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Why You Should Believe in Matt Moore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. SICK

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    Landry can do that too, I think these guys will enjoy the opportunities for sure, if the weather cooperates.
     
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  2. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Hating on the guy? hoping for him to fail? how many more times do I need to say I want him to succeed, I will be cheering my *** off for him, he is a great backup and a great teammate etc etc? its been atleast 5 times now lol.

    Im just curious as to how if this guy is football god incarnate hidden away in a nacho libre look alike, why has no one ever given him the light of day as a full blown starter then? Perhaps his ceiling and potential aren't anywhere near what you think they are. This guy had numerous QB battles he could have won and didn't

    Also I dont buy the whole narrative that coaches were 'pressured' to start Tannehill over him. Thats such BS. Coaches and fans were fine starting Garrard and letting RT sit, why wouldnt they have been fine with letting Moore start and RT sit if everyone was sooo enamored with him? The reasoning for sitting RT was that he was raw and a bit of a project, yet he still got picked to start over Moore. lol. it doesn't seem like there are that many people who think as highly of him as you do. Someone over the last 9 years would have had to have seen something and jumped on it.
     
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  3. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    but is isn't a slap in the face when you dog me for liking Doughty?
     
  4. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't Matt Moore have a winning record as a starting QB?

    I don't worry about the INT's, I do have a concern about the fumbles.
     
  5. SICK

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    13-12? I said mediocre record...
     
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  6. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Curious as to why not, seeing as how over his career he has thrown just about 1 pick for every TD he's thrown, and if im not mistaken several really ugly pick 6s
     
  7. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Wait, so we shouldn't trust what was actually reported nor what was shown on HK, as you have the ingredients to the secret sauce and know what really went on...

    C'mon key, you're better than that. Philbin was gold plated in 2012 and 2013. He was hired directly by Ross and could start anyone he wanted. Ireland handed him Moore, Garrard (Philbin's chosen guy), and Tannehill, who was drafted #8 not #11. As DJ pointed out, Tannehill was and remains the most physically and intellectually talented QB on the roster.

    Carolina watched Moore take 28 sacks in 22 total games, fumble the ball 8 times, and thrown 16 TDs to 17 INTs. His rating was 73 there. John Fox wasn't that far removed from taking them to the playoffs in 2008 with an 12-4 record.

    While here Moore had some decent games, and personally I'd have been fine with starting him in 2012 and sitting Tannehill for a season or 2, but Moore couldn't even beat out Chad Henne. It took injury to Henne before Moore could play for us and in his first 4 games he threw 1 TD and 4 INTs while completing less than 60% of his passes. He was terrible until about the 5th game.

    Now I totally agree on Philbin's incompetence. He got by on the coat tails of McCarthy in Green Bay and the work of Darrell Bevell, who coached Favre and Rodgers. Philbin was pretty much McCarthy's spellchecker and QA guy. He should've been canned following the Bully-gate scandal with Jim Turner.

    Water under the bridge though. Let's hope Gase gets us 2 more wins and Matty gunslinger shines like a diamond in a goat's azz...
     
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  8. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the OP is a bit over the top as well, but that's already been stated.

    I do however think there is reason for optimism with Moore at the helm. I think we'll see a bit of a different offensive approach. I don't think Moore is quite as... good as portrayed by the OP, however I don't think he's Cleo Lemon terrible either.

    Moore is what he is at this point. He's a backup. He's that for a reason. I do however think he's got the ability to come in, make some plays for us and manage the game. The biggest thing he should be concerned with is not giving the game away. If he can do that, we're going to be fine.

    I like the guy, I think he's a good guy by all accounts, so to see him do well will be nice for him personally, and the team.
     
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  9. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    15 different coaches and coordinators for Tannehill? Again, c'mon man...

    You're talking Sherman, Lazor, and Taylor under Philbin - who by your own admission was incompetent along with his staff, and now Gase, Christensen, and specifically, Bo Hardegree, who replaced Zac Taylor as the QB coach.

    This isn't something specific to Tannehill either. Moore has gotten the same coaching since being here and has the benefit of working with Gase, Christensen, and Hardegree as well since last spring.

    The over the top hyperbole and banter is where these arguments are stemming from. While there are few who share your infatuation with Matt, no one is hates him and every Dolphin fan in the world should be rooting for him to help us win.
     
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  11. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think anybody "hates" Matt Moore. The guy has been the ultimate team player since he's been here. He's comfortable in that backup roll. He's always helping Tannehill on the sidelines, and in meetings by all accounts. But, I think you have to remember... he's a backup, and regarded as such by the league (not just the Dolphins) for a reason.

    It's very possible to not like his game though. He can be careless at times, and turn it over. With his role now as a backup QB (or even just QB in general), you can't do that. So hopefully Gase can mange him well to the point where it's just, lets get what you're comfortable with in the gameplan, lets run it, lets not turn the ball over, don't just heave it up and deep on a prayer, manage the game, take what the defense gives you, get the win. That's his job as the backup. It's not to be a superstar, nobody expects that. If it turns out that way, great. All you really want from your backup, especially a vet like Matt is to give your team a chance, and not negatively impact the game.
     
