Which scheme is it again that hides 8 of your 11 players on defense? Sometimes 7 if someone has a good day?
Scheme can only hide so much. Players actually have to step up, prepare, and perform. Some of the guys we have do not have the physical and/or mental ability to be a regular starter without being totally exposed. They can help us on special teams, but right now we don't have a choice but to play them. Hopefully our situation will improve in the future.
Didn't this happen in 1993? When Miami was 9-3 and then Troy Vincent, Jarvis Williams, and Louis Oliver. Leaving only JB Brown, which really isn't that special. Also, John Offerdahl had his injury as well. Which is a huge reason why Miami lost the next four games. Also injuries to Dan Marino and Scott Michell.
One starter who has been injured the last two years. Two undrafted free agents and a street free agent and a special team ace. Then getting to the point at safety where he has a street free agent, a special teams ace, and other players. It is not even like his players have had a full year in the system so the players are still messing up.
These guys are not bums and you can't put it all on the players. Last year's defense was less talented and performed better. When has vance ever been a part of a top defense? What exactly has vance shown to indicate he is a great coach or a defensive wizard? Fact is he has shown nothing excuses don't cut it for long in this Llegue. There is no reason why you guys should be riding vance's nuts if he has never actually accomplished anything. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
Apparently Vance joseph is the new tannehill on these boards expected to produce a championship defense with a squad half full of backups and third stringers. Funny how he's at the top of the list on san Francisco and denver's head coaching lists but our posters know better. This place is unreal at times
Remember, the same could be said in reverse... There is no reason for the uprising if none of the uprisers haven't coached on a NFL staff. Tweedle Dum - Meet Tweedle Dee!
This is my first post..hope to not offend but I was at the game yesterday. Patriots offense could do whatever they want. Dolphins had no chance. The first thing I said to my son was the Defense coordinator is stupid. He doesn't adjust to game situations and he doesn't blitz. He's a loser and needs to go away if Dolphins have any future. its a miracle they are in the playoffs. An absolute miracle
The part that baffles me the most is where has everyone been the last 7-8 weeks? All of a sudden the problems on this defense is a revelation to people? This is pretty much the same defense minus turnovers from game to game. I was in attendance at the Raven game and it could have been the worst defensive game I have ever seen. Guys were open all over the field...huge cushions.. no pressure and Ravens could do whatever they wanted. I was shocked how bad they looked. I knew we were using backups due to injuries but it was awful. I drive home to NY and all I heard about was how bad Tannehill played. Not too much talk about the defense and such. Just how the offense was the problem. Blaming Vance Joseph at this point is a waste of time. He has been dealing with these issues all year long. You thought the defense was bad yesterday? I have no idea what alot of you have been missing. Go watch that Raven game if you can. The Dolphins were the 85 Bears yesterday in Comparison
Firstly, the defense is not required to blitz as much as other defenses. The requirement is to get to the QB with your front four. Miami blitzed several times. On the long TD, Miami blitzed (they brought six) and got burned. It wasn't a bad blitz because it was on a third and long. Kiko notoriously takes a bad angle, the safety slips (which would've made it a 8-10 yard gain instead of a TD, and Lippett takes one to the chin while in pursuit). Secondly, you're really asking for trouble blitzing against a Pats team that has these "quick in space" guys if your LBs can't keep up. That's what happened with the long TD. Kiko bad angles it, the pursuing safety unfortunately slips going for a big hit, and it was off to the races. What the Pats do well is get the ball out. That's just not against Miami. That's against everyone. Miami notoriously starts off slow (on both sides of the ball). Miami started the game with THREE straight three-and-outs. They didn't even change the field of play; the Pats, on their second drive, starts in Miami's territory. It's a TEAM sport. And even at the beginning of the season, Gase admitted that the defense was playing really well, but the offense wasn't complimenting them. It was a big ask against the Pats anyway, but this defense plays well with complimentary football. If the offense struggles and the D has to turn right back around and get on the field (one drive chewed up a mere 50 seconds), the D tires out. So while folks are talking about Vance Joseph, why not point to Adam Gase?? He calls the plays on offense. Does he get a pass for the 1-4 start or the three straight three-and-outs?? Last I checked, it's a team sport, fellas. This defense plays well when the offense can sustain drives. It's not always perfect, but they have shown some damn fine play this year compared to in years past. It's the first year for everyone, coaches included. See the positives. Vance Joseph is highly regarded for a reason. Just like Adam Gase is highly regarded. That's why Gase didn't take the job in SF. He was being forced Tomsulo and Gase wanted Joseph. And from all accounts, Gase REALLY wanted that SF job. Miami got lucky to get both. No one says it's perfect. But there have been more big plays with this defense than in years past. This D has won games for us. Scheme only covers up mental/physical liabilities so much. Sometimes the players simply have to make the plays. They aren't. It's not always coaching. Miami is 10-6 for a reason, and Vance Joseph is a big reason why.
