I thought about it, but I started a board about a year ago with some friends and I didn't want to get into even more conversations. During the season I probably spend 6-10 hours a week on football forums. But maybe there's enough conversations in club to where I wouldn't post in the main anymore...I hadn't thought about that. And as far as #19 goes, I just report that kind of stuff. The mods here are slow but eventually, the ones who go out of their way to break the rules and insult others eventually get banned. I guess that's a side-bonus of posting in Main...you get to help take out the trash.
I wasn't even going to bother with this but... wait a second... You're saying we needed a better OL because the QB couldn't stop fumbling and couldn't deal with pressure? No. That's not even close to true. We needed to upgrade the OL because we didn't have NFL caliber players in starting positions. Our OL has been awful. If we had some form of blocking that would have even been considered below average in the past with Thomas and Turner and company your QB wouldn't have to panic at the almost instant pressure in his face. And you want to bring up the blind squirrel teaching football? I mean... come on. See, there's ZERO need for that comment. None at all. Be better than that, man. You're stretching that argument into the same territory you're accusing someone else of. I'm not even going to bother with the last two points either, because you're clearly spinning those to how you see fit, and if that's how you feel, and I know it is since you've said it in the past, then so be it. I'm not going to argue because it's not going to change your mind. I'd just suggest... being a bit more careful with your words sometimes. You guys aren't going to agree... so rather than insulting one another, just agree to disagree and move on. But, the OL needed upgrading because the QB couldn't stop fumbling and dealing with the pressure? OK.
As I said earlier, I'm not disagreeing WITH YOU. But back up a second though, because we did have NFL caliber linemen on the team...we just weren't utilizing them. Thomas and Turner both had a few epic bad games leading up to the hammer dropping, but it's unfair to say that every pressure was their fault. All QB's are pressured- it's a part of the game. Yet very few QB's have multiple strip-sacks in a season, much less back to back weeks with strip sacks for safeties. Was that all on Tannehill? Heck no. But it wasn't 100% on the line either. So if we're being realistic, then let's be realistic about everything.
The first and third things are actually pure fabrications on your part. Utterly and completely farted into existence by you. The second is kind of true. You, of course, ignore that over Thill's tenure (before last year) we were near or dead last in rushing attempts. Yes, his footwork improved. No, his deep balls were always pretty good. A better line makes a lot of things happen. The simple fact of the matter is that when any 3 of Pouncey, Albert, James or Tunsil, were in the game, we were like 10-1 or something near that. I know, I know, that's back to magic pixie farts again. Meanwhile, everything you're talking about from Matt Moore to whatever other bs you're trying to push does nothing for actually acknowledging that you were given 3 specific things that would show Thill to be a Top 10 QB. You *****ed, you moaned, you told us we were wrong. You insulted, you freaked out, on and on and on.....then those 3 specific things happen Thill goes Top 10, and instead of being a stand-up person about it and just admitting you were wrong (which is cool you weren't alone)....right back to *****ing, moaning, etc. I mean hell, you act like those things played zero part in his turnaround. It's a little crazy.
Just to shed some light on this... Between 2001-2006 Brady had more than 10 fumbles in a season 4 times. 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006. He was ranked 3rd, 5th, 4th, and 4th, respectively, each of those years for most fumbles by a QB. He averaged a 6.1 sack% in those years. Matt Moore led all QB's in 2011 with 14 fumbles. RT has never had more than 10 fumbles in one season. He has averaged a 7.4 sack% in his first 5 years.
I' calling BS on your first point. Without looking anything up it has to be wrong. We know that Tannehill has been pressured on at least 30% of his dropbacks over his career. With over 500 pass attempts per year on average that would put RT17 at well over 150 and approaching 200 career fumbles if your 1 in 4 penetrations lead to a fumble was a fact. As far as your second and third points Lazor's overly predictable offense was the problem. I did data dive into that last season. It shows up in the numbers. Lazor was blaming Tannehill for his iwn shortcomings.
Just looked it up Rt17 has 47 career fumbles. So let as assume each and every one of them was due to penetration of the OL. That would mean Tannehill has faced a grand total of 188 QB pressures in his career. With 5 starting OL over 5 seasons that would mean each OL had allowed less than 8 QB pressures per season. Hell here I was thinking our OL sucked, but on your numbers they've been playing at All pro level for the ladt 5 years. In fact since Tannehill has been sacked 213 times he must be some kind of bad football magician to be able collect 25 more sacks than pressures.
The stupidity of this statement is making my brain hurt. As I said earlier the numbers are flat out wrong. But I want to look at it in more detail. Even if it were true is it a problem? You have no idea unless you know what the rest of the NFL is doing, I wasn't able to quickly find the data for QB fumbles in the NFL as a whole, so I decided to look into the QBs drafted in 2012 who have had significant playing time. Using sacks as a rough proxy for pressure allowed The format is QB: sacks-fumbles: 1 fumble per (x) sacks Brock Osweiler: 52-9: 5.8 Brandon Weeden: 66-15: 4.4 Nick Foles: 75-21: 3.6 RG III: 123-36: 3.4 Kirk Cousins: 65-24: 2.7 Ryan Tannehill: 213-47: 4.5 Andrew Luck: 156-38: 4.1 Russell Wilson: 205-46: 4.5 2012 QBs: 955-236: 4.0 So in reality Tannehill fumbles less per sack taken than the average QB taken in the 2012 draft. Better than Andrew Luck and almost identical to Russell Wilson's rate. So, even if you meant RT fumbles once every 4 sacks, not pressures, you are (a) still wrong and (b) RT is doing better than average so fumbling under pressure isn't a problem to criticize Tannehill for.