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  12. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    The biggest fear of the RT guys is MM doing well, it always has been, that is why there IS so much hate for MM, because he has always been a specter hanging over RT's shoulder.

    If RT actually WAS the man, this wouldn't be a thing.

    "the most popular guy on the team is the back up QB"
    This is only true when the starter isn't getting it done.

    I have no idea if MM gives us a better chance to win, I've never seen him play in meaningful games, but I have NO faith in RT winning games that matter after these last 2 performances.
     
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  13. SICK

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    Yeah his 3 tds and over 100 rating Sunday is cause for concern. clearly.
     
  14. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't know a single Dolphin fan who hates Matt Moore, not one. I don't know a single Dolphin fan who is rooting against Matt Moore to do well, not one. This is absolutely absurd thinking. I think even Matt Moore and most of this fan base KNOW Ryan is the man here. What last two performances are you talking about?
     
  15. keypusher

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    Yeah, this. Matt Moore is a total enigma at this point. What can you say about a guy who has played a handful of meaningful snaps over the past five years? Not much! I am hoping we get the 2011 edition, minus the fumbles. But that is actually a lot to ask. We should all be hoping that Ajayi and the offensive line get the running game going again...it's been a while.
     
  16. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sick, just forget about it. Finster was too busy writing Ryan's obit on Monday morning, saying that most likely Ryan played his last game as a Dolphin. Must have been crushing to find out that Ryan would be ok and coming back. Even more crushing watching the team's and coaches reaction to Ryan after the injury....crushing.
     
  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Wrong.

    When Tannehill and the offense was struggling earlier in the season, I said multiple times, I'd LOVE for Moore to go out there, so everyone could see how much worse we could be.

    No one is afraid of Moore displacing Tannehill. If he could, then Philbin for sure would have trotted him out.
     
  18. bakedmatt

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    Very tricky.

    You mean to say that the Dolphins finished 6-3 over the last 9 games of the season in 2011. He quarterbacked in 13 games. The team went 6-6 in games in which he started, and 6-7 in games in which he was the leading passer for the Dolphins.
     
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  19. cuchulainn

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    Dunno either as Tannehill was money in the Cards game - 15 of 20 for 195 yards and 3 TDs, including a 30 yard TD strike to Stills in a monsoon on a day Palmer couldn't complete 2 in a row and the Cards lost the handle on the ball 6 times. That's about as good as it gets at any level in those conditions.

    Again, not sure why people are manufacturing "hate" Matt Moore though. Not a single person on this forum has dogged him that I've seen and questioning Key's effusive endorsement doesn't qualify as hating him.

    Most everyone is in wait and hope for the best mode.
     
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  20. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wait a minute, what the heck was wrong with his play on Sunday against Arizona? That was a pretty impressive performance given the circumstances of the weather. It was a great response after the beatdown in Baltimore.

    Sure, there was the fumbled snap, and the ball that clearly slipped out of his hand in the pouring rain that was almost a huge disaster, but that's two issues that plagued both teams all day, not exactly something you can put on him. Sure, I guess you can, he's got to take care of the ball, but sometimes, the elements just win and you can't really help it.
     
  21. RealDolphinsFan2

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    He doesn't like tannehill because of all the good things tannehill has going for him not just in football, but in life. Tannehill has a lot man, some people like to hate on people like that.
     
  22. dWreck

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    First of all RT IS the man, hence why he will be starting under center next year even if Moore wins the superbowl. Moore can play lights out here on out and he's not taking the job. He is the backup. There is no competition. There is no comparison. That's reality.

    Not a single one of us are 'afraid' of Moore doing well. That might be the dumbest thing I've read here in a long time...wtf. Prove it? all of us are hoping he excels and wins big for us. Literally all of us.

    The irony is that the opposite is MUCH more likely to happen. I can hear it now, Moore plays poorly and it'll be because he's been out of the game for too long and he's just rusty, Moore plays well enough and we win 3 games and you all will come out of your holes proclaiming him to be the savior and you knew it all along, etc. That's an easy bet.
     
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  23. bigballa2102

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    It actually is and was reality, drafting someone in the first round specially a qb automatically gives that guy an edge on everyone, not to mention this teams unwillingness to make the playoffs and the horrible qb play. Even if the race was tight or close RT would still have started. If they wanted to bench him for a year they would have brought someone else in besides Gerrard who was a proven winner. The fans and the owners were and are at a boiling point over the qb play and drafting a qb in the first round for the first time since Dan auto put the 'Savior' tag on RT. Not to mention the amount of work RT needed compared to any other first yr qb so why would you give him second team reps. Look at fisher he took nothing but SH!t for starting keenum, which in my opinion first yr qbs should sit a yr, and fisher just couldn't hold off on all the pressure to start Goff and it didn't change anything for the rams they are still aweful. so either way you look at it RT was going to play because hey its the nfl and the dolphins needed a positive outlook at that time.
     
