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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Ray Finkle

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    Listening to the newest Ric Flair podcast and he mentioned a match that he'd like to see at WM is Triple H vs. Shane McMahon. I think I'd actually be more interested in that than Triple H vs. Rollins. He also mentioned Brock vs. Goldberg, Cena vs. Undertaker and Charlotte vs. Rhonda Rousey as other matches he wanted to see.

    So to piggyback on the Nature Boy's card, filling out the rest of the card I'd go with Owens vs. Jericho for the Universal Title, AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe for the WWE Title, The Shield vs. New Day, and Orton vs. Bray Wyatt.
     
  2. SICK

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    Eh Shield v ND would be unreal....face faction V face faction would be tough at WM
     
  3. Ray Finkle

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    I feel like New Day as faces have been running its course. I'd turn them heel with them claiming no team can beat them and they're the best 3 man faction ever for a few weeks. Then finally when they're in the ring together cue The Shield music and boom there you go.
     
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  4. Samphin

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    New Day has been heeling it up, subtly for a few weeks now. I do think that they are doing a slow burn towards them switching back to being heels. I don't know if you tie up Ambrose, Rollins and Reigns into a tag match at WM, but I would be all for it.
     
  5. Samphin

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    Nakamura beat Joe for the NXT title over in Japan.
     
  6. Vertical Limit

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    So did anyone watch TLC? Was so busy all weekend and i missed out. Was looking forward to becky vs alexa which is probably the best feud in smackdown atm. Read that becky lost
     
  7. SICK

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    It was a real fun, albeit short, ppv. Ambrose/Styles brought the ****ing house down, over a 30 min match involving stunts, big spots, and fantastic wrestling.

    Beck/Bliss was fun! Good match, great win for Bliss....happy for her.

    Wyatt/Orton won the tag titles. Wyatts (surprising) first championship of any kind in WWE. They teased a brush up between he and Harper, and it looks like they may "all three" be tag champs, like how new day does it.

    Corbin/Kalisto I left the room for.

    Ellsworth turning on Ambrose was surprising, yet a nice twist. Ambrose took a huge spot through two tables from the ladder in the ring to the outside.

    No surprise returns, no big twists....Taker was rumored, and chanted for a couple times during main event, but obviously never showed.

    Part of me felt they had other things planned but scrapped them last second, since the event was ending really early...however Dean/Styles went real long, but was welcomed....again, it was great ring work from them both.
     
  8. Ray Finkle

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    For a B show PPV I have no issues with the PPV being short. I'd actually prefer them to be 2 hours, 2 hours 15 max. Let the big PPVs be 3 hours so they feel special.

    I kind of watched the PPV between doing stuff, it seemed fine. Nothing terrible, nothing special. I think the Ellsworth turn was pretty obvious but hard to argue with AJ still being champion and it's not like Ambrose really had a shot in that match anyway.
     
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  9. Samphin

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    Kalisto vs. Corbin was surprisingly good. Very creative spots and usage of the chairs.

    Miz vs. Dolph was good. It is time for them to move into new areas, but there were some nice spots in that one and the right guy went over, I thought.

    Alexa vs. Becky was good. That spot where Alexa DDT's Becky on the backside of the table looked brutal for Alexa since her back landed on the support beams of the table.

    Nikki vs. Carmella was good, as was Wyatts vs. Beauty & The Man-Beast. Not a bad match on the show, actually.

    AJ Styles almost went full GOATSE with his pants ripping right at thee skin tunnel area, but luckily, nothing fell out...literally.

    His springboard 450 splash to the outside, through a table was insanity. Best spot of the night.

    Ellsworth explained his actions on Talking Smack and it sort of makes sense, in a delusional type of way. Basically, he didn't "turn" on Ambrose, as he sees it, as much as he gave himself the best chance at winning the World Title by ensuring that Styles is still champ. His thought process is that he beat AJ three times already and has his number, so is stands to reason that he would want to face AJ, again. Daniel Bryan and Renee Young tried to explain to him that he only won because of Dean, but Ellsworth doesn't see it that way. Besides, when he wins the title, he will give Dean the first shot since they "go way back."

    As for the length of the show, I think this has sort of been the norm now, right? The PPVs that aren't the big 4, go a little bit less than three hours due to thinned out rosters. I am with Ray, in that I like it better. Keep the card tight and with quality segments, as opposed to giving out that time to an undeserving feud, wrestler, etc.
     