Miami needs to address qb no matter what this year or next, as insurance if anything. Moore is 33 and Tannehill's knee is a question mark Would hate to build a team ready to win and not have the qb
I agree with the MM part, but I don't think RT's knee will be any sort of issue unless he takes a similar or worse hit. Which in that case any QB would be injured.
Yeah, if you go up to post 49 you'll see that RT is actually really good at holding onto the ball. lol
**** me. This debate is like bad marriage no one can get out from under. And let me say it again; **** me.
I wouldn't wanna be one of the two people on this planet who actually took you up on that offer. Let's just all agree that Ryan was merely a victim for most of his career and doesn't deserve any accountability for his struggles. Then let's go ahead and admit the biggest difference in our offense was 2 Guards. This way the simple minded are pleased, and we can just focus on him being better and hope he sustains this improvement. Of course if he doesn't? We can always blame Gase or some G's or somethin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Are you still trying to get over being a wet dream your mother rolled in? Listen its cool, everyone thought you were a ****ing assclown anyway.
You repulse women. [emoji23] I'm just teasing, you may look like Brad Pitt for all I know. No need to be hostile, I was truly just teasing you. Hope your night gets better. [emoji173] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He's gonna wear a brace, no? Those aren't needed unless they're needed. It may not be an issue. But it's something to be cognizant of.
My biggest concern is how he handles defenders around his knees. After an injury like that, your mind CAN get the best of you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think CK has cited 24 months as the time before a player is back to normal, mentally, after a knee injury. There are exceptions,
He's going to wear a brace. However, last Oct., after Wilson suffered an MCL sprain he too wore a brace. and...there's this: "The braces that the players wear now are a little different than the braces that we first started wearing back in the 80s when I was first with the Giants and then Cleveland," Belichick said. "They were kind of like a steel hinge that was usually taped or wrapped to the side of the knee, as opposed to the brace, the bigger DonJoy braces that most guys wear now. "I can remember on multiple occasions, seeing the brace, like, literally bent in half. Not maybe in half, but bent significantly so that it's taken a blow. The brace bends and the player had a minor injury or a low MCL sprain or something like that. And the braces were strong. Had they not taken that blow and protected the player, you'd have to imagine the injuries would be a lot worse. I think that was a pretty vivid image that I had. We did that with the players as well, too. When that happened in a meeting, you'd just hold the brace up and say, you know, 'It's fortunate that so and so was wearing this protective brace. Looks like he might miss a week or two, or maybe he isn't going to miss any time at all, but I think we can all picture a more severe injury if he didn't have this protective equipment on.' That type of thing. "The braces now, at least the way they're constructed. They're not really conducive to that type of a visual example. But you still see plays on film where guys get hit in a way that it looks like it's going to be a pretty bad injury and then it isn't as bad as it looks. I'm sure part of that is the protective equipment." Patriots quarterback Tom Brady wears a brace on his left knee, something he started doing during training camp of the 2013 season after he took a hit to his left leg during a joint practice with the Buccaneers. Brady's first inclination was to continue playing without the brace, but he acquiesced to owner Robert Kraft's wishes and has been wearing one ever since. On the play when Jackson was injured, Brady actually took an awkward low hit to his left leg from Vernon as well. Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels said during a conference call on Monday that he thinks the braces have helped keep Patriots players on the field. "I think the knee braces are great," he said. "Look, the most important thing for us is the health of the players. If there's something that we can do to help protect them in a game that obviously has enough injuries as it is, then I think it's worthwhile. I don't think it's a big hassle to do that in either practice or games. And I think it's a very good precaution to take. "I don't know that we'll ever know how many injuries we've prevented, but hopefully you're putting guys in a position where they can withstand a fall or an awkward pile or something and then come back and continue to play. I would suggest and certainly recommend it. I'm all for it because I certainly think it helps our guys stay healthy." http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/belichick-explains-why-he-asks-linemen-wear-knee-braces
Who the **** finds brad pit attractive? I swear I never understood what women see in the guy he just looks like a wimpy scrub to me. Same goes for Leo Dicaprio. Sent from my F3111 using Tapatalk
Ozzie Newsome drafted Kyle Boller.....infact you wont find a GM whose been in the league long without some serious black marks on their drafts.
As recently as 2013 he had a draft like this: 1st round (#6): OLB Barkevious Mingo 3rd round (#68): CB Leon McFadden 6th round (#175): S Jamoris Slaughter 7th round (#217): OLB Armonty Bryant 7th round (#227): OG Garrett Gilkey lol...Big old stinkin' "F", IMO, for that draft. Bryant, IMO, is the only good player from this list. And Lombardi was promptly fired and the end of that season.
DIDNT HE DRAFT JAMARCUS RUSSELL. IF HE DID HE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LAST GUY YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES A GOOD QB
He was way off if you actually understood the context. Which is, he was trying to imply that RT's fumbling was/is an issue. RT has been sacked 213 times and fumbled 47 times in his career. That's 22%. However, that doesn't mean his 47 fumbles happened every time he was sacked. Some most definitely happened when he was a runner. So no, he doesn't fumble once every 4.5 sacks. In comparison, Brady has been sacked 417 times and fumbled 107 times during his career. That's 25%. Finster, your posts are bad, and you should feel bad.
And just to rub it in a little: Brees- Sacked 358, Fumbled 96- 26% Rivers: 361/91 = 25% Marino: 270/110 = 40% Favre: 525/166 = 32% Elway: 516/137 = 27% All of the above QB's (including Brady) have a worse sack to fumble ratio than RT and suck(ed). haha
