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Crazy off season talk...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Redwine4all, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Being that we are in the crazy time of year, I'll put forth my crazy talk. Understand, I know there is 99% chance I'm totally crazy. I don't have a great football mind, and I know way less than most of you...but what are message boards for, right?

    If the FO has put out feelers to Camp Jarvis, and believe signing him is going to cost prohibitive, could we possibly trade him for a couple of picks in this draft?

    Looking at the draft board, Cleveland has #33 and #52. Would we be willing to let Jarvis go for that? Cleveland needs everything, and if they made the trade, they could end up, with their first 3 picks, Myles Garrett, perhaps Mitchell Trubisky, and Jarvis Landry. If MT can play, that's a hell of a haul.

    We would get the opportunity to address several needs in the first two rounds (4 of the first 54 picks) and avoid the salary that Landry will command.

    I've seen several mocks that would have these players available to us with those picks...
    #22. Forrest Lamp, G, WKU
    #33. Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
    #52. Jarrad Davis, LB, UF
    #54. Budda Baker, S, Washington
    #97. Dorian Johnson, G, Pitt

    I'm sure our FO wouldn't make the trade, and if they did, they'd take better players, but I think this would be a good draft for us.

    Anyway, insanity at 5 a.m. in a FL thunderstorm. Thanks for entertaining!
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I just think there are some players you just don't trade..to much value to the team..Production, Intangibles, marketability.

    I'm sorry, I countn't entertain the idea.
     
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  3. Mike8272

    Mike8272 Active Member

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    The only time a trade would be considered is if there is a significant difference between what the Dolphins value him at and what Landry wants. For instance, if he wants top tier receiever money (ie upwards of $10m per year) and we value him nearer to what we've paid Stills ($8m per year) or perhaps what Garçon got from the 49ers ($10m per year). Then at that point if we don't give him what he wants, or he doesn't agree to our terms, or there's no middle ground, then at that point he could be traded rather than seeing him leave for nothing.

    The thing to bear in mind here is that Landry is nearer to Julian Edelman than he is Antonio Brown. As such we can't go out there and pay him mega bucks because he's had a few good seasons. Let's remember that Brian Hartline had consecutive thousand yard receiving seasons in Tannehill's first two years. Now Landry is superior, but he's not a major TD threat and he's mainly used as a slot receiver or possession receiver. With that in mind, we can at a push replace Landry with someone in the draft and save that money for someone else. We do have Stills signed and he stretches the field, we have Parker a first round pick drafted to be this team's number one receiver, and Carroo is highly rated. So we aren't short of talent and further talent can be acquired in the draft to replace the role Landry plays. Now if there is a belief Landry can be more than a glorified slot/possession receiver then we should pay him and extend him, however there could be a scenario where the numbers that one side wants to get paid and what the other side wants to pay are too far apart.

    What would I do? I'd offer a pay day somewhere between Stills and Garcon, with Garcon being the ceiling. If he turns it down and wants more I'd try and trade him, but only if that pick was at least one second round pick, anything less and I'd hold onto him and try negotiating again at a later date and at worst let him walk.

    Now I want Landry to sign an extension and in all honesty he's one of my favourite players. So I want to see him extended, but I suppose this idea that the OP put forth is not unrealistic if the two sides don't agree on salary terms.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I pegged the stills value and contract..So Ill say that I have juice at 5 years 60 million.
     
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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I think $12mil per is fair. In a year or two that will be average WR pay. However, I'd prefer $10 mil per.
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't be opposed to trading Landry for two second rounders, but I'm guessing that I'd be in the minority on that thinking.
     
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  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    First off, I'd say I hate the first two lines of your post. Have some faith in your knowledge and thought process. While you're right, we may not all be at the same point from a knowledge and understanding level, you're also right that conversation around this idea is exactly what this place is for. So, don't be discouraged, even if someone tells you you're insane for this idea.

    That being said. You're insane for this idea! :lol: Just kidding!

    I agree with DJ here though. Landry isn't a guy I'd consider trading. I think his value is beyond the stat sheets here. He's the heartbeat of the offensive unit. Sometimes he crosses the line according to the "officials" and I think you can live with that though because he clearly provides a much needed spark on this unit.