  10. Ray Finkle

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    I didn't see Talking Smack but it's stuff like this that drive me crazy about the WWE. That Ellsworth explanation and storyline is pretty freaking good and it makes sense too. I don't understand how on the same show the WWE writing staff and come up with that storyline but can't even give us a logical explanation as to why Orton is now with Bray Wyatt outside of the same old "if you can't beat him, join him" nonsense.

    Again I will stress the WWE has a Network Library of thousands of hours of old wrestling footage, why not have their writers go back and watch some of the memorable angles and reuse them or at least "borrow" some stuff from them.
     
  11. Samphin

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    The Orton/Wyatt thing doesn't make much sense because I think it is supposed to payoff with Orton "shockingly" turning on the Wyatts, ala Daniel Bryan from a few years back. However, I am almost wondering if that plan was scrapped in favor of seeing where this team organically goes? Because I don't know what logic Randy's motives could be, if he wins the tag titles with them. A little too far down the rabbit hole, at this point.

    I will say, that the tension between Miz and Bryan seems palpable, and I really hope they can pay it off. I fear they won't, however, and I will be disappointed. I like the idea of the feud continuing into The Royal Rumble where Bryan either causes a distraction, to force Miz to get eliminated, or even better, announces a bounty for whatever superstar can eliminate Miz, and when it happens, Miz can go ballistic.

    Would love to see it culminate at Wrestlemania is an IC gauntlet match, where Bryan forces Miz to wrestle up to five matches, in order to retain the title. The participants? All former IC Champions and would be revealed as Miz beats each one, in this order:

    1: Zack Ryder
    2: Kane
    3: Honky Tonk Man
    4: Dolph Ziggler
    and
    5: Daniel Bryan

    Now, obviously I know it won't happen, but it would be an awesome (sorry) way to keep building that feud and the IC title, as well as work in a lot of guys into a Wrestlemania segment, and be a different type of match than what we are used to seeing at WM, these days.
     
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  12. SICK

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    Don't you dare tickle my balls like that. Bryan being the 5th and final "Big boss" for Miz would be incredible, and if hes only cleared for one match, imagine the ****ing heat MIZ would get for going over DB? and If he's cleared for more than one, DB can win of course, and hopefully do the open challenge stuff giving us dream matches like Nakamura when he eventually moves us, AJ Styles down the line etc....


    Jesus you just gave me chills imagining DB being back....ugh
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    I kind of like the Bray/Orton pairing. It makes Bray seem more important because he's with Orton. I do think that Bray as a babyface could be a big deal, although I worry the WWE might have waited too long to pull that trigger.

    Cool idea with Bryan and Miz, but I'm not sure it would work with Bryan as the baby face and Miz as the heel. Especially if Bryan could wrestle Miz, why have him wrestle 4 guys before Bryan? But it's that outside the box thinking that they might as well try. I think it would work better if the first 4 guys are jokes ala Honky Tonk Man/Santino types and the 5th is Nakamura or some bad *** like Connor McGregor who the WWE is reportedly trying to sign.
     
  14. Samphin

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    Miz is starting to elicit a babyface reaction, so you COULD try to flip flop the two and have Bryan go heel, although that might be a tough sell considering that Daniel Bryan is still the most over guy in the entire company, despite being retired.

    The idea wouldn't work with McGregor, in my opinion, mainly because he is such a big star, that you would need to hype his debut into the WWE to the gills, and not use him as a surprise. Nakamura could work, if you ditch the "former IC champions" premise. Although, I think Samoa Joe has a better shot of being on WM than Nakamura, at this point.

    I also am thinking that Royal Rumble should be the jumping off point for a lot of WM programs, if they do it right. I will book my own WM card before the end of the year and post, if you guys want.
     
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  15. SICK

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    I am game for sure
     
  16. Samphin

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    Figured it might be best to unveil these matches, one at a time, as I start to develop my own WM card.

    To start, I would assume that Undertaker is in play for the Royal Rumble as rumors are that he will challenge AJ Styles for the WWE Championship in his home state of Texas. I would have AJ win CLEAN. A marquee victory of the living legend himself. No outside interference, minimal rule breaking and perhaps some sort of distraction that allows AJ to nail the forearm and cover the dead man.

