Hello, I'm a Fin fan on another site, but I lurk here from time to time. I just want to float an idea I had. I believe the Fins have really turned things around. Gase is the man and he's established what has been solely lacking here, a culture: #NEWMIAMI. I'm all in. We made the playoffs last year and can fill all of our holes in the draft to be completely solid. The problem is while we have some play-makers, we need a few more and we lack a QB that can put this team on his shoulders. I'm not here to start another debate on him, troll, what have you—I did my homework. I became enamored with Patrick Mahomes. This is like being married to Jennifer Aniston, but lusting after Angela Jolene. I looked past that 86yrd throw at his Pro Day to see what is what. T-hill's smart, has heart, and is resilient as heck, but he can't put this team on his shoulders and I'm talking like Aaron Rodgers did with Green Bay last year, to go deep into the playoffs while having a solid but not great team around him like Dak Prescott last year. I'm convinced Mahomes can. I'd actually be fine with T-hill if it wasn't for the Patriots. I firmly believe to win the Super Bowl, the road goes through them, and honestly I want it to, it's time for them to go back to the basement of this division. There was a gulf between us last year and them, and it got wider this off-season. They have Brady's heir apparent and don't plan on going away any time soon. We need an Aaron Rodgers. I think Patrick Mahomes is that guy. He's either Brett Farve 2.0 or a bust. I'm willing to take that chance. Yes, he'd have to sit next year and start in 2018, but that's better than waiting until 2018 or 19 to draft another QB than have a chance to finally knock the Patriots off in 2020. I don't want that long. But I'm not stopping there. Go big or go home is my philosophy. We have other needs and this the draft to fill them. We can take this team from barely making the playoffs to serious contender. Here is what I propose... Trade our 1st 2017 (22), and a 2nd in 2018, 2019, our 3rd in 2018 to Cleveland for their first at (12) to grab Mahomes. Trade Tannehill and a 5th this year for SanFran's 2nd rounder at (34) or Arizona at (45) Take Raekwon McMillan LB. We need a linebacker. With our original 2nd (54) take Tanoh Kpassangon DE or a better one that drops. With our 3rd(97) take Ethan Pocic, Dorian Johnson or Dan Feeney at G We need secondary help. Gase thinks X. Howard will be a pro bowl corner, and R. Jones is back at safety but more help is needed. So we take: 5(178) Corn Elder CB 5(184) Jadar Johnson Safety With our 7th BPA. If you got a good sleeper, suggest it. Sign Cutler to start until Mahomes is ready. So what do you think? Like I said I'm not a Tannehill hater, I'm actually a supporter and I'm not posting this to cause trouble. If I have disrespected this board or any members, I apologize that was not my intention.
Welcome to the site dude.. I'm not alone on the Patrick Mahomes train, there's a few of us that love, but even fewer that love like we do.I think the kid is special and completely underrated relative to general narrative of the pundits.. The Brett 2.0 version is about right..there isn't a QB ive seen in a while with this much natural ability..game comes easy for him, and sometimes so easy he loses his mechanics to sloppiness. When he wants he can throw with perfect mechanics, when he's in gunslinger mode the elbow drops... I don't see how he lasts with all the teams that need qbs.. Anyone on his offense gonna be drafted high this year??..... don't think so..wait til the guy has NFL talent around him..geeez Louise..
Exactly. It's easy to fall in love with a prospect, project your own wishful desires on to them and overlook the problems they have that might doom them in the NFL. I don't think that's the case with Mahomes. This guy can hit a WR accurately with a flick of his wrist off his back-foot. And he wants this bad, has the mental desire to learn to be a great a QB. he's no Jamarcus Russell. With the right coach (and Gase is perfect, so is Arian's in Arizona) to develop him, he will be the next Brett Farve. But he needs the right coach and development and needs to sit at least partially his first year if not all of it. If I'm the Bears, I pull the trigger on him at #3, if I'm Cleveland, I take Myles at #1 and then move up to 5 and grab this guy. Watson is a sure bust.
That's a bold strategy, cotton. Not one that I'd be opposed to, either, but I have a feeling Adam Gase would be. The coaching staff and the front office know exactly what they have in Ryan Tannehill: a capable quarterback who still has some ceiling left to be realized. The thing is, capable quarterbacks in general are very hard to find. Additionally, the fact that he still has some ceiling left at age 28 makes him even more valuable. For these reasons, I don't think Gase would be willing to part with No. 17 for an unknown commodity in Patrick Mahomes, who could be the next Brett Favre just as easily as he could be the next Tim Couch. The NFL is a game of risk and reward, and quite frankly, the risk isn't worth it with Mahomes when considering what we already have at that position. I think he'll be good--maybe very good--but if not, Adam Gase and his personnel just threw away their jobs. Play the draft safe, take Taco Charlton and Marcus Williams in 1 and 2, respectively. There's no need to get greedy, this franchise is already on the cusp of long-term success. Keep feeding the machine with young, safe picks.
