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Ok, Like for real, how do you want to go about this moving forward?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You're not kidding. Then I'm blamed for derailing the thread.
     
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  2. cbrad

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    NE would probably come out at or near the top with that weighting because they have such a good playoff record, and because of their very good record in close games the only real place they might lose out to another team would be with comeback games.. not sure where they stand there.
     
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  3. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    It's up to you how you weigh it if you're going to go through the work, that's just weighted according to what I believe is most impressive. I'd go so far as to say they rank at the top of every category over the past fifteen years.
     
  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Landry, on Tannehill vs the Rams.
    What does he mean when they count? Don't they count at the beginning of the game? They only count at the end of the game? That makes no sense.

    Tannehill was no different on drives 1-11 vs 12 and 13 against the Rams. None at all.
     
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  5. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Imagine if I said that... I'd probably end up banned.


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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The word "flavor" has been used for decades in advertising. That doesn't mean the word has any actual descriptive meaning on its own. "Taste the flavor" (for example) doesn't actually mean anything. The word needs to be qualified. Vomit has a flavor, that doesn't mean it's an inherently positive thing to taste the flavor of puke.

    Then things get crazier with phrases like "20% more flavor than X brand". Not only are we not describing the flavor, but how in the hell can you actually measure that flavor empirically? You can't in any meaningful way. You can take a bunch of people's opinions after they've tried the foods in a comparison and get an average, but that isn't actually very accurate.

    So, just because a word/phrase gets used a lot it doesn't mean they're actually a valid description/reason/meaning/etc.

    This applies to the discussion about "turning it on" (or "clutch", or "it factor", etc.) in that the phrase isn't clearly defined or qualified and has been used for decades...but doesn't really mean anything substantive. Because it doesn't have clearly defined parameters it also implies a negative. Just as a new and improved product with 30% more flavor than before can imply the food used to be bad, so too does "turning it on" and "clutch" imply they were playing badly prior to that moment.

    This is all perfectly acceptable when discussing things on a surface level or during an emotional argument. But when a person tries to use these phrases to argue against specifics, then there's a problem. If you want to explain why a player is good or bad in an argument, then you should use more precise and definable terms.
     
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  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, no. Just so we're clear, I'm not referring to your first post in this thread.

    I'm referring to this one:

    That's right about where we got into trouble here with this spinning out of control. Not the first sentence, but the last.

    Now sure, you can say that you were just responding to danmarino's comment of - "Our 10 wins this year resulted in a 1st round exit. However, a 2nd string QB and basically a 2nd string defense probably had more to do with that than "10 wins"...don't ya think?"

    Then you want to go and claim that our first round exit essentially had nothing to do with backups, including at QB, then proceed to spark up the endless debate (which really can be discussed in the 358,393 other threads on it) of Tannehill vs Moore.

    danmarino's comment is pretty simple... and It's pretty hard to debate. We didn't stand a chance in that playoff game we were so banged up going into it. That's pretty much common knowledge at this point I'd think. You've got to then though, try and say that has nothing to do with it, and for some odd reason bring up Matt Moore and his QB rating in limited starts being better than Tannehill's. Our team wasn't going to win that game, no way, no how, regardless of who was at QB, and that turned out to be exactly the case.

    It's just, a pointless thing to bring up. That's all I'm saying. Again, lets keep in mind, this is a thread based on "what we should do in the draft to beat NE". It's pretty obvious what that comment was going to do, then the fire keeps getting fed over and over, because you had to spark it, and it's irrelevant here. Sure, the door was slightly kicked open, but then you just barged right on through it and naturally, because it's about Tannehill we're left with this mess. That's all I'm saying... why even go there in the thread, when it's completely not about that. I get it, the conversation drifted away from that a bit, but then you went and took it where it really didn't need to go. Just ignore it is all I'm saying.

    Anyways, it doesn't matter, you're entitled to your opinion, but we'd all be a lot better off if every single thread didn't turn into this mess and we could just discuss the intended topic, which IMO is very worthy of discussion.

    All we're doing now is making it worse, so, lets move on.

    How would you address the team in the draft, to contend better with NE?
     
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  8. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You claimed I derailed the thread. It was a response to cbrad. Then danmarino continued on and on and on and on and on and on about a phrase I used. You can't blame me for that. He should've been reprimanded for instigating.

    If you don't agree with my statement, fine, but I was just making the point that I didn't agree with cbrad that we aren't that far away from contending with NE. You can't claim me disagreeing is derailing the thread. It was danmarino that made my comment about something else.


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  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I didn't say your response to cbrad... It was your comment in response to danmarino... Did you even read what I wrote? You're probably right, I shouldn't have lumped it all on you, but that post I referenced is really where the trouble starts.

    Anyways, look, it doesn't matter, the thread is dead, we're only making it worse. It's all good man.
     
  10. danmarino

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    LOL!

    "I don't think they crapped the 1st half of the SB because they weren't trying as much.. or because they didn't care. It's because they just couldn't! So the SB thing isn't good evidence for the "turn it on when you need to win" IMO."

    You'd think with the way finsfandan is whining that I wrote the above....


    I didn't, it was cbrad and he took his posts the same way everyone else took them. But instead of just sucking it up and admitting that he was being ridiculous he decided to dig his hole deeper.

    Finsfandan derailed the thread after he was called out for making a "silly" post. And he hasn't stopped crying about it since. lol
     
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  11. MikeHoncho

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    You hire a guy. I mean a real pro; leaves no evidence to tie us back to this.

    Just hear me out. We hire the best guy we can find to stake out Gronk and Allen's homes and in the middle of the night, this man will surreptitiously plant banana peels on the athletes' doorstep.

    But not just anywhere, or haphazardly. As the best in the business, our banana guy will determine the most effective and varied locations to place the peels each day. Every day until the desired outcome is achieved.


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  12. invid

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    I like it. A combination of Crisco and small matchbox cars will work as well.

    For tripping purposes, I mean. Sick ****s.
     
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  13. MikeHoncho

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    Maybe Legos. For extra pain.
     
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  14. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Screw the half measures, caltrops.
     
  15. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    You have to play a lot of man/press coverage with those guys. In zone they just pick you apart. Of course, you have to be able to put pressure on Brady, but man, I thought they had a great off season. They also got Kony Ealy, who I think can be good with them. Oh well. ---k 'em.
     
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  16. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree about Kony. The Pats let the Panthers get him up to speed and I think he will be a really good player for them.
     
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  17. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I think the key to beating the Pats is more on D than O, coverage and pressure, turn them into and avg offense and you have a chance, but it's one of the "cornerstone" keys to being a great team, but you need a great team to beat a great team.

    My reasoning, trying to "out offense" them with a shaky D is a losing proposition, the Giants laid out the blue print, and so did we, our "pressure and coverage" D with JT, Madison and co. gave Brady fits.

    What we're really talking about here, is how do we become SB contenders, and the best way to do that is a great D and a good O, whatever your opinion on RT is, he's not a superstar QB, and if you don't have a SS QB you better have hellacious D.
     
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  18. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree with 99% of your post.

    However, SS QB's without a hellacious D lose every year. Rogers is the best QB in the league and has been for awhile and yet he has 1 Super Bowl win. An average QB, with a hellacious D can net a Super Bowl appearance and win. However, even a SS QB needs a hellacious, or close to it, D in order to win a SB. Well, with very few exceptions.
     
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  19. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Well I think it's actually 100% then, lol, because I completely agree, in my 1st paragraph I mention it as a "cornerstone" key to a great team, because there are only a few exceptions and they are with SS QBs.
     
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