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Why the Ryan Tannehill era is over in Miami

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finster, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    The better question is, who DIDN'T know the offense would be different? Don't take a rocket surgeon to see the differences in the two QBs, and Gase knows them after almost a year around them...of course he's not going to call the same plays for MM that he does for RT. MM has things he does better, RT has things he does better, they're not the same guy.

    Saying no dink and dunk is a bit off kilter as well...there were short/LOS passes. Given only an 18 play sample size, you can't really say there were too few or too many, especially when you consider the Jets sold out on the run and left the field open. Arizona tried that also and RT/MM burned them on it the week before.

    Everybody (except maybe a few people) knew the offense would be different. Just like everybody knows (except a few people) that RT is the starter when he's 100%.
     
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  2. Runnincm

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    Tannehill won 7 of 9 games and had a negative point differential. Against one of the easiest schedules in the NFL.

    You think gase is coach of the year but also think he is going to tie himself to a qb who has a losing record and gotten how many coaches fired?
     
  3. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya his play on Defense has been putrid, giving up all those points. All them stellar coaches that got fired knew that too.

    It was 7 of 8, and he has already tied himself with Tannehill.

    Pay attention.
     
  4. Ohio Fanatic

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    typical dolphins fan. stuck on the stats of the past and too battered to see actual improvement. what matters is how Tannehill is playing right now with Gase and it's pretty damn good. Gase was brought in to bring Tannehill to the next level and he clearly has.
    His record before Gase came is completely meaningless as is the s****** coaches he was stuck with before then.
     
  5. Sloopy

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    What Tannehill did during that period though is consistent with the 7-2 record the team had. The negative point differential was attributable mainly to the defense. Tannehill was doing his part.

    The large, positive point differential in the Jets game was likely due to the poor play of a fourth-round QB who had thrown only about a hundred passes at the NFL level (Petty). In other words, the Dolphins' defense's job was relatively easy that day. Matt Moore had a great game, yes, but the 32-point scoreboard differential in the end was due mainly to Petty's very poor game.

    Prior to the Cardinals and Jets games the Dolphins' passer rating differential in their seven wins averaged +30. In their five losses it averaged -36. In the Jets game it was +75. And there is a very strong relationship between the Dolphins' passer rating differential and their margin of victory (or defeat) in 2016.
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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  7. Sloopy

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    Matt Moore won there in 2011, when it was 31 degrees and snowing.
     
  8. Runnincm

    Runnincm Active Member

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    Right, so when Tannehill was 12-18 for 191 and 2 picks, it was the defenses fault. Or when they got the kick return td against the jets. Or when the defense picked off Rivers 4 times in the 4th quarter. Or when the defense had a pick 6. Or when Ajayi had back to back 200 yard games. Those were all because Tannehill was so good? Or maybe his 14 monster points he put up against the rams on 172 yards passing.
     
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  9. Sloopy

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    What I mean is that when you look at Tannehill's performance overall during the period in which the team was 7-2, his performance was consistent with what would be expected from a quarterback whose team achieved a 7-2 record. There was no other part of the team that needed to compensate for his performance so that the team could enjoy that success. He was doing his part.
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    It took us around twenty years to find a QB after Marino and you want to trade him just as we're on the precipe of being a perennial playoff team? Really?
     
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  11. Dolphins Dad

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    Again what these guys keep leaving out is the immediate improvement after Turner, Thomas and Fox were sent packing. Moore would have been killed behind those idiots.
     
  12. Runnincm

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    We are a playoff team this year because of the incredibly weak schedule. And tannehill still didn't light it up. When then schedule gets back to a normal difficulty the team will be back to normal under tannehill. If Moore lights it up this next couple games and playoffs there will be no reason to not use Moore the next two years and draft a qb to sit behind him
     
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  13. Sloopy

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    It's tough to attribute the team's success to that, though, when the Dolphins enjoyed about a +1.5 turnover margin per game during that period, a figure that would've led the league in 2015. And when you consider that Tannehill played just as well during the last 13 games of 2014 as he did during that period in 2016, it's tough also to attribute his individual play to that.
     
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  14. Sloopy

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    This above is a legitimate consideration in my opinion, because when you look at statistics that measure quarterback play while adjusting for the strength of opposing defenses, Tannehill is among the league's worst.

    If those statistics have validity as indicators of quarterbacks' individual ability, then obviously that poses a problem when one considers how the Dolphins might perform in the playoffs with Tannehill, where opposing defenses are likely to be among the league's best.
     
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  15. Hoops

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    7.7 ypa is not dink and dunk

    I'm sure cbrad can tell us where that ranks league wide
     
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  16. evo8904

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    I didn't know that. I just looked at Tannehill's record vs Buffalo. It's going to be a tough game and a must win.
     
  17. Fame

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    Tannehill's YPA ranks 9th this season, ahead of QBs such as Luck, Rodgers, Carr, Big Ben, and Cam Newton.
     
