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Why You Should Believe in Matt Moore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Vegas (they are smarter than you) thinks Miami will score less than 20 points this week.

    That's bad for a couple of reasons. One is it hurts our playoff chances, and two it means this thread will be overran with folks who will somehow use it to justify their agenda. And it wont be just one guy, believe me this.
     
  2. cbrad

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    There's no reason to single out Tannehill when talking about passes that were "almost intercepted", but there is good reason to point out that any analysis including "almost" stats should be compared (with the same criteria) to "almost" stats for other QB's.

    That is.. say there should have been 3 INT's for Moore. OK.. what is the average number of "almost intercepted" passes per game in the NFL? Without knowing that it's hard to claim Moore did something any worse (or better) than average. So from that point of view asking what the similar stat for Tannehill is has some merit.

    In any case, since we have no real data on almost intercepted passes, I'd stick to talking about what actually occurred instead of what could have occurred.
     
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  3. Hoops

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    When i see that kind of lack of head and eye discipline in a qbs drop it becomes more about faith in adam gase than it does faith in matt moore

    To each his own
     
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  4. dWreck

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    So we should just say nothing if Moore ****s the bed? Again, the guy had one good game and the OP who compared him to Manning (in any capacity) immediately came in here and expected apologies. He opened that can of worms. I'll be the first to say it wasn't unexpected in the least bit if Moore sucks vs BUF. Id say the same if he balled out though, thats the beauty of dealing with an inconsistent backup QB who likes to air it out and a competent head coach. Has nothing to do with an agenda, the guy is a career backup for a reason and winning in Buffalo is a tough task for us.
     
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  5. brandon27

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    :lol: I know, that's your thing. Have at it. I hate numbers and number crunching. I get your point though, and it's well taken.

    However, that's not how this came up. I jumped into a discussion about someone saying Moore had a couple passes that could have been picked off if we didn't catch the break of a drop by the defender or something else. Someone else said that was a lie, and tried to pass it off as he didn't come close. I simply stated, yes... he did. Then it gets turned into well Tannehill this that and the other thing. It's just completely irrlevant. IT was simply stating whether something did, or didn't happen during the events of the game Saturday, and it gets turned into this nonsense because some people just can't help themselves apparently.

    Anyways, I'm moving on from this, it really doesn't need this much time, or discussion. I was merely pointing out how pointless it was, at the time to bring it up. It was obvious why it was brought up. I just dont think its necessary, it just creates unnecessary drama.
     
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  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I think it is 100% justified to come in here and criticize Moore if he sucks. But thats only if you will come in here and call him "the man" if he has another game similar to Sat.

    Its all good to disagree, I do it with the best of them. But when anyone tries to pick apart a 4td game on the road in December when you have started in 5 years as if he was "lucky" when they have made excuses for much Much MUCH lesser games out of RT then I look at them like they are idiots. Because well....they are.

    It boils down to the ole saying you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house...

    Now if a poster was critical of Ryan when he struggled and held him accountable then turned around and apologized for Matt if he plays poorly I will feel the exact same about that guy.

    A fella's agenda when judging the most important position on the field shouldn't change because he "likes" one guy better than the other. But this is a message board, and you always have a few guy's who dont get it and dont get that they dont get it. It's life.
     
  7. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I hope he lights it the F up (and I said that last week too). Sexy Rexy, I'm counting on, to get a little overzealous in the blitz department...PLEASE DO. If he doesn't sell out against Ajayi, we'll have some great balance. If he does, Matt should burn 'em. Their secondary is pretty strong, though, so there may be opportunities for them, more so than the Stej had.

    Not worried. We're playing with house money from where I sit. I DO believe this is the toughest game we have left, but I no longer think it's an automatic loss (like I did when the schedule was announced). And you're right...4 TDs on the road, in the cold, in December, nothing to sniff at. That's a damn good performance. Stellar.

    I'll take as many more of those as he has in him, and smile the whole way (and I'm a MASSIVE Tannehill fan). Even if he chucks a few INTs, I'm not mad at him. What he did for us against the Stej was priceless, and I for one am 100% behind MM going forward.
     
  8. KeyFin

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    That's EXACTLY how it came up! As soon as I tried to make the comparison you exploded.
     
  9. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Just like last time, this should be a run-heavy game with the occasional play action. If you remember back to the first contest, Tannehill was more of a game manager and Moore should be in that exact same role. So it really comes down to Ajayi and our offensive line (and Buffalo's 27th ranked run defense). I could see it playing out either way- we torch the **** out of them or they shut us down completely.

    I don't think anyone expects this to be an easy win for Miami- I've feared this match-up more than the Pats game all season.
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You did not crusade like this for Tannehill when posters were belittling his game against the Texans last year.
     
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    And that rests in part on the defense. You can't have a run-heavy game if the other team is running away with it.

    Again this is the way the Chiefs succeed with Alex Smith. Their defense, and especially their pass defense, has been routinely among the league's best, which keeps Smith from having to win games through the air.
     
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  12. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I can't be everywhere trying to help everyone. Im not batman, just Robin.
     
