Ryan Tannhill led us to the playoffs not Matt Moore

I'm talking about his MCL. It's a grade II sprain.

His ACL has, according to the reports, a very slight tear.

 

Lol and he is 90%. Id say 19%


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Wins mean nothing in regards to individual performance. In the 1st game I think he threw the ball 8 times? He has completed 31 passes this season. Yes, it's true he hasn't lost us any games by playing erratic, but he's clearly not playing at the level of a healthy RT.

 

I never said he was 90%. I said IF he gets to 90%. Try again...

 

even though his QB rating is higher?

 

I disagree with you...he has subtle things, football idiosyncrasies in his game that translate to the offense that result in positive gains for the offense..I thought the guy had a pretty good game, on the road, hostile environment, playoff implications..had some errant throws but overall pretty solid..

 

He's completed 31 passes. Moore'ss passer rating is better than Brady's, Brees, and Rodgers. He's not playing better than them, however.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fancy-stats/wp/2016/12/12/losing-ryan-tannehill-wont-hurt-the-dolphins-playoff-chances/

Tl;dr Ryan tannehill is an average qb who succeeds with strong o line play and a top 10 running game. Shocker.

 

Silly me. I thought 99.9% of all QB's succeed with strong o-line play and a top 10 running game. lol...The author is a twit.

 

Google NFL salaries. Plenty sites have the info. RT's contract is 14th, so basically average.

 

Well let the elephant in the room speak. Tannehill played like crap against the closest thing to a playoff team in Baltimore. There will be more teams like Baltimore coming up soon. Might as well see what Moore can do. End of debate


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No, not even close to the end of the debate.

RT actually has played 3 playoff teams this season. Ravens (#2 defense) Pats (#1 defense) and Pittsburgh (#9 defense). RT posted a 75, 94 and 98 passer rating respectively.

 

Didnt play Brady and Big Ben was hurt


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Pittsburgh ajayi ran for 200. Pats were winning 31-3 in the third quarter. And he scored 6 points against the ravens when the defense started him on the 8 yard line.

74 rating vs the Seahawks too. 62 rating vs the other team .500 or better the titans.

 

Brady plays defense now? And how well did Ben play RT before he got hurt? Did Ben INT RT? Sack him? lol

 

ummm...So?

Does Ajayi take away from RT's rating? Did RT not play good enough defense for you in the Pats game? I mentioned the Seahawks game. Show me what QB's play well against the Seahawks when their defense is on. Brady just put up a 68 passer rating against Denver. Alex Smith put up an 88 against Denver.

Again, cherry picking games and stats don't work.

Over the season, RT has played extremely well. That's why he's the starter and Moore is the back-up. RT is better.

End of debate. lol

 

Correction on the Ravens stats: Ravens are #7 defense by points allowed (according to nfl.com), and RT posted a 63.1 rating against them:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm

In any case, if you compare passer rating allowed to what RT did:
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-average-team-passer-rating

RT vs. NE was 93.5-83.8 = 9.7 passer rating points above what NE gives up, 97.4-86.8 = 10.6 above what Pittsburgh gives up, and 63.1-86.2 = -23.1 below what Baltimore gives up. That's an average of -0.9 passer rating points from the average those teams have given up, so he's average.

Across all his 2016 games, he's +4.65 above what teams have given up (based on last week's passer ratings allowed.. didn't update it after this week but it's probably similar).. either way that's all well within the range of average performance:
https://i.imgsafe.org/3f81eb801b.png


EDIT: I see what you did.. you wrote Ravens but meant Seattle! So against Seattle it's 74.8-83.4 = -8.6, so against playoff teams Tannehill is +3.9 passer rating points above average.. essentially the same as for non-playoff teams.

 

Keep telling yourself that tannehill is a franchise qb. Here is a hint, if you need to keep making qualifiers to justify his play he isn't. He scored 3 points the first half against the patriots. He scored 0 points in 55 minutes vs the rams (who pretty much went 3abd out the entire game). Is moore a franchise qb, no of course not. Is he is as good as tannehill, I think so. If tannehill was on the open market he wouldn't be as highly sought after as everybody seems to think. Yes he would be signed but it would be like joey harrjngton when he signed here. Replaced a few years later.

 

That's median. Not average. There is a difference.

 

All of the advanced metrics are bearish on tannehill for a reason

 

Does anybody here think the outcome of the last two games would be any different if tannehill didn't get hurt?

 

Umm, over the year he's played about slightly above median. 14th ish as of last week. That can change by the end of the year

If that is extremely well, then I see the disconnect. Your extremely well is lower than ours. Which is fine.

 

I keep telling myself that I only care if Gase and co think he is a Franchise QB... do not really care if people not in the know don't think so. Especially people who showed up recently just to piss on RT, during a week we all should be jumping for joy. This is what I keep telling myself

 

According to my NFL.com they are 2nd in points allowed.

