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Why the Ryan Tannehill era is over in Miami

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finster, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. cbrad

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    Yeah it does.. it looks at all cases where a QB had one or many coaches and looks at how much of a change in passer rating you get depending on different mean passer ratings. The average effect of ANY coach for a QB anywhere on the scale is the same.

    So this doesn't follow the trajectory of each coach in NFL history and then ask how their effect on different QB's changed. This does the analysis in reverse by asking how the effect on QB's changed given ANY coach, showing that where the QB is on the scale is irrelevant on average.
     
  2. Fin D

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    Great, so what you've done is say all coaches and all QBs are the same. All coaches effect the QB in the same way. Why even bother anymore, juts grab any coach and any QB and everything will work out.

    You know how to make calculations, but you have no idea how to apply the data.
     
  3. Dolphins Dad

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    Are you sure?
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Well, its certainly possible that he's back under another name. He tried that a few times.
     
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  5. GreysonWinfield

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    LOL......That is all
     
  6. Hoops

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    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you're the resident statistical analysis guy...hopefully unlike so many I have encountered prior you can apply them not only in a vacuum
     
  7. cbrad

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    I'm well aware of the limitations of statistical analysis (i.e. the precise assumptions under which the method applies, and if it doesn't strictly apply how good an approximation the assumptions of the math are to the applied situation) so if there's any question about that just ask.

    Welcome to the board btw!
     
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  8. dullfandan

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    Dear OP... I agree, but one would think Gase would try to work with RT.. it's only their first year and RT is damaged goods.. Gase knows that.. after next year we can start this argument up again.. MM played the jets, even in the meadowlands they are not good... orchard park is a completely different animal
     
  9. hitman8

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    I agree with your assesment that gase has been frustrated with tannehil alot this season and the offense has been limited to hide RT's weaknesses. However I disagree that gase is going to replace him with Moore. Moore had one good game, if he is able to maintain that high level for the rest of the season then you have an argument, but right now I don't think Moore has overtaken tannehill.

    If gase thinks he can upgrade over tannehill in the offseason he will I am sure.
     
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  10. brandon27

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    I'll vouch for him. He is the resident stats/numbers guy, but is generally pretty good in his presentation of them and is open to interpretation of them.

    I hate numbers, but I like reading his breakdowns of them.
     
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  11. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Ok, so where does Suh belong? Is he the best? If you say he's better than A Donald, this convo is over, cuz I can't argue with that, so what he's the second best? so you and I have him just a few spots different, and that is how I'm "way off base", and "totally wrong"? lol

    I have always maintained that Suh is one of the top DTs in the league, there are a few I'd take over him.

    So how is it i'm "way off base", you consider my toe being across the line way off base?

    Maybe you're overreacting?
     
  12. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I'm not really saying that Moore is the answer, more that RT isn't.
     
  13. Dolphins Dad

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    If you keep saying it long enough maybe it will come true.

    But you are wrong.
     
  14. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Hmmmm. If Moore isn't the answer, then how can you be certain the Tannehill era is over, especially at this point? All else aside, the Dolphins reached an 8-5 record with Tannehill behind centre. I don't see how Gase looks at that, sees one game from Moore, who isn't the answer, and then decides to move on from Tannehill.
     
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  15. dullfandan

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    Can we state the obvious and say that lippitt x man suh and wake won that game and MM was the guy who benefited from it..
     
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  16. evo8904

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    Really, RT>MM.... RT has only thrown 4 TDs once in his career. MM did that after setting the bench for almost 5 years. Not only that, MM showed better pocket awareness against getting blitzed all game. MM doesn't even practice with the first squad.

    You don't need an elite QB to win. Marino was an elite QB and if he had played with the current passing rules, his records would be ridiculous. However, how many SB wins did he have???? ZERO! Yet, Trent Dilfer, Peyton Manning "on crutches", Brad Johnson and other QBs have won SBs with below average abilities. This is due to their team. When Peyton Manning had the monstrous year, Denver's offense looked like **** in the SB against Seattle. With that said, we can win with MM. MM is significantly cheaper than Tannehill. Tannehill's stock is higher after the way that he played this year. Put him up for trade and see what we get. With no QBs in the draft this year, we could make out very well. Then we could pursue more players in the free agency due to the extra cap space. Cleveland would most likely jump all over the chance of getting Tannehill.

    However, we need to see how he plays for the remainder of the year. The next two games aren't easy at all.
     
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  17. Fin D

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  18. cbrad

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    Let's also remember we won't save $20 million if we cut Tannehill next year. The dead money is just over $10 million. So it's not just a question of which QB to replace Tannehill with.. it's a question of would you pay $10 mil just to cut him?

    This is why it seems to me unlikely the team will part ways with Tannehill even if we assume Gase doesn't think he's the long-term answer. It's also why I'm interested in whether we draft another QB or not (not in rounds 1 or 2.. we need LB/OL there but later on.. meaning rounds 5-7 because we have no 3rd or 4th rounder!@!)
     