    That being said... If I'm the GM, anyone (almost) on my roster is always available, for the right price. The theory isn't as insane as you fear it is, at least that's what I think anyways. Cleveland has a lot of space to get a deal done with Landry assuming he would agree to a deal there. The compensation doesn't seem unrealistic. I'm just not sure Cleveland, with all of their needs, and focus on acquiring draft picks lately would want to do this deal. Does it make them that much better? If they get a QB, sure, it's a big help to have a WR like Landry. I think it makes sense from the Cleveland standpoint.

    It actually makes some sense for us. It would be nice to have those early picks to work with. However, I'm not sure the cost to the team, and to the offense especially is worth it. How do you replace what Landry brings from on field performance, intangibles, and a star player, and by all accounts a good locker room guy, and a guy who's focused 100% on football. I'd have a hard time parting with that.

    What it comes down to ultimately is the cost to re-sign Landry, and if it's practical. If he's being unreasonable, and we don't think we're going to reach a fair deal for all, then I think you have to consider doing something other than letting him walk away for nothing. I think we should be able to get a fair deal though.

    If we did go the trade Landry route, as I mentioned earlier, to me, it's how do you replace him? Parker is questionable still. Carroo has work to do. So, I'd consider at that point if we did pull off this plan as per your idea, I'd look at a guy like Taylor from WKU, or another first round talent at WR to replace him with one of those picks we could acquire.

    Either way, not a foolish, or insane post at all IMO. We're all entitled to idea's and thoughts, and you thought it through, so there's nothing wrong with presenting it IMO. Especially at this time of year when we're all starving for somethings football related to talk about.
     
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  8. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Thanks!
     
  9. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Slightly left of center
    I don't think anyone could compensate the Dolphins for his value to the team. And there is no one you could pick up at 33, 52 or 54 that would = Landry's production, at any position, next year.

    And there is no flipping way Jarrad Davis falls to 52 or Budda Baker to 54. If either of them are there at 22 they should be picked.

    But what do I know either? ;)
     
  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    There is no trust with Parker and Carroo....if you trade Landry, all you have is Stills. Miami has Jarvis' rights until 2019. There is no rush
     
  11. Mike8272

    Mike8272 Active Member

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    Landry is an UFA after this season. No fifth year option. So unless we tag him in 2018 and do the same in 2019, we lose the rights to him next year.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I bet money Juice will sign his extension before season starts.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    So far there are 90 players who would have no flipping way to fall to 52. This looks like a good draft.
     
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  14. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    I definitely see what you are getting at and why you might be nervous...

    But No thanks, pay the man!!
     
  15. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Here's the thing. Would we have made the playoffs without Landry last year? No. Like no way. Stills is inconsistent. Ajayi has big games against bad teams and needs everyone and their grandma on the line to open holes for him(hoping that changes). Parker is still suturing his man-gina closed and Caroo wasn't very impressive. So now we trade away the spark and heartbeat of the offense? I don't have a lot of moves that would cause me to head for the exit but at this point, Landry's marketability and passion is what is rejuvenating the fanbase.

    Sure, one day we'll sadly see Landry wearing another jersey. But I'm hoping that's way down the road. My favorite player since Welker.
     
  16. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    I agree that Landry is a great player to have on the team...but there are two issues.
    1...Can we afford to resign him? While he's our best player, he's arguably not a top ten WR. Certainly not in skill set. Perhaps he is with intangibles. Do you give "that" guy 5/60 contact?

    2. While he was vital to us making the playoffs, we flopped in the wild card round. We weren't competitive. Nor were we competitive in either NE game. We need A LOT of talent. 2018, IMO, is the timetable for us to compete for a SB.

    Bottom line, I love having Landry on the team...but he costs us "bigly" in contract terms, and in terms of getting more talent, on a team that badly needs it.
     
  17. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I think Landry wants to be on a good team. I think as long as he sees us going the right direction and likes Gase as much as many of the other players do, he'll take the $ that are right to keep him a Dolphins. That's my hope. I don;t want to see us compromise our ability to get good players just to keep Landry. Here's the market, here's what we'll pay you and we even added X to keep you a happy Dolphin for a long time. Work in some great incentives on a smaller base salary.
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    We don't need a lot of talent.

    We were missing almost all of our defensive starters and our starting QB. No team survives that in the playoffs.
     
  19. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This is what a lot of the network NFL draft analysts fail to emphasize. When everyone is a first and second round pick, then undoubtedly some are going to be 3rd and 4th round picks.
     
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