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Stop Crying about Chris Hogan

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Jan 24, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Please! He was with Buffalo the last 4 seasons, this is not Miami's fault. Since 2012 in Buffalo, he had under 1,000 yards and Buffalo failed to put a higher tender on him when he was a FA, an $800,000 difference. NE swooped him up. This year in NE, he had a decent season due to injuries and oh, the best qb ever. This is not a bone head move by Miami. And most important, he is one of those "one game heroes" for NE, like Dion Lewis was in Rd 2. You see, Brady can take anyone's garbage and utilize it properly for a day. NE will have another hero helping Brady out to win the SB.


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  2. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Please don't let them win the SB.
     
  3. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    We had him too lol
     
  4. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Dion Lewis was here?


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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    No, he wasn't.
     
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  6. StairwayToSeven

    StairwayToSeven New Member

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    Hogan is a JAG, very mediocre... which puts him 5 notches above the Steelers secondary.
     
  7. iamtiv

    iamtiv Active Member

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    It's amazing more teams can't learn from New England. When other teams try to have that much movement and misdirection, they just wind up confusing themselves and getting 'illegal shift' penalties all over the place.
    Watching the Patriots play the Dolphins is like watching Stephen Hawkings play chess against Corky.
    Adam Gase, as a playcaller, does not belong in the same stadium as Belichik/McDaniel (with Belichick being the architect).
    In terms of man to man physical talent, New England's offensive line is not better than Miami's, it's just 10 times smarter and better coached.

    Usually, when a coach succeeds, you can see his direct input play out in front of you. I watch Miami all year long and I still don't really get why we were better, other than only winning one game against a team that finished over 500, a team that then crushed us 2 weeks ago.
    We Almost lost to bad teams on 7 different occasions. The win vs the Browns only occurring because an emergency kicker missed an extremely makeable FG. Losing that game and going 0-4 would've imploded the team and season.
    Whether being consistent and likeable, at least the Dolphins had a 'play hard' and belief in themselves so that's really the only positive takeaway from Adam Gase year one. That is very important so I'll just cross my fingers and hope that it matters and that Gase learned a lot and can be a MUCH better play-caller next year because he needs to be.
     
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  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Sorry, was thinking of Lamichael James.
     
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  9. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    I'm still trying to figure out who is the genius between Belichick and McDaniels. One of them must be a football genius cause nobody can seem to replicate that offensive system. They can seemingly insert anybody in their line-up and it still works. So, McDaniels did not fare too well as a head coach, yet, if I'm not mistaken, the Patsies have only won superbowls while he was the acting OC.
     
  10. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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  11. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Ernie Adams
     
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  12. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I was genuinely upset when we traded him because it was Matt Moore saying on Hard Knocks, "We call him Seven-11 because he's always open." When a veteran QB is saying that, you listen.

    Honestly he's not missed though- he would not have started this season over Parker, Landry or Stills. I just hate that he's having success in NE.
     
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  13. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    NE offense is ridiculously complex. Contrast that with Manning/Moore's offense which was ridiculously simple. I read somewhere the offense will head to the line with several options depending on defensive alignment, and this will be determined without any checks or audibles. All unspoken.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He wasn't traded. He was cut. He was a Brian Manning type player. He was always open without pads. Once pads went on, he was pretty mediocre.

    It is too bad Miami didn't try to develop him, because he is obviously worth a spot (due to his success in Buffalo) and it wasn't like Miami was the strongest at Wide Receiver until the last two years.

    Still, he is more of a, "man, it would have been nice to have a decent 5th receiver the last couple of years" type of a player.
     
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  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tom Brady..

    End thread.
     
  16. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    You spelled Bill Belichick + cheating wrong...



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  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Riiiiight.

    It's not the system.
     
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  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Chris Hogan is just further proof of New England's cheating. It should be impossible for a team to be as consistently unstoppable as New England is in today's NFL. Especially with a roster of mediocre c*%$s like Chris hogan and Edelman. But when the team knows the exact defense they face every play it's a huge advantage. But keep praising them for a system of systematic cheating. The tell all book will come eventually. I just hope I'm alive to read it and see Brady and belicheats busts hauled out of Canton.
     
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  19. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I love that the c-bomb isn't filtered.


    Hahaha
     
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  21. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Whoops! I figured that would definitely get filtered, and didn't even notice that it wasn't. I doctored it up a little. Sorry mods.

    But seriously, they are major c&^!s
     
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  22. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Quite a few of these ....

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  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You know you made it happen
     
  24. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Your hate is so deep you can't even appreciate what you are witnessing. It seems as if your hate is even clouding your thoughts.

    New England is one of the Greatest teams to ever play the game. They win because they all totally buy into their genius coaches philosophy. Their foundation is so strong that they literally can take almost any player and make them good to great. I.e 7-11

    Call it a "system" , "gimmick" whatever - it works.

    Every Patriot player works their *** off and helps each other be the best they can be. They expect greatness from each other - from the top down. Anything short is unacceptable. They understand and believe to their core there is no trophy for second place. Anything short of a Super Bowl win is failure.