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  18. Runnincm

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    Yes because he takes unnecessary sacks. Any/a he is 16th and doesn't adjust for the weak schedule he has played.
     
  19. evo8904

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    After seeing MM put up 4 TDs, I give Gase more credit for all of those wins than Tannehill. Give Gase more to work with. He can put MM in the position to win just as much as Tannehill. Then in the 2018 draft, look for a QB that fits in Gase's system; one that can be molded.
     
  20. Hoops

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    what does taking sacks have to do with ypa? if he doesn't throw the ball and gets sacked its not counted in that number not to mention if it WAS counted which would be ridiculous his ypa would be lower

    the part that seems to be missed here is that with tannehill at qb what you guys refer to as dink and dunk is really zone read built in bubble screens where the qb has a run pass option that has been shelved with matt moore given the no threat of the qb run

    and without that zone read qb run threat this run offense that you guys keep wondering where it went and with a left guard that lacks strength in the run game due to injury and a pivot that is a slug athlete and a right guard who isn't much on poa play and 2 relatively finesse angle blockers at tackle this team even with a tone setter like ajayi can't run the ball...ajayis having to run thru contact to do anything and moore unlike tannehill in addition to date hasn't been changing play call sides in the run game

    which is gonna make life harder on matt moore as soon as we face a team that can score some points and not run out there trash can qb play
     
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  21. Runnincm

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    Ypa doesn't take into account his inability to avoid sacks by throwing the ball away. He takes a - yardage play instead of throwing the ball away and hurting his precious completion percentage and increasing his ypa. It is silly to use a stat that rewards a qb for taking the worse play.
     
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  22. Dolphins Dad

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    I'm calling Shouright here. All that's missing is WPA
     
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  23. Fin D

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    Well done, sir.
     
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  24. Dolphins Dad

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    Their heads are gonna explode now. Stupid facts getting in the way of a good narrative.Darn.
     
  25. Sloopy

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    Happy to admit it. We'll see how long I last.

    People will have to judge for themselves whether the kinds of contributions I'm making add value to the forum, or warrant my removal.
     
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  26. Runnincm

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    How could it be any worse than the 1-4 record that tannehill has this year vs teams over .500?
     
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  27. Hoops

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    you're joking me right? tell me you are joking...when a qb throws a ball away its usually cause he gets moved off the spot throwing to a dump or a late release flats route once he goes thru all his progressions

    that in no way helps ypa

    also if he throws it in the 5th row instead of taking sacks that put us behind the sticks I'm all for it...not to mention he has been climbing forward this year to limit the sack loss yardage when possible...taking 2 yard sacks is not a deal breaker
     
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  28. Hoops

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    well considering we started 1 and 4 with our now cut offensive line players and since then we have gone 8 and 1 since I think that light bulb should come on for you

    we also played awful defense...this team has come together as guys on defense have bought into the scheme and stopped blowing so many assignments and the oline has stabilized
     
  29. Dolphins Dad

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    Yes!!! I called it!!!
     
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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    May I ask what your last username was?
     
  31. Dolphins Dad

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    Never been here. I was dolphindad on FH didn't post a whole lot
     
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  32. Fame

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    Tannehill also ranks 6th in completion %, which combined with his YPA of 7.7 means he is insanely accurate throwing the ball down the field. Additionally, Tannehill ranks 10th in TD%, meaning that despite his ultra low number of pass attempts this year (rank 26th) he is money in the red zone and chunk plays down field.

    Lats year Tannehill ranked 8th in pass attempts and threw for over 4,000 yards. This year those numbers are way down because we're pounding the football and asking Tannehill to be smart and only take big shots on smart plays. His averages are basically all a career high, but because we now lean on the running game his overall numbers look low. If you extrapolated his current averages over 200+ more passing attempts, which is what he had last year, he would be at around 4,500 yards and 30 TDs for the season with a completion percentage of 67%.

    Anyone who can't comprehend how good those stats are really has no place to argue.
     
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  33. Runnincm

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    A high completion perrcentsge results in a higher ypa since an incomplete pass is counted as 0. Taking sacks also doesn't hurt either if those stats like it should. He has no dpi which don't add to his yardage and his int aren't deep throws equivalent to a punt.
     
  34. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Yet the Tannehaters have been trotting that stat out there as proof positive he sucked...until this year...cuz, ya know, the bar keeps moving.
     
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  35. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yeah, where's his INT percent ranked?
     
  36. dolphin25

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    We did take a QB in the last draft. His name is Brandon Doughty and he is on the practice squad
     
  37. Dolphins Dad

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    You are so cute the way you are grasping at anything possible. Hang in there guy, I'm rooting for you.
     
  38. dWreck

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    Holy **** bro. good call... lmao

    This might be like his 15th attempt at evading his ban and you nailed him. lolol.
     
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  39. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Bla bla bla bla...Gase > Runnincm.

    Back to your bridge troll.
     
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  40. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    oh NO! This defense is built to play with the lead (a Gase quote) and Moore generated that lead so the defense could do what it does.
     

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