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What Happens with Matt Moore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Jan 11, 2017.

What Happens w/ Matt Moore for the 2017 Season?

  1. He stays in Miami for 2M a year

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  2. He stays in Miami with a raise

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  3. He gets traded to start somewhere else

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  4. (for Finster) Matt starts for Miami over RT17

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  5. Matt Moore decides to retire

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  1. Ohio Fanatic

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    exactly. He comes across as someone that is prepared to play, but also comfortable being the backup.
    and even though he might have been courted by one or two teams, there wasn't a lot of traffic beating down his door in a league deficient at QBs.
     
  2. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Got it. :knucks:
     
  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree nearly 100%.

    However, it's proven that RT is better at ball security and, to me at least, means we had a better chance at winning that Pittsburgh game. Because, and as you know, those 3 TO's committed by Moore were the back breakers in that game.
     
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  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    lol...man, you're really reaching here.

    Ajayi needed a fire lit under him. Gase did that.
     
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  5. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Ajayi never should've been benched. The guy always looked like a YAC monster to me. He just runs so damn hard. It's why I was frustrated with Miller when he was here, he wasn't getting YAC. You just don't start 1-4 to make a statement. Gase lucked into Ajayi like he did Moore.

    Both backups outperformed the starters. Get that through your head. Gase didn't do anything spectacular. Evaluate the wins. They came against losing teams. Every single one except the Steelers without Big Ben.

    I'm not looking for a reaction. I'm telling you. And I will tell you I told you so if we have a more balanced schedule and we underperform. But I hope we get help at LB, S, C and I'm wrong because I'm tired of never getting anywhere in the postseason. I really do think the Moneyball strategy is the way to go here.


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  6. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    So Gase went 1-4 just to light a fire under Ajayi?


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  7. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Again, cherry picking will do nothing. At least it won't accomplish what you're trying to do.

    Besides, this horse has been beaten too much.

    Tannehill is the starter for the Miami Dolphins. Matt Moore will never be unless there's an injury.

    That alone makes you wrong.
     
  8. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Cherry picking? You mean comparing apples to apples? As in both QBs on the same team with nearly the same cast? Actually, Moore didn't have Pouncey or as many incredible rushing games.

    It's a mistake to pay Tannehill ten times the amount of a backup that performed better. You still haven't explained why it's the smart thing to do.


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  9. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think Drake should be starting over Ajayi...His yards per rush is better. He outperformed the starter!...see how that goes.It's silliness. I am thankful Moore played well, I hope he stays around. There is ZERO chance he starts here if Ryan is healthy. That is a FACT. I hate to downplay Moore and his play, but he did exactly what he was paid to do, fill in for a period of time and keep things moving forward..Thank God. Anybody trying to compare ratings or stats over a 4 game period and forming conclusions are being disingenuous......too small a sample size unless you are trying to push an agenda
     
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  10. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Okay, Drake has one stat over Ajayi. Yet Ajayi is still statistically better overall the same way Moore is over Tannehill with the same supporting cast.

    For the record, I always thought Moore was better. The stats only cement that thought.


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  11. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Just because you either don't understand or won't accept the explanation doesn't mean you haven't been given one.

    MM has started 28 games in his 9 years of being in the league. (3 starts this year) There's a reason for that low number.

    He completed 52 passes in those 3 starts this year. That's not enough of a sample size to prove anything. yet here you are claiming that he's starting QB quality. lol....
     
  12. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The comparison I made with Drake was ridiculous... yet you are ok with it. Wow... Using stats over a small sample and making grand claims over it mostly are hollow. 4 games for Moore show one thing, he is capable over a short period of games to be productive. Believing Gase should start him over stats over 4 games is amateurish


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  13. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, he's been a part of some bad teams. Have you ever seen any QBs you thought were promising and their careers died with bad franchises? The most extreme example would be David Carr. And don't say I'm making an analogy, it's the most extreme example.

    Yes, because I saw what Moore did when he replaced Henne. I saw what he did when he replaced Tannehill against the Jets (forgot which year). Now I see what he did this season. I've also seen how underwhelming Tannehill has been for being the 8th overall pick and being paid $20M per season now and I don't want to be throwing good money after bad.


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  14. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    No. You're confused. What you said was a fact. I'm saying it's myopic. Read my response to danmarino for my argument against the "sample size."


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  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is debatable that Matt Moore did better than Ryan Tannehill. If you just look at stats, then maybe you can make an argument. However, football is much more than stats.

    I do not have a subscription to pro football focus, however, they graded Tannehill at 80.8 over the year of 2016.

    Matt Moore's four games
    Jets: 82.2
    Bills: 43.0
    Patriots: 63.5
    Steelers: 43.1

    So according to their analysis Matt Moore had one game where he was good, one game where he was O.K. and two games where he was pretty bad.

    The Bills game is a great example of how stats can not tell the whole story. Looking at stats it looks like he had a decent game. However, most of his yards, including one that went for a touchdown, came after a very short pass, and then some broken tackles.

    I will admit. I was wrong about Matt Moore. I thought Miami would be better off without him. He is a fine backup quarterback. The idea of him being a starter is akin to pretty much giving up on the season as a whole.
     
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  16. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What I said about Drake was a fact using that fact to come to conclusion that he's better than a Ajayi is insane ...putting all things aside and being completely honest do you see anyway Moore starts at quarterback next year over Tannehill if he's not injured.. nope, I didn't think so. I'm done debating moot points


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  17. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Which is why I said you were wrong... use all of the stats, not just one.

    No, I don't have any faith in this organization. I'll support them and pray we land Wade Phillips.