    I ask you this though - Do you see that here??

    While dolphins players are out at the club's New England players are studying film and eating dinner together. They live and breathe football that's their job. They accept it because it's expected - they are professionals FULL TIME.

    Most Dolphins fans and.Players are happy with just making the playoffs - and that my friend is the difference
     
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  25. MikeHoncho

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    Ernie Adams is that genius IMO.


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  26. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No they won some with Weiss as the OC. It's Belichick and Brady. The only common denominator.
     
  27. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Ernie Adams is the man who BB goes to when he's stumped.
     
  28. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know who he is. I'm not convinced yet of his worth as those in the booth with him says he'll get it wrong 3 times on on the 4th one get it right and says, "see??"
     
  29. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    One person said that AFTER spygate.

    There's a reason he's tied to Belicheat's hip.
     
  30. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We are talking game day calls though, no? I know Adams is a statistical savant, but we're talking Weiss and McDaniels being OC, calling good games etc. Adams is the guy doing research and telling Belichick, hey, go for 2 points whenever X happens.

    But he's not a game day type of guy from what I've read.
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    He's got his own direct line down to the field. He's very involved on game day.


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  32. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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  33. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    And when Belichick asks him, "What have we got?" in return he gets the exact defense the opposing team will deploy on that play. Which is relayed to the QB well after the NFL mandated cutoff. Everyone else thinks they see the greatest QB of all time. I see a QB who knows exactly where the defense is going to be on almost ever snap just throwing the ball where the defense isn't going to be. I've said it once and I'll say it again - it's like playing Texas Hold 'Em and knowing your opponents down cards. That's the advantage the Patriots have, and that's why they make it look easy. Because it is easy when teams cheat like they do. The truth is coming. Those waxing poetic about them will be the only ones surprised.
     
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  34. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    This is probably a lot closer to the truth than them just being light years better than anyone else...ever.
     
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  35. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The niners won how many Super bowls? With two different QBs. Before Rice was even there. From 1981 to 1994. 5 for 5.

    They are not light years better than anyone else ever. Otto Graham. Steelers. You're trying to build them up higher than they are to try and knock them down. Quite silly really.

    Again, I asked earlier in another thread (or was it this one), where is the source for the Flutie/Helmet allegation. Flutie is not on record saying it. The guy he told is not on record. The closest source we have, is Dan Lebatard reciting the rumor of it, and then a book writer using that recital of the rumor as the source.

    Where is the source for the Flutie allegation. I'd like to see it.
     
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  36. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    As the scandal broke (Spygate), the NFL was investigating a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during the Jets game, sources told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, who reported at the time that the Pats did not “have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.”

    Quarterbacks communicate with the sidelines via microphones in their helmets that pick up an NFL-monitored radio frequency. An NFL sideline official cuts off communications on this frequency 15 seconds before the play clock runs out.

    O’Leary — who uses data crunched by a Las Vegas bookie and a Ph.D. statistician from China with no previous familiarity with Spygate — suggests Patriots “director of football research” Ernie Adams, a prep-school chum of Belichick from Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., was the nerve center behind the chicanery.

    Offensive plays would be called based on stolen signals and the information relayed straight to Brady’s helmet, O’Leary theorizes.

    In this scenario, the extra frequency is critical, as it allows the team to do something in real time with the stolen signals, out of earshot of the NFL monitor, and change its plays accordingly.

    If there’s an open channel during the play itself, you can also alert the quarterback to open receivers he may not see.

    O’Leary repeats a rumor that Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

    “He was amazed that the coaches kept right on speaking to Brady past the 15-second cutoff, right up until the snap,” according to O’Leary.

    “The voice in Tom Brady’s helmet was explaining the exact defense he was about to face.”

    That same year, Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from. Three years later, he said he was as surprised as anyone to hear about the cheating allegations.

    Action from then-rookie  Commissioner Goodell  was suspiciously swift, critics said.


    http://nypost.com/2014/10/12/they-are-cheaters-spygate-the-nfl-scandal-that-started-it-all/
     
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  37. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's pointless, man. This information has been around for years, they're not going to accept it now.
     
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  38. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This is really very simple.

    There are two sides to this....those that are ok with cheating and those that aren't.

    Anyone that defends the Pats, are ok with cheating. That is why they (incorrectly) assume and accuse the other side would be ok with it if the Dolphins were doing it. They only do that because they themselves would be ok with it.

    In the end, integrity only matters for one side, and it's not the pro pats side.
     
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  39. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    ........ and the crying continues (over throughout multiple threads).
     
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  40. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    “Oh no, no, no, no,” Weis says of that popular tale, the one that has Brady, a Belichick draft pick, waiting in the wings behind owner Robert Kraft’s preferred leader, Bledsoe. “[Brady] wasn’t better than Bledsoe. In fact he wasn’t much better than [Huard]. Bledsoe was clearly the starter. The No. 2 spot, that’s where the competition was. We really could have flipped a coin to pick the second guy. We ended up picking Tommy—but it was really close.”

    http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/22/tom-brady-patriots-charlie-weis-option-routes
     
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