Yes, I'm sure you're right. Gase has made it clear T-hill is his guy and I'm sure that works to our favor in the future. I personally love T-hill because he's been so resilient and shows so much potential. The guy has heart, has endured a beating that would have ruined many Qb's like David Carr, Tim Couch, regime changes, all of which is the perfect recipe to ruin a QB but has endured. he's a true football warrior. To me he proved himself this season and if Gase wants to stick with him, fine. I'm good with that, I am. But he's not Dan Marino, Brett Farve or Aaron Rodgers. if you have a chance to grab one of those, I think you must if you have the right coach to develop them, and we do in Gase. It really is a hard choice but you have to ask yourself (if your Gase) who is better for the franchise? IMO, its drafting Mahomes, but making sure T-hill goes to SanFran under Shottenheimer. Gase and Shotty are friends. Tannehill would flourish there. Cutler makes a great band-aid until mahomes is ready.
Ok Ill ask....what about the system he is from? Qb's arent too prepared with that style of offense Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If Mahomes is available drafting him would be a beautiful risk. He shows things on tape that are amazing, the quick feet and delivery remind me of a young Dan Marino. If what he has between the ears can operate at NFL speed then all the Favre and Rodgers comparisons are justified. The downside is he'd be a less reliable Jay Cutler if his processor's clock speed isn't fast enough. I wouldn't draft him mainly because Gase has gone out on a limb to defend Tannehill, so drafting him would undermine Tannehill and Gase. I think it would run the risk of making the players doubt Gase, and Gase has worked too hard to gain that trust to toss it away.
Also what about cap hit on trade vs cutting? When does the salary become more tolerable for a trade or a cut? Or would he have to re do his deal Look I dont think this happens but it does bring up the talk we need to have at addressing qb this year or next, someone we draft. Matt Moore is 34 and expensive, despite servicable. not sure whatbwe have in daughty and Im not sure Now about Tannehill's knee. The OP brings up a point I believe about the ceiling of Tannehill. Gase probably knows what it is and if anything, this is the year where he makes a final call. Which leads me to always believe, despite the D needs on this team, we go Te or g Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He comes from an a college team that runs the spread offense hyper-inflating his stats so scouts don't like him. He has to learn how to take snaps from center, run a huddle etc in a pro-offense. Scouts need to get over this, seriously. Spread offenses, one read offenses with running options means excitement in college. College isn't about training players to to play in the more complex NFL, it's about winning and making money. The NFL needs to adapt. This player may have great skills and athleticism but need time to learn the complexity of the schemes in the NFL. Learn to accept and develop such players and adjust your evaluating skills to accordingly. To go along with that, teams need to understand when you draft a QB, you don't do so until you have already established a culture and team identity. Then (And this really baffles me) understand if you draft one, you need to develop them. Some have to sit and learn while some you can throw into the deep in right away.
This kid is eager to be a star and he's willing to do whatever it takes to make his dream come true. Scout's love that about him and his FB acumen. He's not a prima donna, but he has leadership skills. And yes, supposedly really smart and teachable. He's not a first read and then run QB, running is his last option but he makes that look natural when he does. Great instincts.
I'm not. Mahomes sometimes displays bad mechanics, throws off his back foot, doesn't step into a throw, etc. But watch the film on this guy. He can accurately hit a WR with a flick of his wrist off his back foot. Just like Brett Farve. He throws a 60mph pass and can be accurate. Did you know that no QB prospect who threw under 54mph has ever had a successful NFL Career? Watson throws 49...
I like Mahomes. He may be great or he may be a bust, but IMO he'll be good. I think he has the skill, but he'll need the right coach. Gase is probably that HC. In fact, Mahomes reminds me of RT in a lot of ways, except he's slower and shorter. However, trading away 3 picks for an unknown quantity when we have a really good QB is not a good idea. Especially since some people are projecting he doesn't even go until the end of the 1st or even the 2nd round. Also, you stated that if not for the Patriots you'd be OK with RT? What does that mean? And the Dolphins made the playoffs with a nearly all 2nd string defense. A 2nd string QB. A 1st year HC. And new schemes on both sides of the ball. As for your other picks. I like/love all of your players. However, most will be there with our original picks. Except for Feeney, who I believe will go no later than the 2nd round. I think you could get Tanoh Kpassangon in the 3rd or 4th. If anything, trading DOWN in this draft will be the way to go. However, I wouldn't trade down our 1st round. I've been messing around a lot with Fanspeak and when trading down, not in the first but second etc, I've had some really nice drafts.