Some people like to be in past the head. Fin D likes to be in deeper than the head. He prefers the whole thing.
You just posted a lot of reasons while the Patriots are good but I don't see any reasons why you think the defense is good...well, when your last in the league in defense, I guess that's a big ask as you say..I hate when people make excuses instead of facing the simple truth. I watched the Baltimore game on TV..it was the same as with New England..the defense is too spread out and the corners play incredible soft...and the safeties play deep out field...Its like they are not even there
The Edelman touchdown was a perfect example of why this defensive scheme sucks, edelman had nobody on him at the line at the time of the snap, the blitz by McCain was completely telegraphed, Rambo the saftey was playing 12 yards off overage on a 3rd and 7, when the ball is snapped Rambo starts to backpedal instead of come forward to stop the quick pass and first down, Kiko is asked to disingage his blitz at the line to run all the way to the slot and cover the wide reciever edelman before the ball comes out. Quick throw and catch from Brady to edelman it was like taking candy from a baby we practically handed them the first down. That was all scheme the only player that really ****ed up there was rambo slipping and whiffing on th3 tackle, but even if he had tackled edelman we would have still given up the first down. The cryptonite of the wide nine are quick throws over the middle, and when we play off coverage like we have for most of the season we are gifting them all the underneath and over the middle stuff which is killing us. Vance has not done anything to do fix that, playing press and jamming at the line with safeties over top will fix that. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
exactly! Watch the Ravens!. They play defense..Miami plays prevent defense during the game..they suck
I know we've had quite a few starters out throughout the season, but even after the first game, I've not been that impressed with Vance Joseph. I just don't sense a great defensive minded coach. Maybe I'm not seeing his genius but I think I know what I would like to see... VJ gets hired by Denver and we hire Wade Phillips as DC
Remember Wade taking AJ Green out of the game by doubling him all game then the next week we do the opposite? How'd that work out? Yeah, we could have been 12-4 with a top defense.
I totally understand your point. But you have a one-on-one on the outside. I don't know the call for Rambo, but the one-on-one sort of dictates his actions. He's a speedy dude, so the tackle should have happened, even if it gave up the first. Blitzes, many of the times, are telegraphed. Ever heard the phrase "live by the blitz, die by the blitz"? My issue with the blitz is that McCain should've covered instead of asking Alonso to do it. McCain was doing pretty decent against Edelman for a 2nd year guy in a new system. But you pick your side. McCain blitzing could have given enough pressure on the throwing side to elicit a bad throw. It's not atypical. And even Brady makes bad throws every once in a while. So does A-a-Ron Rodgers with a clean pocket. Miami wasn't getting pressure to Brady. He chose to blitz and lost. It happens. Won't be the first time and it won't be the last. This wasn't a middle of the field toss. And regarding the Baltimore game, again, you choose your poison. Joseph chose to not let the receivers get deep. That happened. He bet on his bad-*** D-line to get to Flacco. It didn't. The turf didn't help things, either. Who was the player of the game? Dennis Pitta, who hadn't scored a TD up until that game. The reason they scored? The defense forced a turnover. In fact, early in the game, Miami had an INT INSIDE Ravens territory and ended up punting. How many times has Miami had a long kickoff return or punt return only to punt it back?? I can count at least three times. This is a very similar situation. Everyone blames the defense, but what about the many missed opportunities on offense?? The team (I emphasize TEAM) had a bad game. It happens. Miami has young coaches and a young squad. The offense didn't score until the fourth quarter. Tannehill had three INTs. It was kind of bad all over. I'm only taking Joseph's side because it's not always apparent that this defense has progressed in some areas. I would point to the turnover department. The splash plays. Critical sacks. Critical turnovers. It's not perfect, but give the dude a break. He's doesn't exactly have the best talent out there. The injuries have killed this defense more than you can imagine. But in the end, it's a team game. Sometimes the defense doesn't compliment the offense and vice versa. That's okay. Many of us thought this was a 6-8 win team at best! We're going to the freaking playoffs, man!
