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Ryan Tannehill out for season!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you are way off here, I don't see a single post alluding to that. Most fans in a playoff run are going to be disappointed when the starter, who was playing well , gets hurt and the back up has to get us in the playoffs. I can't imagine a single fan , Tannehill supporter or not, hoping he does poorly.


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  2. bakedmatt

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    You have it perfectly backwards, sir.
     
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  3. bakedmatt

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    Do you think Matt Moore led the team to a comeback win or not?
     
  4. Hoops

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    must have me confused with someone else

    first time on a message board
     
  5. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Whatever the way you want to play it is fine by me, Welcome aboard [emoji6]


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  6. SICK

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    :huh:
     
  7. Two Tacos

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    A comeback is a specific thing. You have to be losing, and then comeback to win. Winning after being tied is not a comeback. Moore had an outstanding game winning drive, not a comeback. I don't understand the confusion.

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  8. bakedmatt

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    You'll have to take this up with dolphin25.
     
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  9. Big Phin

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    I hope Tannehill has a full recovery and is ready to ball sooner than later.


    MM is a solid backup to have. Hopefully, he'll be good over the next 3 and other guys step up.
     
  10. Vertical Limit

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    That was a pretty disgusting hit.

    We will see how long itll take to recover, an injury in mid december is a lot different than an injury in September..

    You are pretty much forced to draft a quarterback or sign a free agent for insurance
     
  11. Finster

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    Yes, technically it's a game winning drive, not a comeback.

    Either way though, he came in off the bench and scored when we needed it to secure a victory.
     
  12. KeyFin

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    Moore played well, so I'm not sure why we're getting so caught up on terminology here. He only threw one pass before that final drive since we tried to grind out the clock with the run game; there's not more he could have done under the circumstances.

    And yes, it wasn't a perfect pass to Stills but the defender wasn't looking- that was smart to let your receiver make a play.
     
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  13. bigballa2102

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    even though my tannehill liking wasn't that high, I still hate the fact this happened to him it was dirty and unreal how that's not a penalty, he deserved his chance to win and keep his job, he came back after the A$$ whooping from the ravens and responded well against AZ.

    Matt moore is solid QB and if we keep running the ball we should be fine, moore has came in in a good spot he will get the jets as a warm up and then 2 contests in buffalo and NE, and I think NE rests its players if they win tonight against the ravens.

    What we have to do is accept the mistakes moore is going to make I just hope he keeps them to a minimum, I really see stills and parker benefiting from this because moore likes to throw the ball down the field a little more than RT (sometimes not in the best situations) so I hope the tune up game in the jets he gets his rhythm.

    So what do we do now with tannehill? keep him and his contract or draft a qb?
     
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  14. Finster

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    Watch the O look different with Moore at the helm, less dink and dunk play, more attacking downfield.

    I think the RT era in Miami is over, based on what Gase has been saying, I think he's come to the conclusion that RT isn't the answer, I don't think RT was able to run his O the way he wants.

    The way to see if this is true is to see how the O goes from here on out, if the O all of a sudden seems to expand in the next couple games, then you won't see RT in a Dolphins uni again.
     
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  15. Brasfin

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    What has Gase been saying that led you to that conclusion? :huh:
     
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  16. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And if the offense goes south the next three games then what? I think you are way off here. Pretty sure RT was coming back next season, based on what Gase has been saying, Really not much debate. Will be rooting like hell for Matt to excel and lead us to victories, but if anyone thinks we are better off with Moore.....I think they are sadly mistaken and bias is clouding their eyes.
     
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  17. dolphin25

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    That was my bad, I should have said, game winning drive.
     
  18. resnor

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    I don't think anyone wants that. I'd love to see Moore play well, and get us into the playoffs.

    I don't see it happening, though. That prayer lob he threw to Stills is going to get picked more often than not. I think people have forgotten his penchant for turnovers.
     
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  19. dolphin25

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    What if it doesn't?
     
  20. Finster

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    Well, It's true it wasn't a comeback win, I was just trying clear terminology up, so that semantics is not a part of it, it was a game winning drive not a comeback.

    MM made a couple crisp throws, that one to Stills though, it was either a very good underthrow, or just a poor throw, lol, but it was the perfect time to throw an underthrow pass, when the DB is "chasing" like that, if the DB is "sticking" then an underthrow is a bad idea.

    For the sake of argument we can give him the benefit of the doubt I think.
     
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  21. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Then great for Matt Moore and this team. I am not getting it?? Then we keep Moore for next season as a back up to RT. Any other conclusion, no matter how hard you try or wish, is silliness. Do you or anybody else think we are in a better position with Moore right now? seriously? Your obvious dislike for Tannehill has clouded your mind.
     
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  22. bigballa2102

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    I don't think we are better, but I certainly don't feel we are "much worse" with moore!!
     
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  23. Dolphins Dad

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    His last 3 starts resulted in 6 turnovers, all losses. That's why they drafted Tannehill the next year.
     
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  24. bigballa2102

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    im sure it was an under throw, but that's to be expected for not taking any practice snaps to know stills speed and sitting in rain all game lol just glad it worked out.
     
