I disagree, nobody is going to get a free pass for their poor play, especially a 7 year vet who hasn't done much of anything in the NFL, who has thrown more INT's than TD's 4 out of the 5 years that he actually saw playing time and who can't beat out 2 inexperienced QB's. If McCown can't beat out 2 young players then he isn't the better option. You don't dispose of a young QB (that cost your team a 2nd round pick) after only 1 year for an emergency QB who would step in if your starter gets injured, you just don't. That's foolish and a great way to ruin a team. Exactly, and people keep forgetting that Henne was a BPA pick and the front office even said that he represented great value at that spot. Noone thought that Henne would realistically last as long as he did, if the FO was looking for someone to replace Beck they would have chosen that player sooner.
Oh I started that thread about 2 weeks ago and got slammed for it. I thought then, what I think now...Cam/Ram was not nearly as good as we thought. It could be that Satale may even join the ranks of the others. You never know what their assesment of him is, and if they just also are looking to purge the team over these next two years and completely blow everyone out associated with the 1-15 team. I don't think that is out of the realm of possibilites.
I do really like Satele and still have high hopes for Ginn but it was just the wrong way to conduct a draft. People keep saying that it is Quinn sour grapes but that's not true. If you're going to pass up the QB you're going to get roasted no matter what, so take a player at premium position like DT or MLB (Okoye or willis). Moreover, when they couldn't trade up for Beck Mueller admitted that they would have been fine with Edwards at that spot. Maybe they should have gone with Plan "B"?
Satele looked damn good last year as a rookie and has continued to look good in TC this year. The less you hear about him, the better. Ginn had limited reps at WR last season and still had an excellent catch/drop ratio (I believe he only had 3-4 drops). From what I've read about him, he's solidified his number 1 spot and has improved his route running. Say what you want about Beck, but I really don't see any argument for questioning Ginn and Satele right now.
Seriously guys? After 1 year? If we think like that, Vernon Carey, Ronnie Brown (labele a bust by many), Jason Allen, everyone, would be off the team. Seriously.
I don't know who is calling him a bust. If the coaches cut him, it will be because they think he is a bust, and you and L2G and CNC 66 will be in an uproar about it, and many others of us will have a c'est la vie attitude. Its just a different emotional approach to Beck. Some of you guys are hyper emotional about him for whatever reason, and some of us or not for whatever reason.
Ive held my tongue on this subject for quite some time... IF Beck gets cut its for one reason and one reason alone: Parcells wants to make a statement. He wants to undo everything CamRam did. I dont think I need to list the guys they brought in who are no longer here. I STRONGLY believe Beck's talent (or lack thereof) to this point is not the key factor in all this. As you said, it's been ONE YEAR. Beck is not THEIR guy just like Cam, Randy, Capers, and the 48139018739 people that were let go weren't THEIR guys. Im sure its been said a thousand times but I'll say it again... If Parcells and Ireland had drafted Beck, we wouldn't hear ANYTHING about him being cut, period.
Then if it was ok for RamCam to do it, its ok here as well. Think we couldn't have used McMichael last year?
They realize it would be a WASTED 2nd round pick. nothing more. this team can i'll afford to waste draft picks...
I speak for myself here, I don't consider Beck a bust, but then again I am not running this team. I just hope that the FO makes the right decision. If Henne is the future, then I will support that too.
Sometimes picks are wasted man. It's a sunk cost, you can't get it back (usually) so its best to just move on. Don't take this an endorsement of cutting Beck, its not. It's just an acknowledgement of the fact BP and Co. don't care about a second round pick that somebody else made and that if they want to keep McCown over Beck they're going to do it.
Exactly, even if some of us don't agree and would rather Beck be here than McCown it's not our decision to make. We new that BP and Co. were going to clean house and buy the groceries as BP would say.
True, it happens every year. I just feel that Beck had piss poor coaching last season and was thrown into a job with no running game or Wr's and not much of an O-line to work with. now this season, he's had 17 practices and people are calling him a bust. the honest truth is, NO one knows at this point what the kid can do.
That's a fair point and I agree that they should keep him. But he has shown nothing thus far, despite having ample opportunity. If anything, be dissapointed in Beck that for all his hard work he still couldn't clearly beat out a rookie and a below mediocre McCown.
While that is true, it's the short time frame that people are objecting to. You don't give up on high draft picks after one year, it doesn't give a player enough time to develop. If Beck was in his 3rd year and not showing us anything then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But it has only been one year and last year was a disaster in terms of player development. Keeping 4 QB's on the roster isn't an uncommon occurance, and taking a roster spot away from a Junior Glymph in favor of a young talented QB isn't a bad thing IMO. But if that's the case, then there is a whole list of people on this team that Parcells and Co. didn't draft and I wonder if we'll be having this same conversation at the end of the season regarding Vernon Carey. Any good personnel guy should look at players for their value to the team and not as someone elses draft pick. If that is the mindset that Parcells and Co. have then they aren't doing this franchise any favors and may be doing more harm than good.
To be clear, I agree they should keep Beck, but keeping 4 QBs is absurd, espescially when you need that roster flexibility. It's not junior glymph's spot that a 4th QB would be taking. It's a player to be named later that is released by another team that we really like. And it is uncommon, outside of TB (who is routinely ridiculed for keeping many QBs) what other team kept 4 last season? My only point on them not caring about somebody else's pick is that they are less inclined to give that guy the benefit of the doubt. They told Beck to show them something and he apparently hasn't, right or wrong. They won't be cutting Carey b/c he's a proven player. Same with most of the other guys. some are being kept out of necessity and desperation (looking at your direction Matt Roth)
After a quick scan of last years rosters the Browns, Panthers, Raiders and 49ers had 4 QB at some point during last season. Sparano himself said that when he was in Cleveland they had 6 QB's on the roster, so it isn't as unheard of as your think. As for players being released, we could always cut one of our own if the player was someone that we really wanted. Which IMO is poor management. The Carey example was incase this regime decides not to sign him for a player that they consider "their guy", whether that be a FA or a rookie that they've chosen. Again, with the signing of Pennington and the talk about Glenn it seems that the FO is putting players that they know over players that we have.
i said this in the other thread but i'll say it again here.... parcells & co are all much better talent evaluators than all of us, and they have seen a lot more of these guys than we have. If bill & jeff & tony decide they don't feel beck has a place on this team, as unpopular as a decision as that might be around here, i'd have to side with them. it could be for any reason, who knows? but if they decide that, they probably know stuff we don't.
Maybe or maybe not. What he was saying though, was that Parcells and Co. will make the decision based on whether Beck can contribute, not what his draft position was.
I thought at the time, Edwards was the better choice. I mean I don't hate Beck at all, as I have said in other threads, I think Beck would make the best kind of "best friend" you could ever have.....he just comes off as that kind of guy, you know a real good beer buddy (that is if he drank beer ). But so far he has been a huge disappointment. Does this team have the luxury of waiting on him ? I don't know that we do, since yes its rebuilding, but there also is an urgency to win some games, especially after last year.
and trust me they know stuff we cannot even guess about. We have to leave it up to them, and we can be pissed at them, but in the end we need to trust they will make the best decisions.
If he was a wasted pick, what do you want them to do? Should we keep Eddie Moore just because we didn't want to acknowledge that he was a bust.
Why not, lets resign eddie Blake At least moore was around 3 years! http://www.nfl.com/players/eddiemoore/careerstats?id=MOO275398