Miami allowed one TD that game. It could've been a lot worse. People praise Gase, yet are hammering Joseph? Where'd the offense go? I think many would agree the talent Denver has on D versus Miami's is vastly....different. Joseph credits Phillips. Joseph was also on the staff with Phillips when the Texans had a top-10 offense and defense, yet went 2-14. Denver wins Super Bowl 50 with Kubiak, just a couple of seasons removed from Kubiak getting fired. His first choice as DC? Joseph. Do you think for a second that Kubiak knows a little about Joseph? The reason Joseph couldn't go was because of the Bengals. It's that simple. I'm not saying Joseph is HC material, etc. I'm saying that he's a pretty good coach, and I have seen some things on this defense (despite the injuries) that make me believe he can work to improve this defense. Hell, we have nowhere to go but up, eh? The reason I point out the Texans record is to note that it's not always about the overall yards gained/allowed. Everyone knows they suck on our team. But again, on a team not so full of talent, we've managed to win some tough ones on offense AND defense. It sucks now, but give the guy a little credit. Give the entire staff credit. We're in the playoffs.
When you have second and third stringers the only and I repeat only defense you can play is prevent, bend but don't break. Someone wondered why safety Rambo was playing twelve yards deep on 3rd and 7. Because he doesn't have the skill to play closer. You risk him getting beat over the top. You play bend but don't break and hope the other team makes a mistake before scoring. You concede the yards. No one here really knows what a Vance joseph defense actually looks like because he doesn't have the players to run it. We're not running his defense. We 're running the defense we're forced to run given the talent level or lack or talent level he's been given. This is a stop gap defense. If he comes back next year and we add the right pieces then we'll all see what his defense looks like
Bull**** excuse, you don't play 12 yards off on 3rd and 7 when you know you have the blitz on and the ball is coming out quick, talent or no talent on that play you have to take away the hot read and play to stop the first down. The point of the wide nine and a blitz is to get to the quarterback quickly and force him to throw the ball quickly, which means your coverage has to concentrate on the quick throws not the deep throw. It was a stupid *** call to leave edelman free at the line and have the safety play 12 yards off and backpedling when you know the blitz is on. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
So, even I was a little off. Just got through watching Gase's presser: "Great call by Joseph" is what was said by Gase. He said Kiko was out of position to make the tackle to stop him for the first. I'm assuming the call was for Kiko to fake the blitz and move pre-snap to the wideout, which would've put in in much better position to stop the play or even undercut it. Kiko stuck around the LOS too long. Again, "great call". Gase noted that the communication between the "playcaller and the players" has been off. And if the players aren't doing with what is asked of them, things happen. This is likely what has been happening with a lot of the issues. Sometimes the calls are off, but sometimes the players aren't doing the right things. No one can say this defense is great considering the lack of talent. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that Vance is a good coach. Players do not always do what they're told; or take the wrong angles, etc. People do not always do what is asked of them, even at a professional level. There are a bunch of new guys on this defense, and all are in their first year in this type of D (with the exception of Suh and maybe someone else I'm missing). I think it's been tough on Joseph to get these guys to play sound football at times. But when it's done right, you get Kiko running down the sidelines in San Diego for a dagger in the heart TD. This was a similar playcall (per Gase) and Kiko whiffed.
