not really far off where anyone would have projected us with a new HC, new OC, new DC, and an extremely young roster at some pretty key positions, with some pretty unfortunate injuries. It sucks, I get that, but that's the reality of it.
     
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  29. KeyFin

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    I agree, I think he's virtually a lock to stick around whether he plays lights out over these last four games or not. I was referring more to my personal opinion of him and what I'd like to see. I've said for years now that I think all of Tannehill's faults are mental errors; he gets shaken and that competitive edge disappears.
     
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  30. SICK

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    Monday nights suck. You work that day and the day after, not comparable IMO to a Saturday night game, with all day to party and all day tomorrow to sleep in. That crowd will be nuts.
     
  31. adamprez2003

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    Yeah. I wouldn't categorize it as shaken as I would frustrated. I think when he gets frustrated, bad oline blocking, receivers not running correct routes, drops, penalties he has a tendency to give up on a sack (like that roll out sack) or press his passes (Like that second interception). But what I like about him is he's almost always the last guy to throw in the towel. The team really has to suck for most of the game before it gets to him
     
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  32. jdang307

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    No. Only if the plan is tailored to what Tanny is limited to.

    But I agree they're not replacing him unless a Dak is found in the later rounds somehow. We're not drafting high for one this year.
     
  33. iamtiv

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    "Ryan Tannehill has a losing record as a starting QB, here. Pointing to individual performances sort of highlights the fact that, as a whole, he hasn't been successful. He is owed $18 million dollars next year. It is prohibitive to adding players in other locations. Maybe that is fine. But then again, it may cripple this franchise even further."

    This is what I've been referring to. I'm not saying Tannehill is overpaid, because the numbers say that he's clearly not overpaid for an NFL starting QB......but....

    Considering how bad that contract hampers our cap situation, Tannehill would need to show that he can win games practically by himself to overcompensate for how little we can upgrade the roster because of his cap-hit. It's unlikely that we're going to be more talented next year unless our draft picks are all home runs. I think Pouncey is done after this season because what's the point of paying him to play in only 4-5 games a year? Also, if Albert has any luck at all it's bad luck. Every year that guy gets a flukey injury that could happen to any player regardless of health.
    Either way, many of Miami's flaws will remain flaws for much of 2017 until our draft picks start to learn the NFL and earn starting spots and impact games.
    The other way to go is cut Tannehill, use the money to upgrade the defense and offensive line, maybe TE, too. Then, we're looking at Matt Moore and Doughty and some kid we draft. With a better running game and better defense, we probably wind up being as good or better than what we are with Tannehill this year.

    I'm sure some of you will tell me how I'm wrong.
     
  34. 54Fins

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    Preparation was the downfall of the team last week. Can't fully put the blame on the O side, but I can certainly say Vance (or whomever) had no idea what was coming.As in other games during the season,adjustments at half looked pretty good, not this time. Also Vance seemed to play the same coverage in game too...that's a problem when you can't make calls on the fly.
     
  35. cbrad

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    For me, it really depends on what we see in the last 4 games this year. If we miss the playoffs and Tannehill is at best average when it really counts (and that started with the Ravens game) then what you're saying is really worth considering. If on the other hand we make the playoffs, then even if he's average I'd stick with him but draft a QB in the mid rounds. Of course if he steps up and plays great then we've found our QB and this is a non-issue.
     
  36. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I think if Tannehill fails to perform in December once again, this is the approach Miami needs to take. He has shown enough where it would be crazy to invest high in a QB. But to draft a Dak / Kirk Cousin / Russell Wilson type prospect in mid round to push him and add a little competition? That's the ticket. Of course, those prospects turning into the mentioned guys is a rare find. But not as rare as it once was. There was a time when Drew Brees and Tom Brady were the only non rnd 1 elite QBs you could talk about. Its becoming a larger group now. I think this has to do with QB being easier to play in today's NFL than it was post 2005 NFL.
     
  37. Fin-O

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    My guess is Ryan sticks around with a restructered deal. We NEED some wiggle room and that 20M cap hit should be reduced by future incentives and that could be a good thing for both parties.
     
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  38. KeyFin

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    If you could guarantee me that we'd dump Tannehill and hire a top 5 MLB, a top 10 corner and a top 10 lineman to replace Albert, then I'd agree to that in a heartbeat. But there are no guarantees in free agency and even if there were, you don't gamble your franchise quarterback like that. Now, I think Moore is good enough to play the game manager role and I have always loved his aggressive play (for better or for worse), but that's a short term solution that could set us back another 5-10 years.

    It's just not worth it given Tannehill's slightly above-average performance and amazing durability.
     
  39. Vinny Fins

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    we win sunday.

    I have no basis for this.

    they have a better roster.

    But we win sunday.
     
  40. adamprez2003

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    Vinny gets it. This is what a true fan sound like
     

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