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  18. jdallen1222

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    Adam Gase earned my faith. I'd trust his assessment over yours as far as which QB gives the team a better chance to win.
     
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  19. Rock Sexton

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    MM8 had no help from the running game in the Jets/Patriots/Steelers game (67/75/52 yards). Two of those games (against playoff caliber teams) the defense also gave up 20 and 21 points in the first half.

    What were Tannehill's PFF grades under similar circumstances?
     
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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    MM isn't half the QB RT is. Even with nearly double the time in the league.

    MM is a great career back-up QB. That's all he's ever been and that's all he'll ever be. No matter what things you cherry pick or how pretty you think he is, MM isn't a starting QB in this league. RT, from his first game in the NFL, has been a starting QB. Can he get better? Of course. Every QB can get better at something.

    Again, your basing your conclusion on 52 passes and 3 games. Where 2 of those games may have been won if not for MM ****ting the bed with fumbles and INT's. Hell, why not say Tim Tebow is a better QB if you're going to close your eyes, cover your ears, and blather on about MM being better with nothing to back that up.
     
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  21. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    In the 1st Pats game the Dolphins had 75 yards rushing.

    In the 2nd Pats game the Dolphins had 70 yards rushing.

    RT had nearly 400 yards passing in the 1st game.

    MM had 205 yards passing in the 2nd game.

    In the 1st game the defense gave up 3 TD's in 18 minutes.

    In the 2nd game the defense gave up 2 TD's and a 2 FG's in 18 minutes.

    In the 1st game the Dolphins lost by 7 points.

    In the 2nd game the Dolphins lost by 21 points.

    In both games the Pats scored over 30 points (31 and 35 respectively)
     
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  22. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You can't accuse people of cherry picking stats and small sample sizes, then turn around and give me only the Pats game.
     
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  23. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'm giving you that to prove that you're wrong on 33% of just that one post. I'm at work, however, maybe later I can show you how MM played worse that RT in those other two games also. (Off the top of my head, MM may have played a little better in the Jets game)
     
  24. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    OK, well Tannehills PFF grade vs. the Jets in Miami during Week 9 was only 46.4. That's with Ajayi having 24 rushes for 111 yards and a TD.

    Moore put up an 82.2 playing in New York with no run game. See what I did there?
     
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  25. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I'm basing it on every game Moore has played as a Dolphin. He's done well with a bad squad and better than Tannehill with the same squad. What do you mean nothing to back it up? The stats disagree. It's not cherry picking. Moore has more than 52 passes and 3 games as a Dolphin.

    There's a deep divide between fans when it comes to Tannehill that will likely never be settled. I'll drop it but with current events I wanted to add more to the debate.

    Anyway, I'd like Wade Phillips as DC. I don't trust Gase to make the right decision.


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  26. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Wait...I thought Rock didn't think Moore should start over Tannehill?

    Give them enough time to post, and the truth always becomes clear.
     
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  27. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I'm guessing you're still hungover from your celebration of a Matt Moore-led Dolphins losing in the playoffs last weekend. It was practically your Super Bowl.

    I'm simply asking people who provide stats to provide the proper context. I've already made my stance clear on the issue. There are other people on this thread who are making the claim you're starting **** with me over. Learn to read and get off my junk already.
     
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  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yet I don't see you arguing with the guys saying that Moore should start. That's my point.
     
  29. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I don't have to. That's what you're here for.

    I already stated my age concerns with Cuthulain in a prior conversation.
     
  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Cherry picked? Yes, I see it well.
     
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    There is a principled way of doing this. There's a statistical test called a t-test that allows you to determine if two sets of data are different, statistically speaking, from each other. And there's a version that works even when the two sets are unequal sizes (two different sample sizes) and where each isn't assumed to have the same variance, etc..

    Anyway, I can't find any significant difference between Tannehill's and Moore's 2016 stats whether you look at passer rating, Y/A, etc.. so it's probably not too useful to try to argue this based on stats alone.

    Just keep in mind why this is the case: the sample size (especially for Moore) is small enough that it would take a HUGE difference (to your eyes) or a VERY consistent moderately-sized difference before a statistical test would say the two sets of data are significantly different.

    So for the Tannehill vs. Moore debate stats aren't going to be a great differentiator. Better to use what you saw on film to argue for one or the other.
     
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  32. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    All 3 games and all 52 passes? Whoa there tiger! That's a lot of info for you to process, you don't want to blow a circuit. lol

    And Wade will not be the DC. From all the signs and reports Matt Burke is the DC.
     
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  33. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Like the fumbles and other bone headed plays? lol
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    why don't you trust gase? Because he starts Ryan over Moore? The ajayi benching?... sorry haven't read your first post, maybe it was in there.
     
  35. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    because his name isn't Bill Belichick, that's why.
     
  36. Fin-O

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    I agree with this...

    With Ryan being much more talented than Tebow or Moore it is also why Im excited to see the more talented QB perform with another year of Adam Gase under his belt.
     
  37. dirtylandry

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    That to me is incredible still. Could he be possibly out of camp this summer? What a gamble


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  38. Rock Sexton

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    They're not being very direct about the situation right now.
     
  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I probably haven't thought to much about that particular point when criticizing Ryan.

    Gase at the end of his presser proclaimed that if he can get Ryan to "scramble more, even run more it will help our team greatly"
     
  40. danmarino

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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-notes-0112-20170111-story.html

    "We're still going through that process right now with the trainers, with what our next step is, where his health is, how strong is his knee," Gase said at the Dolphins' end-of-season news conference, adding, "we're still collecting information, doctors are still giving us what possibly could be down the road so it's hard for us to really pinpoint anything as of this moment right now."
     

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