  13. dolphin25

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    exactly
     
  14. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    We could not run the ball against the Jets, but Moore won the game.
     
  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Preeeeeeety sure you participated in discussions around Tannehill in that game.

    But perhaps you're right, you somehow missed those discussions.
     
  16. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I do not
    I truly do not remember the context of that game. If I recall he had a pretty good game, and I believe that may have been the INT turned long completion to Rishard?

    Either way I will have plenty to say about MM if he struggles, I even called the pic in the game thread. I am a fan of the team. Be it Moore or Tannehill if I think they are hurting the team I root for then I will say it without conviction. My agenda is to see a good football team every week.
     
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  17. SICK

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    lmao no. Get off your high horse you'll never get an "apology" from me. Its a message board. Button up Sally, you'll be okay.

    I am not praising anyone for saying what you did. You said we have a better chance going 3-0 with Moore over Tannehill and I called that bull****. Which it is. Period.
     
  18. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    You're the equivalent of the guy in time square with the "world is ending" sign. Jesus Christ, you are hilarious. Just watch the game and enjoy a victory if/when it happens.

    It's going to happen.
     
  19. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    If you admittedly haven't been around to understand if I'm right or not? Then why chime in? i have seen these guys in action, Im not just making this up. And trust me...I enjoy the victories as much if not more than most because I root for the Dolphins first and whoever is behind C after that. Beyond that I'm not sure what you are getting at.
     
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  20. resnor

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    You are making things up. Saying that anyone is rooting for Moore to fail is simply making stuff up.

    What's frustrating for me, is that the crew who bashes Tannehill for everything, and puts every throw of his under the microscope, street doing that with Moore. We point that out, and it gets spun that we're flipping how we rate QBs, but that isn't at all what we're doing. We're simply wondering why you're (not you specifically Fin-O, generic you're) changing the criteria.
     
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  21. SICK

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    I am curious why you're not saying "If we win the Matt Moore group will be all around the boards, and it wont be just one of them saying I told you so"

    Seems like you have a dog in this fight....even tough you try to come off as neutral.
     
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  22. brandon27

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    Because there was no need to make a comparison. We were talking specifically about Matt Moore and his game on Saturday. Not the guy on crutches. You went there for no reason other than to deflect from Moore and try and crap on Tannehill about something we were specifically talking about regarding Matt Moore on Saturday night. Not all season, not the past or whatever. Again, it wasn't about the two of them. There was no need to compare, but you went there... and started claiming that Matt Moore has the best QBR in the NFL... after one game... Everyone sees through it man, nice try though. :up: There was no need for the comparison, when the discussion simply surrounded 2 or 3 plays from Moore, in the game on Saturday night. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Of course you can make the argument you want to make. Tannehill has made more than his fair share of mistakes this season, and in his career. That just... wasn't the issue though until you felt the need to overly defend Moore, and put an unrelated issue onto Tannehill. It was just pointless, I'm sorry you don't see that. It just was... irrelevant in relation to the conversation.

    It doesn't matter man at the end of the day. It's all good :up:
     
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  23. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Because I like winning, I can handle what comes with it.

    How many people actually think Moore is the better option? 1? 2? Why does this bother you so much?

    And why haven't I seen you drop in with all this "reason" on any of the other threads? Who really has a dog in this fight?

    I'll hang up and listen. [emoji6]


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  24. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    My criteria is pretty concrete, and I have been very pleased with both quarterbacks the past couple of months.

    Do I think more playing well and he win upsets most? No.

    Do I think it irks a handful of posters? Yes.


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  25. SICK

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    This is the most active thread here, and I have been posting on it since the first page.....why would I stop?

    That's your rebuttal? "Why does it bother you so much?"

    lol. I can't have an opinion with your select group unless it agrees with you or else I am:

    1) a Troll and need to apologize LMFAO

    2) "Why does it bother you so much"

    I should just drop it, and not discuss anything on here if it doesn't agree with the 3M crew. Sounds like if we all did that for everything, this place would be a ghost town

    Thanks for the call, I need to find a better intern to screen them next time.
     
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  26. SICK

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    Can you provide ANY PROOF that anyone would be IRKED if Matt Moore has success and the Miami Dolphins won? Please.....I'll "hang up and listen"

    You can't. Every single person in this thread has wished Moore well, and expressed our desire to win comes first. Why do you make up bull**** to fit your end of days narrative? You truly feel Matt Moore playing well irks posters? Show us.

    Cause all I see is football discussion and 100% participation in being happy the Dolphins won from everyone.
     
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  27. resnor

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    Yes, I'd love to see any proof that anyone wants Moore to do poorly. Of course, there Is no proof. This is simply another false narrative, invented and pushed by a certain group of posters, that does nothing but cause arguments. It was created out of thin air, and was latched onto by a couple posters, who continue to spout it as fact.
     
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  28. Fin-O

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    Show you?

    I'd expect a better argument from such an unbiased forum veteran. I guess I can't show you so my opinion (yes I said MY OPINION) is invalid.