    I would also have John Cena return at the Royal Rumble match himself, somewhere in the 20s. Announce it ahead of time so that you can promote your biggest star of the last 15 years as returning. Once his music hits, have John get into the match and unceremoniously dumped by either Brock, Goldberg, or both as those two are going at it throughout the match and causing mayhem as they go.

    With Undertaker losing in clean upset, and John Cena thrown out rather quickly in the Rumble match itself, the narrative will be that the two mega stars have lost "it" and are seemingly at a cross roads.

    Cena comes out on the Smackdown after Royal Rumble with an "announcement" about his future. As he walks to the ring, he is carrying his ring shoes (it is tradition to leave your boots in the ring when you retire). Fearing the obvious, the announcers take on a somber mood as Cena reluctantly comes to the ring, grabs a mic, and starts to make his final in-ring appearance as an active Superstar.

    And as he goes through his accomplishments and accolades, he informs the audience that he is happy with his career, happy with his life and has no regrets about anyth-

    *GONG*

    Lights go down, dry ice fills the arena and the ominous, familiar sound of The Phenom's music permeates the arena.

    Undertaker arrives with his classic entrance. Steps into the ring, removes his hat, and stares down Cena, before slowly craning his neck/head upwards, and looking at the WM sign, as the show ends.

    Following week, speculation is running rampant with whether or not Cena-Taker will happen at Wrestlemania. Cena demands the ring AGAIN, to address the rumors. At the end of the night, Cena comes to the ring, with boots in hand. States that while he gets what the UT is asking for, he simply can't do it. His time is not now, and at this time, he would like to formally announce his retirem-

    *GONG*

    UT arrives again, stares down Cena again, looks at the WM sign again, and this time...looks back and Cena and does the throat slash gesture, as Cena looks on in frustration...before grabbing UT and hitting him with a surprise Attitude Adjustment/You Can't See Me pose.

    The next week, Undertaker comes to the ring, states that while he respects John, he will not allow John to quit without doing busines the right way, and that means facing the Undertaker at Wrestlemania and putting his career on the line.

    Cena appears and says that he was content to walk away, he has accomplished everything he has ever wanted. Or at least...he thought he did. But then Undertaker crashed his retirement speech, not once, but TWICE. And it dawned on Cena that there was one thing still left to do...and that was to not only beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania, because that has already been done, but to beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania and RETIRE him.

    So Cena accepts Undertaker's invitation for Wrestlemania, under one condition, that Undertaker puts his career on the line, as well.

    Undertaker takes a second to contemplate, before agreeing himself and we now have a:

    WRESTLEMANIA XXXIII

    RETIREMENT MATCH: John Cena vs. The Undertaker (loser retires immediately)
     
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  17. SICK

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    Chills, hope this catches the attention of WWE writers haha
     
  18. SICK

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    Mickie James joining smackdown roster soon, potentially early 2017.
     
  19. Samphin

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    It's a good pick up. Veteran worker who can still go. Having her work with people like Alexa, Carmella, Naomi, etc. will do wonders for them. Not to mention being able to tear the house down with Becky and Nattie.
     
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  20. Ray Finkle

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    Reading that write up makes Undertaker losing to Brock at WM30 even dumber. Imagine a streak and career vs. career match with Cena and Taker at WM and how they would have the crowd in the palm of their hands during the whole match. Ugh.
     
  21. Samphin

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    I disagree. Brock beating Taker is something that will go down as an all-time moment. It basically made Brock for life, which, contrary to popular belief, was not the case before hand. Personally, it would have been cool to see UT remain undefeated at WM forever, but if he had to lose, losing to Brock makes the most sense, in my opinion.

    It is also why you have to raise the stakes for this match. Because beating UT at WM has already been done. But retiring UT? The concept alone is unprecedented and would need to be used in conjunction with someone who is credible to do it, ala John Cena.

    Personally, I wouldn't even know who to book to win the match, as in my head, the winner would end up retiring, as well, in a monumental send off. There is something kind of cool about UT having 25 Wrestlemania matches though. 24-1 would be an awesome way to end, even in victory.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    The WWE didn't need to make Brock for life if they didn't book him poorly in the years before that WM match with Undertaker. You had a former WWE and UFC Champion who looks like a legit monster bad *** returning to the company and the first thing they do is have him lose his first match back to Cena and then have him lose a WM match the next year to Triple H so Triple H could get his win back. All they had to do was have Brock dominate Cena in that first match back, have Brock run through Triple H at Summer Slam like he did and continue to run through the WWE roster. They had to have Brock beat Undertaker to rebuild his character because of all the damage they did to him previously.