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  24. MikeHoncho

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    Why we should be believe in Matt Moore.

    We've not other choice. That's why.

    /thread

    /mylife
     
  25. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    When someone says Ryan Tannehill isn't "getting it done" after piloting the team to a 7-1 record, recording nearly a 3:1 touchdown-interception ratio, and engineering multiple fourth-quarter comebacks all in the last 8 games.
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  26. SICK

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    The point is if Moore was so good you don't DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND.

    So that whole argument would never happen in the first place of "hes a 1st round pick so he has to start"
     
  27. dWreck

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    The only games that matter are the first few and the BAL game. Thank god we have someone with a hall of fame potential type ceiling and Manning-like leadership skills ready and waiting to take us to the promised land. For the last 9 years he wasn't even in his final form, but now's the time!
     
  28. dWreck

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    Yep. and if they were pressured to play RT then you dont get Garrard in the first place.
     
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  29. Finster

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    Typical, lol, you know he didn't play well so you point to stats.

    After that beauty of a pass to Stills, it went down hill for RT, lucky he only turned the ball over twice, lucky he was given short fields, and lucky the Cards played as bad as a team can.

    The locking on, footwork, pocket presence, missing better options, 3rd downs, ball placement and ball security issues have all been on display these past 2 weeks.

    Until RT gets on the field and actually plays well in a meaningful game, I have no faith in him as a leader, he had a WC team come in for an early game, and as is the case many times, the WC team played like crap.

    They just came in a laid a turd, and with huge playoff implications RT is just wishy washy, thank god we started on the Cards 40 for one score, and thank god Landry took a dump off 70yds, because we may very well have lost that game if one of those things didn't happen.

    Tooting RT's horn after that game is ludicrous, besides that 1 beautiful pass to Stills, there is not much good to point at, and please don't bring up his LOS TD passes, who cares if a QB completes a pass to the LOS and then the player and play call is doing all the work, those 2 TD passes are not worth mentioning, they combine for about 1.5 air yards.
     
  30. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Finster probably had the same face during our winning streak! He has his finger on the pulse of Dolphin nation and their hate for Matt Moore...laughable. Maybe he should look at the bias dislike he has toward his own team's QB? We are ALL Matt Moore rooters from here on out. We are ALL Ryan Tannehill rooters whenever he should get back. If you are not, then get out of the way!We got some big games coming up, time to win with whoever we have at QB. The reports of Tannehill's demise were greatly exaggerated. How bout them DOLPHINS FINSTER BABY!
     
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  31. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yep....a lot of Matt Moore hating going on. I can feel it.
     
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  32. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    A Three way QB competition was ridiculous to begin with as the nature of the snaps got diluted. It would better serve two guys to share time with 1's to get a better idea of what you have.

    Garrard was a bum a that point in his career - Proven by the fact he bounced out of the league shortly thereafter. That guy was just about collecting a paycheck.
     
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  33. Rocky Raccoon

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    Oh what a surprise. The win was because of everyone else except for Tannehill. Big shocker.

    You just can't hide your hatred for him anymore, can you? That was a meaningful game, and he played very well. Sorry you have to pretend he didn't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

    Sad.
     
  34. dWreck

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    It must really piss you off that there is literally N O T H I N G Moore can do on the field this season to take the job from Tannehill, save for murdering him
     
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  35. Rock Sexton

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    False. Sparano wouldn't even let him compete fairly. Not to mention he was signed in August - how the hell was he gonna give Henne a run for his money?

    People who detract from Moore's final year in Carolina are the equivalent of box score addicts. No context, no real analysis of what actually happened that year, which clearly affected his careers numbers.

    That fact that Philbin wanted to even give Garrard a shot was blasphemy to begin with and that joke of a three-way QB Competition.
     
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  36. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Don't forget all the "But, but, but he cost us Luck" fanatics.
     
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  37. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Rocky, he never hid his hatred for him. Tried to play it off with Stats. When stats got better, he went with intangibles. Intangibles got better, he went with wins. Wins got better, pointed to other parts of the team . All he has left now is his open dislike, which is clear to see. Rocky, any chance this weekend , you hoping Moore doesn't do well?.. any chance?? Didn't think so, me neither. Lame and laughable position to take


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  38. Rock Sexton

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    Here we go again - numbers without context.

    How fast did you think a man signed in August would need to get acclimated when thrust into the starters role? I'm serious .... how many games? Did you really believe it would be an instantaneous turnaround?
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    I mean, Ryan completed 75% of his passes and threw 3 touchdown passes in a monsoon. But of course that was because of everyone else. Don't you know that? It wasn't Ryan, it was the receivers, the defense, and Adam Gase' playcalling. Ryan didn't do ANYTHING.
     
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  40. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Basically this thread has now morphed into false narratives vs. false narratives.
     

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