    And how many times do I need to explain that my thoughts go beyond "this thread". I've said it multiple times now....what isn't registering?

    And nice, now I'm lumped in with some MM group based on what?

    You are truly coming in this thread not having a clue about 75% of what's going on. That was understandable before, but you haven't stopped ignoring that fact. What's your agenda here?



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  29. SICK

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    So you admit your opinion is drawn off of nothing as you can't provide proof as to why you feel that way.

    Got it.

    Just because I say "In my opinion humans can breathe under water" doesn't mean its correct. And doesn't mean people cant say "no you cant".

    what aren't you getting?

    And please source the 75% of not knowing what's going on....been watching the team all year, and see the very few 3M crew members all around the board, where'd you get that 25% I "DO" know what's going on? Another baseless number you're grasping at I suppose? Like the majority of your posts.
     
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  30. Fin-O

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    Dude really, please read what I said.

    I actually like you in a weird way (maybe homo?) but you misquote the living hell out of me!




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  31. Rocky Raccoon

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    What are you basing this on, exactly? Even the most aggressive pro-Tannehill people have wished Matt Moore well. Hoping the team finds success with him in there.

    You have come around on Tannehill this season, yet for some reason you seem to love to come after members of the pro-Tannehill crowd for being ridiculous and rude, but won't do the same for other side.

    I just wonder why.
     
  32. SICK

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    Then he asks "why he's lumped in with the MM crew"

    He's biased, and does not do the same thing about "liking MM posts", or coming out to "predict" MM people will be annoying if he has success. He's one-sided and somehow isn't seeing it? Or just isn't admitting it.
     
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  33. resnor

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    No need to misquote. You said you think it irks some people.

    I asked for evidence of your claim.
     
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  34. Fin-O

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    I anybody with a keyboard can play this source game.

    If I had more time I would look up everyone of your posts and make that ridiculous garbage "come back".

    When someone makes a comment and includes "IMO" and you come back asking me to fact check? Do I really need to explain to you how little sense that makes?


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  35. Fin-O

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    I don't need evidence, this isn't court.

    It's an opinion, and you guys obviously are struggling with it.


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  36. dWreck

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    Ive already asked 2 people to quote any Moore hate whatsoever, or any evidence of anyone being upset about Moore and the teams success vs the NYJ. both those posts got ignored. it is 100% made up BS. Not one person on this site is upset or irked about Moore succeeding (atleast to where they have mentioned it or hinted it). it's ridiculous. Being 'irked' at how over the top and ridiculous the OP is has nothing to do with disliking Moore or being upset over him playing well.

    Im a Tannehill supporter through and through but my love for a player will never eclipse my love for the team. I would never be upset about any success that comes our way regardless of who is under center for us.
     
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  37. SICK

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    Yes you do.

    Your "opinion" is pigeon holing a certain group of people, people that read your ****ing posts you cant have an opinion about them that's incorrect and not be held accountable to prove why you feel that way. Are you serious?

    "IMO this website is ran by ISIS"

    "IMO the Miami Dolphins play NBA basketball for real not the NFL"

    "IMO cars can fly but the government isn't telling us how"

    "IMO Bush did 9/11"

    "IMO McDonalds should be considered gourmet food"


    You can't have an opinion, and not expect it to be called on if its silly, just because ITS YOUR OPINION

    You're not really that senseless are you? Sorry.....

    I mean....IMO you're not really that senseless are you! (Cant be wrong I said "IMO")
     
  38. Fin-O

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    Here's what you're not getting, you can call me on it that's fine and I can explain to you why I feel that way. But to ask for facts is idiotic.

    By the way do you have facts I am pigeonholing a certain group?

    I'll hang up and listen


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  39. resnor

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    So, you can give facts but not proof?

    Your trolling is reaching epic proportions, as you now want to play semantics, even though you know full well what people are saying.

    You are ridiculous, imo, for saying that anyone is upset with Moore doing well.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    You're entitled to your opinion...and for the record I'm a Tannehill supporter as well. He's had a pretty solid year.

    However, I'm also entitled to my opinion...the one you've called "ridiculous and over the top" at least a half dozen times now. In fact, you can't seem to stop calling me out but you've yet to address any of those points you're calling over the top or ridiculous...even when most of what I predicted happened last Saturday. The Dolphins looked great and won a crucial game, yet here you are still spewing hate my way.

    The real question here is why? Why are you so upset that I'm a Moore supporter if you really have a "team first" attitude?

    For example, I've liked Howard all year. He's been second string while riding IR. Maxwell got hurt and that gave Howard a chance to prove himself...and Howard played outstanding. Does that offend you as well? Is it over the top or ridiculous for me to say Howard will also play well next week? Because it's the exact same scenario as Moore and Tannehill...except that people on this board aren't in love with Maxwell.

    Maybe you haven't said anything directly negative about Moore, but you really seem to have a grudge for me for being one of his few fans here. So maybe you should take a look at your post again about never being upset if Moore succeeds, because you sure do seem upset for absolutely no reason at all.
     
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