    I completely agree with you that it was an all-time moment though. It got people talking which was the main goal. At the time I loved the decision but now it looks like a mistake because the counterargument is that the WWE could have continued to milk the streak for the past 2 years and Brock hasn't been a big enough draw to justify ending the streak now as he no long moves the ratings/buy needle anymore. The booking of Brock since WM31 has been strange to say the least, he's just not special anymore like he used to be.
     
  23. Samphin

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    I would venture to say you are in the minority regarding B rock not moving the needle. Has his act gotten a little stale? Absolutely. His offense of stalking his opponent, throwing a German Suplex, and repeating himself, has gotten to the point of boring. But I think he still piques the interest of most wrestling fans and gets WWE a lot of mainstream press still. He has been the most protected wrestler in a very long time, with his only real clean loss being the fluke-ish one against Goldberg at SS. I do think he needs to have a little bit of a re-set/refresh once his issue with Goldberg is settled at WM (most likely), and I think having him focus his attention back onto the title scene would be the best bet. Having him finally conquer and win the belt back (for the last time) at Summerslam (which appears to be his playground) and losing it cleanly to someone at Wrestlemania XXXIV in 2018, would probably be the best bet. If you don't want to have your champion absent for that long, however, you could have him win it at Survivor Series or possibly the Rumble (although that is pushing it) and build a shorter timeline to WM.

    Personally though, I think Brock is done with the WWE after this contract is up, which means him putting someone over in 2018, is the best thing they can do. And provided it is someone who is in their long term plans, it will be worth it to have Brock continue to dominate on a limited basis in order to give that rub to Seth/Roman/Owens/Whoever, when the time comes.
     
  24. SICK

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    Imagine a 45 min to 1 hour match, brutal chair shots, 2.5 kick outs, multiple finishers etc....having Taker Tombstone Cena through the ring, and they both collapse next to each other, bloody, exhausted, each with an arm draped over the other....the ref calls it a draw, they both slowly get to their feet and walk out arms around each other to a standing ovation/curtain call with the entire locker room waiting for them at the top of the stage clapping.
     
  25. Samphin

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    The next match on my Wrestlemania XXXIII card is one that we all see coming, but how we get there, will hopefully be a reason to be excited about a Wrestlemania re-match.

    At the Royal Rumble, during the Rumble match itself, Brock Lesnar will be revealed as #1 out of 30 participants. #2? The One Man Band, Heath Slater (who has kids). Lesnar steamrolls through Slater and eliminates him in quick fashion. He is pacing around the ring, waiting for Goldberg, obviously. #3 is called out and it is someone like Sin Cara. Goldberg Suplexes the luchador and sends him out to the floor, again, pacing and demanding Goldberg. #4 comes up and it is The Miz. Miz is visibly upset, not only because he drew such an early number, but because Brock Lesnar is waiting for him in the ring. Miz stalls, and takes his time on the ramp, getting into the ring and ultimately deciding to wait until #5 is called out so that he has someone to help him...

    #5 is Goldberg. The place goes nuts, Lesnar is staring him down in the middle of the ring, and Goldberg is making a beeline towards him. Caught in the middle is The Miz who is unceremoniously pushed off to the side by Goldberg as he slides into the ring. The two of them start reigning punches down on one another. Lesnar-Goldberg-Lesner-Goldberg. Just beating the crap out of each other, while The Miz watches in the corner (he finally got into the ring to avoid being DQ'd), avoiding both of them, at all costs.

    This continues with Goldberg and Lesnar focuses only on each other, while the ring starts to fill up around them. They crash into other wrestlers, knocking some down, eliminating others, unintentionally (think Superman vs. Zod where they were so focused on each other that everything else was collateral damage) until both end up tumbling over the top, to the floor, still entangled with one another. Both continue to fight on the floor, throwing referees and security guards off of them. This continues all the way to the back, while the other wrestlers in the ring stop to stare in awe, of the calamity that is unfolding before them.

    The next night on RAW, Heyman and Brock are in the ring and do their normal thing about how Brock is the best, and Goldberg one on a fluke at Survivor Series. And how the two men simply can't stand each other and that it makes Brock sick to his stomach that Goldberg has beaten Brock twice, as well as eliminated him from the Rumble. Heyman issues a Wrestlemania Challenge for Brock vs. Goldberg, with a No DQ, No Count Out stipulation.

