What is the best course of action for Jarvis

That 14 ypc average was the lowest of his career. I think we know why his catch% has been low 3 out of his 4 years in the league. He drops the ball. At least he has in Miami.

Saying that, RT isn't Drew Brees. However, I love that Stills is back and I think he and RT will only get better together.

 

His drop percentage last year was 3.2%, this year it was 2.5%. Landry was 3.0 last year. Stills has not had a drop problem.

And the 14 is not ypc. It's average depth per target. Meaning the average of all throws his way was 14 yards in the air. That's over the two years in NO (his rookie year it was 16.9). He caught 70% of targets which averaged 16.9 yards. That year. That is beyond ridiculous.

In 2014 the adot dropped to 12.6 but he caught 79% of targets.

Landry caught 80% that year, 1% higher than Stills. But his adot was 5.4 yards.

Not sure why you believe his catch percentage was low 3 out of 4. It was low 2 out of 4 both here in Miami.

 

This I agree with. I have him flat out ranked in that area to begin with and a little bump for being the devil we know. Guys like Robinson and another year of Michael Thomas probably bump ahead of him. Watkins, Cooks I probably take because of potential (as in sky's the limit with those two if they put it together).

Baldwin I think has been more productive and just as fiery. But it's close there.

 

You want to compare Landry to Fitzgerald and try to say he is as great because he is on pace to have as many if not more catches?You are looking at it all wrong.The reason Landry is not as great as Fitzgerald is very simple.Landry had only made 13 touch downs in his three years where as Fitzgerald made 24 which is 11 more TDs then Landry.It is not catches that wins games but points,So Landry only scored 78 points were Fitzgerald had made 144 in his first 3 years and that is why he is elite and Landry is not.Fitzgerald averaged just in his first three years 8 TDs a year where Landry only average 4.3.So Fitzgerald made almost twice as many TDs a year then Landry..So please tell me how you can compare Landry to Fitzgerald as in being an elite WR?By the way he made 35 TDs the next three years after that..

 

Landry in no way worth that much !!

 

Where are you getting the average depth per target info?

I love Stills. I was extremely happy that we signed him and would have still been happy if he had gotten more money. However, he has had some huge drops since he's been here. As I wrote before, RT is no Brees, but a drop is a drop.

Anyhow, and this isn't directed at you, looking only at TD's isn't a good way to judge a WR. It should be factored in, but if a person only looks at TD's he won't come to any meaningful conclusion.

 

I only compared him to Fits in regards to number of catches. He's no Fitz.

However, you've fallen right back into the TD only stat mode. That won't work.

 

If he's signed for 5yrs at $60mil that will have him being at around the 7th-9th highest paid WR as far as yearly averages go. I'd like that number to be closer to the 10th, but I'd be happy with it.

 

PFF had them as of 2014. Can't get anymore. I look at everything available. Tds. Ypc. Yards per target. Yardage. Number of catches is probably lowest on my list. Not that I dismiss it but efficiency is more important imo.

He had one bad drop in Seattle this year. But his drops are NOT an issue.

 

There is an old NFL adage that says, "Stats are for losers." I could not think of a better play to articulate this point with that Landry.

Here is a complete list of things I genuinely don't care about:
His 40 time
His frame
His cone drill
His yard per catch

Landry is not a college scout that were are pontificating on, he is a proven NFL player. This is what I do care about:

Is he gonna catch the ball if you throw it to him? Most definitely.
Is there anyone better in the league to have move the sticks on 3rd down? I can't think of many.
Is he in rhythm with Miami's quarterback (the guy actually throwing him the ball.)? Another yup.
Can he run after the catch/fight for extra yards? You better believe it.
Is he a positive influence on the team? Yes.
Does he put in effort? Yes.

I hate all of these ridiculous comparisons stating he isn't Brandon Cooks or Demaryius Thomas. Who cares? We don't have Brandon Cooks or Demaryius Thomas under contract in which we can free negotiate with. It drives me nuts that people worry about nonsense like, "Well, we can't pay him more than Thomas because Thomas is better?" If it's that simple, go sign Demaryius... Oh wait, you can't do that... We need to start living in the real world.

Really, just ask yourselves this, "Would losing Jarvis Landry significantly hurt the team?" Absolutely. If you are gonna curtail the production of our offense because of some other receiver's contract, his 40 time, or his YPC, you are insane.

 

Before my brain explodes..can you please tell me what "hops" are?