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  19. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Gase has said ...point blank. Ryan Tannehill is the QB of the Miami Dolphins. Why wont you guys take him at his word?
     
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  20. scotty_irnbru

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    So again answer me this. In your trade RT situation are we the smart team for trading or are the browns for picking him? If he's good enough for the browns then surely he's good enough for us. Why don't we trade Moore too (note that despite sitting on our bench for 5 years no team has tried to take Moore despite them having the tape that we have). There is a reason why Moore is a high end back up. It's because he's a high end back up who'll look good in the spots that you put him in if properly schemed and such. He isn't a franchise qb, and he'll be 33 at the start of next season. He's been in the league for 10 years and he's thrown only 800 passes. There is a reason for that. We're not letting some hidden gem slip through our fingers. Also, by qbr, completion percentage, and td/int RT out performs him. I like Moore. He's a good back up. He isn't a starter. Tannehill is.
     
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  21. scotty_irnbru

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    Because some people don't like facts.
     
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  22. Hoops

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    what weaknesses in ryan tannehill has gase been hiding? cause outside of the fact that we ran more corner routes with matt moore I don't know of anything else that was different minus the use of the backs in the flats and the zone read/screen game which is taking advantage of your qbs legs and the threat of them and without it right now the run game is stagnant
     
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  23. LI phinfan

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    Words mean nothing. It is much more important to interpret grimaces on Gase's face....much more important. SILLY VT!
     
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  24. Fame

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    Yeah, what a loser. No talent there. Only capable of short throws from the shotgun. Can't go deep. No touch.

    You nailed it. Brilliant analysis.
     
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  25. Dolphins Dad

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    It doesn't fit their agendas, and would make them wrong.
     
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  26. adamprez2003

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    It doesn't fit their narrative. Reality is so boring
     
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  27. Runnincm

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    Lol. He leads him out of bounds. Was this preseason or a game that he lost lol.
     
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  28. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Really? That's your take-away?

    Dismissed.
     
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  30. jdang307

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    That was impressive as a play but as a throw it left a lot to be desired. WR had to cut his more vertical route horizontally. A better throw is a TD which isn't a guarantee.
     
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  31. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    On the run to his right, you're expecting him to throw across his body back toward the center, which would've put the receiver closer to the pursuit...on a 50+ yard pass. He did a lot of great on that play, I ain't gonna nitpick accuracy, especially considering the distance in air yards.

    And he was never on a vertical route...he was going right the whole way.
     
  32. PhinFan1968

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    1st ever ball to slip out of a QBs hand in wet conditions...fire him!
     
  33. Rock Sexton

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    Curious to hear you comments regarding Tannehill's exclusivity to playing out of the shotgun and how it relates to playcalling limitations.
     
  34. KeyFin

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    Because that wasn't what he said. Gase said, "Ryan Tannehill is my quarterback for 2016- there's nothing else to discuss."

    Like I said though, that was part of the interview process- he had to agree to play him all of 2016. In fact, Gase was not the #1 choice for the job...Ross preferred a different candidate but the other guy didn't want to start RT. Thankfully that worked out though because Gase was definitely the coach we needed all along.

    Maybe this will help clarify what he said or didn't say- http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/91678724-132.html
     
  35. jdang307

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    First off it wouldn't be across his body.

    I never said vertical I Said a more vertical route that had to be adjusted you can tell because the DB is adjusting when they come into the frame.
     
  36. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I don't know why we're even discussing it...we should just ask Finster if Gase smirked when he completed it, that's the true litmus.
     
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  37. vt_dolfan

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    Wow...there are gonna be some butt hurt Dolphans....dont worry, the rest of us will enjoy the success of our team enough till yall finally come to grips with our QB being Ryan Tannehill.
     
  38. Hoops

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    Thats a diagonal route fellas...the reason is on the boot when he rolls out full gallop they want him throwing to his strong side ie arm side and not across his body which a more take it up the middle vertical would be

    The under and mid level routes are horizontal the vertical stills route is diagonal

    Its a damn good throw

    Also that play isnt designed for t hill to come to a stop and set his feet to throw that more vertical...its horizontal because the qb is only getting a tight end chip on the edge defender off tbe boot action and is in hot pursuit back side
     
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  39. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Some will never come around...a bud at work (Dolphins fan) said he wasn't impressed with that TD he threw to Stills against SD. I mean...come on. That play was ridiculous. I'm convinced RT could win the SB, be named MVP, and the guy would still say he sucks.
     
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  40. Hoops

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    I think its time to find a new buddy at work...that was one of the most rediculous best throws you will ever find anywhere

    300 lb dt got you dead to rights barely get to set your feet on the roll out and throw 60 yards across your body dilfer dime over the shoulder

    Cover guy was left saying how in the hell did that happen and throwing chairs on the bench...no doubt he said no way he can get that this deep and he dropped a lazer with a helmet under the chin to boot
     

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