    The next week on RAW, Goldberg accepts Paul's challenge and is interrupted by Paul, who is laughing and smiling and dumbfounded that Goldberg would accept to allow THE BEAST to roam the WWE with no rules to hold him back. Goldberg reminds him that the same could be said for Goldberg, who stalks Paul, only to be TATTOOED by a steel chair from behind by Brock Lesnar who was thought to not be in the building that night. Brock savagely beats down Bill with a chair. Suplexes him around the ring a few times. nails him with some other objects while Paul barks directions and the episode closes with Bill out on the mat, Lesnar walking to the back with Paul, and Paul assuring us all, over the next few weeks/months, that Lesnar will next be seen, at Wrestlemania, and not a second sooner.

    As we get closer to WM, you have Bill Goldberg make media apperances, tape interviews for the WWE production team to edit and use on RAW/Smackdown. Paul Heyman will speak on Brock's behalf, but you never see Brock until the night of the event, after his initial beatdown of Goldberg, a couple of weeks after RR. And you continue to show the brutality of Brock in regular matches and close with what he can do with no rules to stop him.

    And this style of match really helps hide the limitations of a 50 year old Goldberg and a somewhat lazy Lesnar, who has severely cut down his offensive arsenal over the years, while still allowing this story line to move forward of two guys who hate each other.

    WRESTLEMANIA XXXIII

    RETIREMENT MATCH: John Cena vs. The Undertaker (loser retires immediately)

    NO DQ, NO COUNT-OUT MATCH: Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg
     
  26. Samphin

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    I think you have to have a winner, though. A draw would give people the idea that another match is coming, or leave them unsatisfied if that is the ending.

    And the more I think about it, it would need to be UT. If Cena wins, the crowd completely eviscerates him and the moment is lost to give UT the awesome crowd moment where they chant.

    Undertaker winning gives the crowd a reason to pop, and then the lingering and realization that Cena's career is over, as he struggles to get to his feet, would allow the crowd to shift their focus to finally thanking John for his career. John can take off his boots, leave them in the center of the ring and soak in the adulation. At that point, you have Taker join him back in the ring, take off his own boots, place them next to John's in a symbolic gesture that he is going out, as well.

    The locker room pours out onto the stage at this point. Wrestlers, referees, agents, even Vince McMahon himself, to give both guys a standing ovation and welcome them to the back, as the crowd continues to thank them for their time.

    But I think you have to have a winner.
     
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  27. SICK

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    I like it. Book it
     
  28. Samphin

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    I did!

    Well...I did on here, anyway.

    I am sure the WWE is scanning the sub-forum of a Miami Dolphins message board for ideas, right?
     
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    Vince McMahon probably still thinks we are in the AFL
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    I'm pretty sure Meltzer and others in the know have stated that since around the time Brock won the title that he hasn't done much to move ratings or buys, especially in the past year even when the WWE announces Brock will be at RAW the rating doesn't reflect that he has much impact. Around the time he resigned the time was about how it probably wasn't worth it for the WWE to be paying him that much money with such a limited schedule when the contract won't justify how much he brings in.

    Something that I didn't mention in my previous post is that Brock ending the streak with Undertaker had no pay off. Brock wasn't used to put over a new star to give him the rub or anything like that. It was business as usual so there wasn't any benefit to that. Which is kind of what you were saying in your last point about him putting over a Rollins/Owens or whoever.
     
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    I think the payoff is forthcoming. At some point, Brock will put over one of the stalwarts of the WWE and (hopefully) make that person the way that he was made.
     
  32. Samphin

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    The next match will be for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

    After defeating the Undertaker cleanly at The Royal Rumble, AJ Styles is feeling himself like no other. After debuting at the Royal Rumble the year before, he is now the Champ That Runs The Camp, The Face That Runs The Place, etc. Beating the likes of John Cena, Dean Ambrose and even the Phenom himself, The Undertaker.

    As he celebrates his triumph at The Royal Rumble, he informs the person interviewing him that he doesn't care who wins The Rumble, because whoever it is, wants no part of AJ Styles.

    The RR match is humming right along, Goldberg-Brock are doing their Godzilla vs. King Kong routine around the ring, before the are ultimately eliminated.

    With them gone, the ring starts to fill up again, a renewed hope arises in the remaining superstars as they know that the two biggest dogs in the yard are now out of the match. As is draws towards it's conclusion, we are at #25 and the crowd waits in anticipation to see who it is.