 

What Landry brings is an unrelenting warrior mentality on the field. He refuses to lose. His energy and fire are contagious. He also works as hard as anyone Ive ever read about ...he has a Jerry Rice work ethic, and he believes he can work his way into being the best WR ever. The guy is literally the heart and soul of our offense...if not our team.

 

:31 is "hops".... lol

 

Hops means leaping ability, vertical leap. In other words I'm saying he can't jump very high which is important in winning jump ball situations and being a red zone threat. Is that easier to understand?

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It amazes me that people watch that and then say, "Landry is not a playmaker".

 

Well , yeh because Im trying to understand your point of view on Jarvis Landry and I wasnt sure how you were using the word "hops". I do appreciate the explanation.

 

Who ever said landry is not a playmaker? I have said that landry is a great player who is tough, smart, and football savvy with great hands, quickness, change of direction and cutting ability. My only criticism is that he should not get top 5 wr money because he is not a top five reciever and does have some shortcomings in his skill set such as lack of size, speed and leaping ability.

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I have read multiple people say that he is not a playmaker. If you did not say that, I was not talking about you.

 

The market sets what a player is worth for the most part. Adam Gase has already said they will be more then fair to Landry, however the market is what it is. WRs didn't exactly break the bank this year in FA which kinda hurts Jarvis if hes looking for a crazy contract.

 

I keep hearing this contagious stuff and I don't give that one much credit. We like to believe that as fans, but I just don't see it. These are individuals in that locker room and they might get a little more energy on game day, but day to day, the daily grind, the after hours, I just don't buy it.

If it's true can he go rub Devante Parker's leg a little so he can catch that bug? Thanks. If Parker had that work ethic he'd be top 7 in the league.

 

You ever play football? That's a serious question and not meant to be condescending. What Landry brings to the team can't be understated. When you have a teammate giving it their all it most definitely rubs off on people and creates an atmosphere of pride and determination.

 

FINALLY!!! Comparing Jarvis with any #1WR is a mistake. He is the perfect example of a bloody "Possession Receiver." He does the most important thing a team can have to do. He makes First Downs when the team needs them. Without them, the team will piddle all over itself trying to get down the field, or even more important, out of its own end of the field. The man does the job. Pay the Man! Or watch him go to another team who knows how to use him, and beats our heads in with him.

 

No, and like I said earlier, I can see the energy rubbing off on game day. I'm talking about his work ethic causing others to work as hard, etc. day in, day out, throughout the year. If so, nothing from Cam Wake spilled over to Dion. Landry to Parker, etc. People are what they are. You might get them hyped up on game day, in the game. Even moments of clarity every once in a while.

But 365 days a year, people's personalities and tendencies will revert to their natural state. They don't get "woke."

When he was here, Reggie Bush was absolutely one of the hardest workers, putting in much more work than everyone else. And on the down low Mike Wallace busted his *** after hours, despite what the conventional wisdom is on him.

Landry is absolutely one of the hardest workers in the NFL. You want to reward him for that work ethic and production, absolutely. I just don't see that spilling over to guys who won't work as hard.

 

I understand what you're saying, but I still disagree. The goal is to get a team full of Landry's. And you have to start someplace. That's what the Pats have done and it started with Brady. His infectious desire to win over the years has created a team full of guys with the same aspirations. I think that's why some guys go there and then leave. Some guys can't handle that "100% give it your all" their entire careers. And the guys that can end up staying many years for the Pats.

 

You are never going to get a Tiger to change his stripes but you do want to build a culture and having guys like Jarvis and Cam lead by example goes a long way towards that. But leading by example only goes so far. You want guys on the team to take charge and demand better from their teammates. We know that wasn't always supported by the last regime but Gase embraces that type of attitude and encourages it.

And I do think there are other examples both good and bad on how certain players attitudes can influence others. This past year we've heard how Stills matured, it could very well be at least partially attributed to Jarvis. Conversely we saw in the Wells report how Richie's partying ways influenced others on the OL. At the time people blamed Philbin for creating the void in veteran leadership. BA filled that void the last few seasons. In fact that could be one reason we resigned Bushrod.

IMO you can't ask for a better veteran presence in the WR room than Jarvis.

 

I agree with the bold 100%. What I disagree with, is paying him extra millions because he's gonna turn everyone into a Landry. Maybe a few thousand, that's all

 

I don't think he should get top 5 money. I'm not sure what he's asking for, but I think around top 10 (current price) is fair.

 

Top 10 is fine, knowing capflation. $11-12m. Right where Baldwin is getting.

My suspicion, he's asking more.