  25. LI phinfan

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    I am just afraid of his lack of mobility. Hopefully he cuts down on the turnovers and hits some big plays...been our recipe for winning this season
     
  26. Hoops

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    there's gonna be less freedom at the los for the qb

    less ability to check out and audible more whatever gase calls we go with cause gase isn't gonna trust matt moore enough to do it any other way

    nor should he

    about the only real freedom I expect is the run pass option stuff where the qb counts the box

    zone read more hand it off to the back regardless. less move the pocket work more stress on the o line in the run game given no threat at the qb position to run the ball with. teams could care less about matt moore keeping it on the zone read

    if you put the game in matt moores hands to win it with solid reads and decision making you are going to lose. and he has scattershot underneath accuracy to boot in addition to takes bad sacks at bad times and throws the ball into coverage. throws the ball without clarity

    better hope you can rely on the run game and play action
     
  27. bigballa2102

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    I think his decision making is a little faster than RT, weather its a good decision or not, I am ok with a few turnovers if he's trying deep balls, but I certainly feel we are not a sinking ship.
     
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  28. Finster

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    Gase has been scaling back the plays, he said it again this week that he was going to further scale down the plays, and that he was going to rely on Ajayi a lot, and not let up on running, and he even said run more than usual.

    Reading between the lines, this is not trusting the QB, this is the way to take away the QB's impact, not a thing traditionally seen with franchise QBs.

    So if the O starts to expand in the next couple weeks, that will tell me my theory is true.
     
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  29. RealDolphinsFan2

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    Fair, and imo, you know absolutely nothing about this team or football in general.
     
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  30. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you think its the end of the Tannehill era in Miami,barring a much worse diagnosis on his knee? Do you see just a slight drop off from Tannehill to Moore? or as some have suggested just as good or better?
     
  31. Hoops

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    it's a major drop off. like when the cards went from carson palmer to drew Staunton. it's a season ceiling changer. regardless of what happens these next 3 weeks at this point forward 2016 is window dressing.

    tannehill will be back in 2017 barring career ender type mri results. they will pick up that option by the 5th day of the new league year when it comes due. bank on it
     
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  32. bigballa2102

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    RT very rarely audibles I don't think gase trusted RT fully which is why there were so many play actions and short quick passes. He does throw the ball into coverage a little to much for my liking, but RT takes horrible sacks and his accuracy isn't the greatest all the time deep or short. I don't see that much of a fall off between moore and RT. Except for the fact that RT has had 6 months with the starters and Moore is going to have a week that's were the major fall off starts, gauging someone's speed like stills only comes from reputation in practice, I just hope they can figure it out sooner rather than later.

    I hope moore can get in rhythm quick, the jets game should help him but we need to feed ajayi, and what I think will happen is jets and buffalo will stack the box to stop ajayi so moore needs to get in sync w landy parker and stills quick.
     
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  33. SICK

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    How can you possibly come to that conclusion, at all?
     
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  34. RealDolphinsFan2

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    For the exact same reasons he thinks Suh isn't an elite dt, he's an idiot and likes to stir up s***. Simple as that.
     
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  35. SICK

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    Sowhat about 3rd and medium (5-7 yards) and Gase dials up deep throws from RT? How is that scaling back things for him? Gase is just calling his offense.
     
  36. Hoops

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    work more vertical concepts with matt moore. he can't throw it in the ocean underneath. if you make him go away from his primary and work thru progressions he will throw the ball into coverage

    this is an easy qb to exploit if you can stop the run. very easy. needs to be able to rely on play action and simple route concepts and reads. doesn't read leverage or coverage at tannehills level. also doesn't look off coverage like tanny which means more guys jumping routes and balls. something that pretty much never happens with tannehill cause he has such solid eye discipline in his drops etc and holds safeties. matt moore will be looking at his intentions in his drops even. you want to get away with it you better do it off pa so they can't set him up with bait looks
     
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  37. LI phinfan

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    Are you really surprised by a few posters take on the situation this morning?? Lol, Hell no!.. expected. Matt Moore for MVP!!!! Hope he plays lights out


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  38. Rocky Raccoon

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    LOL. I'm not even going to bother with all the other nonsense in this post, but you are aware that Tannehill is top 10 in both YPA and air yards, right? The deep game has not only been there, but it's been stellar.
     
  39. resnor

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    That conclusion is come to by ignoring the things Gase has said, like Tannehill and the playcalling being handcuffed by other offensive players not knowing the offense, and instead, "reading between the lines."

    "Reading between the lines" = twisting reality to fit a preconceived notion. Anyone who truly believes Gase is going to expand the playbook with Moore is taking crazy pills.
     
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  40. Hoops

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    also take away a lot of the coverage reads that moore has to make pre snap by using motion. he's not gonna be checking out much anyways under gase at the los so make the reads easier for him pre snap by using motion to limit his misreads from pre set looks

    yes it's gonna limit what you can do but again do not put the game in this qbs hands decision making wise

    play action and motion which id's man vs zone
     

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