It was a bad call still, you think new england didn't study the san diego game? Brady knew exactly what was up. That type of call works when opponents are not expecting it the dolphins have run it so many times now I don't know who they think they are fooling. They would have been better off blitzing kiko and leaving mccain to cover the wide out. And the safety does have something to do with it, there is no excuse for playing 12 yards off and back pedalling on a 3rd and 7 with the blitz on. I'm not saying the players executed it perfectly, but it was a bad call nonetheless they are not surprising anybody anymore with that. Thay are being too predictable. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
I don't think it was predictable at all. I questioned it myself after watching it. I thought it would've been appropriate for McCain to cover Edelman as well, but you leave a second-year guy against a very savvy wideout....one-on-one....in an open space. The outcome very well could've been the same. The play design was very good. Hell, I bet most are at the professional level. The execution was poor. IF Kiko did as was asked, he has a chance to undercut, and definitely has a chance to stop him before the first. Just poor execution. It happens. It sucks. In ANY scheme, of it's done right, it looks good. If it's done poorly, you get plays like this.
You don't know what you're talking about. If you have Rambo play within 7 yards the patriots are dialing it deep. Rambo is going to be toast and instead of a death by a hundred cuts you get instant death by a bomb
Rambo almost Rambo'd Edelman on that play as well. He came out like a bat outta hell. Just a tad off.
I didn't say play within 7 yards, but certainly within 10 yards and ready to jump on the hot rout which was edelman. With the blitz on brady has no time to dial it up and go deep. He is looking to get it out quick on the hot read. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
Rambo wasn't even close to hitting Edelman. Edelman had already cut the angle and was off to the races before rambo was even close, it would have been a big hit if rambo had gotten there as the ball was being caugt but he was playing so far off he had no chance edelman saw him coming from a mile away. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
Just to add, I think (by design), the reason Rambo was off was to seal anything getting pass Kiko. Hell, he nearly saved that play himself. Safety has gotta safety.
He could have played off, but not 12 yards off and backpeddaling at the snap. Edelman is not exactly Usain bolt and with the blits on there was no time to throw it that deep. Rambo took himself completely out of the play when everybody knew they had to Throw it quick. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
Not true. You're reeling now and trying to make your safety argument stick. The safety nearly saves the play. It was "bang bang" if you will, where Rambo just hits the wrong angle and slips as he's coming back. Here's my question: WHY would you play the safety closer to the LOS when you have a one-on-one with a big a$$ Floyd on the outside? You're toast before the play even begins! Does that make sense to you whatsoever? One of the responsibilities of the safety is to keep things in front of him. Not let the outside guys slip by with a one-on-one! The design was good! The execution was poor! Let me break it down for you: (You blitz FORCING the quick throw short on a 3rd and long. That call dictated the throw. You just made them do what you wanted them to do! Win win, right? Because you know what's going to happen instead of reacting.) - Kiko fakes, but has the potential for an undercut pick-6 or tackle before the first. You don't send McCain for a number of reasons, but I think you have to think Kiko can bring him down faster than a smaller McCain. - The one-on-one to the outside sort of keeps the safety at bay. That's football. - BUT, if things don't go as planned, you have the other two defenders who peel off to stop a big play. - But three pretty bad things happen on that play: - Kiko is late getting outside - Rambo slips/takes a bad angle - Pursuing defender gets rocked The three things you don't want happening happened on one play which allowed that TD. I'm not talking to you anymore about this play, okay? You can have the last word and let's just let it go.
Again, he can play off, but not that far off, lippett was also playing off, and again if the blitz was on you know they were going quick to the hot route the safety didn't have to worry so much about the deep ball. You cant expect kiko to peel off the line at the snap and get to edelman in time to stop that throw. They caught lightning in a bottle once with that defensive call against san diego, but they have run it several times now and offenses know whats up. They need to change things up. Thats just my opinion it is unexcusable to give up a touchdown like that both the coaches and the players deseve blame. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
I understand. And you're right if we have starters playing. Rambo doesn't have the recovery speed to play too close. You have to compensate for his physical limitations somehow. And you do that generally by giving him extra cushion
I think one guy in particular has gotten a free pass recently, and that is #47. Alonso has played like absolute dog **** recently....I am talking bad fills and gap assignments, bad blitzing, bad coverage, and obviously bad communication out there. He's the Mike. He's got the green dot on his helmet, he needs to play better. Everyone is kind of glossing over this cat cause of the SD game, and they 49ers stop, but I truly think he needs to be called out for his recent play. Its been awful.