    The familiar aggressive guitar chords of Lemmy echo throughout the arena and we see HHH, geared up, ready to take his shot at reclaiming the thrown, one last time. He enters the ring, throws rights and lefts throughout. Eliminates a wrestler or two and sulks in the adulation from the fans as he is a house on fire.

    As he is soaking in, the countdown is on and #26 is

    HERE COMES THE MONEYYYYYYYYYYY, here comes the money!

    Shane McMahon has entered the Royal Rumble! HHH is confused and incredulous that his brother in-law is coming to the ring. Shane gets in, does his dances an feet shuffling, while HHH stands there asking him what he is doing there.

    And just as it looks like the two are going to square off, they instead, go after the other combatants that have risen to their feet. Fighting away from each other, but seemingly together.

    The match continues and we are to #30, the last entrant. HHH gave the last spot in the Rumble to one of his own!

    The sound of Godzilla is heard, and the graphics show the SJ coming into focus. It is NXT superstar, Samoa Joe!

    He enters the ring and immediately helps his boss, HHH eliminate a couple of wrestlers who has Hunter on the ropes. He muscle busts another wrestler before disposing of him and when he turns around, he notices that the last three superstars left are himself, HHH and Shane O' Mac.

    HHH gathers himself and huddle sup with his NXT prize fighter. They are obviously going to team up to eliminate Shane. To this point, despite the multiple teases, HHH/Shane have not yet had an altercation within the Rumble, and as Joe and HHH walk towards Shane to deliver the beatdown...

    ...Joe grabs HHH by the neck and trunks and tosses him to the outside!

    WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!

    HHH is stunned! Shane McMahon looks confused! Joe looks angry (as usual)!

    Joe slowly turns his attention back to Shane, who pulls himself up from the corner and cautiously approaches Joe in the center of the ring. He squares up and delivers a...

    ...handshake...?

    Joe accepts the gesture and then Shane eliminates himself to give Samoa Joe the win.

    What the hell just happened?!?!?!

    HHH is steamed as he connects the dots between Shane and Joe. Shane is all smiles as he re-enters the ring with a Smackdown Live! t-shirt that he hands to Joe, and raises his hand.

    The heist of the decade is now revealed.

    Shane has taken Samoa Joe from NXT, and more importantly, taken him from HHH.

    The next Tuesday on SD, Shane and Joe explain why they did it. Joe knows he is the best wrestler today, and he knows he can beat AJ Styles, because he has done it for years. In fact, he plans to 1-up AJ's incredible 2016 debut by doing everything AJ did, but better. Step one is complete as he enters the RR and WINS IT. Step two is to go to Wrestlemania and WIN his match (unlike AJ who lost to Jericho) and step three...beat AJ Styles in the process.

    Shane, meanwhile, explains that he made the deal to ensure that Smackdwon Live has the bragging rights to the winner of the Royal Rumble, as well as the Main Event at Wrestlemania.

    Shane doesn't care who wins between Joe and Styles, because in the end, it benefits SD, and that is what he is concerned about. And with that, the match is set:

    WRESTLEMANIA XXXIII

    RETIREMENT MATCH: John Cena vs. The Undertaker (loser retires immediately)

    NO DQ, NO COUNT-OUT MATCH: Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg

    WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP: AJ Styles (c) vs. SAMOA JOE


    (care to venture a guess as to the next match?)
     
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    Kevin Owens and......Sami Zayne? Maybe a payoff with Jericho?
     
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    I hope so. In a perfect world that pay off would have been Roman Reigns at WM31 but yeah.
     
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    I think it has to be Owens vs. Jericho just to pay off their angle. As much as I love a good Owens vs. Zayn match I feel like those two need to stay away from each other so fans don't get sick of their match ups ala Orton vs. Cena.
     
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    Chris Hero coming back to WWE. Dude has been fantastic in the indies. Very well known, CM Punk wanted Hero to be "Reigns" In the Shield with Ambrose and Rollins. Will be interesting to see what they do with him at NXT.
     
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    Hopefully him coming in means he's replacing someone (Joe, Nakamura or Rhode).
     
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    Interesting piece. Why do they keep WWE studios running? Such a waste of money for absolute dog **** movies. Doesn't make since financially....so I don't get it
     
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    And HHH quick to the point lol

     

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