I don't think this is true. I'll have to see some sort of proof. I mean, isn't the record somewhere around 58?
Look, I like the player that Mahommes can be. No doubt he's loaded with talent, and no doubt he's going to have to learn some things and adapt to play in the NFL. So, in theory, I like the idea. However, that being said I don't think we have the luxury at this point of throwing away all of those draft picks. I see your plan involved a potential way to re-coup those, but I'm not so sure that part comes to fruition. It's a hell of a gamble though, and if you're sold on what you think PM can be at the NFL level, it's an idea. I don't see this team, and this FO though doing something risky like that. Not after making the playoffs this year for the first time in a long time. There's too much risk there for them I'd think. It's an interesting idea either way. I can't commit to it one way or the other though. I can see positives and negatives on both sides though.
The Patriots system is so good, and I'm specifically referring to their short passing game (and added Cook), and the fact that even if the the two B's step down this year, they have their successors in place. To beat them, actually contend and take the division away from them, we need a QB like Rodgers (or Marino) who can put the team on his shoulders and will them to win. I like Tannehill, but I don't think he can do that. I also think it's going to be harder to grab a wildcard this tear or next.
Neither do I, but to win means sometimes taking chances vs playing it safe. I firmly believe that despite watching the last SB in shock, knowing the Falcons just made a horrible mistake by not running instead of passing. Plus, I got to witness Marino's career from start to finish and would love to find another. (In general, I doubt there will be any QB like Marino again. I've never seen anyone move in the pocket like he did or throw from the ear like that.)
Looks like Gase might have his eye on a different top quarterback prospect: http://mia.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Adam-Gase-meets-with-Hurricanes-QB-52195093 Kaaya was once regarded as a top-five prospect before a 2016 campaign that failed to live up to expectations caused his draft stock to plummet. Sources say he could be had as early as the third round. This would be a good move, in my opinion, since the risk would be very minor compared to a steep trade for Mahomes, but the potential reward is on a similar plateau. Kaaya is a smart quarterback who could provide some insurance in the future if Tannehill's knee is re-aggravated or his play falls off.
This is what you would do, but the team will not..but we'll watch and see how Mahomes will play out..I think as soon as he takes the field he will never look back..fans will fall in love..
Sorry, but nothing you've written is factually based. Rodgers may very well be the greatest QB to ever play the game and when he has to "take the team on his shoulders" they still don't go anywhere. Sure, they may get a game further into the playoffs, but nothing else. Marino carried the Dolphins for 17 years and where did that get him? Well rounded teams win Championships. Brady has rarely had to carry the Pats and they still win 80% of their games. When Belichick and Ernie leave the cheating will stop and the Pat's run will be over. And anytime a team plays better than in the past their wins will become tougher to get. Mainly because other teams won't overlook them. RT is a very good QB. What the Dolphins need is less injuries, more consistent oline, and a few more playmakers on defense.
New England just had a QB in for a visit too. As a big 'Cane fan...I wish Kaaya the best, but I pray the Dolphins don't draft him. Smoke and mirrors...
No, it's only my opinion. However nearly all the teams that won it in the last ten years have had a very good to great QB and Defense. It's absolutely a QB league and the importance of the position is still going up, by design. Most important in all of team sports. If you don't have a serious quarterback, it's virtually impossible to win by being really good everywhere else (Texans, Chiefs, Vikings recently, etc.). You can only get to the fringes of the playoffs.
I don't understand giving up so much when we're already a playoff team. I also don't understand giving up on a QB who can produce Top 10 in this offense for a rookie who may or may not work out.
We shall see, I think he's got a ways to go personally, but if this scouting staff can knock this draft out of the park then the chances go up..
Other than not take an illegal shot to his knee, what do you think he could have done better last season after around game 4?
Trade Tannehill for a 7th. Use that 7th on Chad Kelly. Use 1st and 2nd round picks on 2 G's (most important position in football) Then, as long as the defense doesn't suck we make a deep playoff run in 17.
situational football, timely playmaking, ability to make off schedule plays...like his coaches have said.. play with a sense of urgency from the opening snap..