 

See my edit.. you wrote Ravens but meant Seattle. I updated with Seattle.

 

Some people like to put RT in a bubble, disregard everything else about a TEAM game, and then come to a (wrong, inaccurate) conclusion.

Some people are smarter than that.

 

Disagree.

Tanny is probably close to a top 10 qb in potential. He'd be highly sought. Look at Sam Bradford. Who played decently well this year but was junk before it.

You don't get rid of Tannehill. My fear is he's good enough to win with a great team but we never put a great team together. Then we chase for a decade. Look how long it took Dallas to put together a team around Romo and romo is much better than Tanny.

Look at our defense. Chances of slim of ever winning a SB even if we scored 27 pts a game.

But you don't get rid of Tannehill. You draft and groom QBs each year a la Ron Wolf and maybe you strike gold. Maybe you don't.

I think it foolhardy not to have QBs waiting in the wings. Ask the staff who their favorite late round qb prospect is and get them.

 

Agreed. To say Moore wasn't instrumental in any way and then say if you disagree you don't know football is about as ridiculous as it gets.

 

They are saying Tannehill is "day to day" as of Monday (he was listed "week to week"), which means that they could be considering him for the New England game. The average recovery from a partially torn ACL is 4-6 weeks...they're calling Tannehill day to day after 15 days. This news may sound exciting but it absolutely terrifies me that they're rushing him back too fast.

 

I do.

 

I totally agree Key, especially if Moore can keep up some solid QB play. I have total trust that Gase will do the right thing. Me personally?..Let Ryan heal so he will be ready for next season. I think that the defense will be the reason if we lose in the playoffs, not our QB play, whether it is Moore or Tannehill

 

Moore makes very little for a backup. He's below guys like Sanchez, Sweden, Tolzien, McGloin, EJ, Henne, RG3, Gabbert, Stanton, Cassel, Hoyer, etc.

I think he's actually criminally underpaid for the caliber backup and teammate he is but your commentary supports your agenda better.

 

Moore is better because he does not cheat to win l8ke brady does

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I think it's a ridiculous question (which makes it perfect for this thread, I guess). We beat the Jets by three TDs. Yeah, Tannehill could have won that game.

The Bills game, my God, you can reverse a half dozen plays -- a pass interference that wasn't called, Carpenter's miss in OT, Ryan's decision to punt, Franks' OT kickoff coming within a foot of rolling out of bounds on the one, Franks hitting from 55, etc. -- and we lose that game. So we don't even have to switch Moore for Tannehill to change the result of that game. We won by a field goal in OT despite giving up 600 yards on defense and now people are treating the W as if it were divinely ordained. LOL, I guess.

You can imagine RT (or Moore, if a couple of errant passes get picked off instead of being incomplete) having a really bad game and we lose by 20. But maybe a slightly more likely scenario is he doesn't completely lose it in the second quarter, like Moore did, and we go into the half up by 10 or 14 instead of 7, and maybe the second half isn't so nail-biting. It's all just hypotheticals and wishful thinking.

The fact is when RT is healthy he will be back in there. We have the luxury of not having to rush him back.

The funny thing is, here we are with a sello-taped secondary and lousy linebackers. We made Tyrod Taylor look like prime Steve Young and Joe Flacco lit us up. Now we're going up against a HOF quarterback playing at his peak. Week 17 could wind up being really, really ugly for us.

On the positive side, we're going to the playoffs!

And people are fretting about Tannehill and Moore.

 

Speaking of which ..... you should go read the "Hoops Scoops" thread for the Rams game over on FH. Hoops says nothing about Tanny's struggles that day, only praises the final 6 minutes of the game. But for Moore - we should focus solely on the first half of the Bills game.

As always, the entire body of work should be analyzed.

 

The ball placement for those throws is what allows the receiver opportunity for YAC and to make a play. I don't know why people continue to try to marginalize it.

 

Yeah, except the receivers were thrown right into the defenders who then missed the tackle.

 

This thread is awesome-sauce!!

 

I'm sorry ...... you were saying?

Perfect placement allowing YAC, as DVP already had cushion. He split the defenders attempt to tackle. But again, you seem to insinuate he caught the ball with defenders draped all over him.

 

You assume that because Moore threw for 4 TD's that Ryan would have too?

It has been shown Ryan needs help with a running game to be good. The running game was horrible in the Jets game. AND the Jets blitzed like crazy too, way more then the Ravens did, and we all saw how he played there. Moore beat the blitzes...

We scored less points at home with Tanny against the Bills, If we score the exact same points with Tannehill at the Bills we lose. Got more points with Moore on the Bills turf.

Great question by you though... so thanks for the discussion.