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Here it is: The Official 2017 NFL Draft Post

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    I studied Thompson that dude has serious instincts and ball skills but he's allergic to tackling which with miamis scheme means can't touch it first 2 days...centerfield type all the way that is way too suspect in the box and as a tackler
     
  2. texanphinatic

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    No problem with the Harris pick. Immediate situational pass rush dividends to help get us off the field. Kid will bulk up, get stronger as he matures and gets time in an NFL program. Fully expect a starter next year who can be a mean pass rusher and decent run stopper. Kid has some wicked moves - we may be looking at Dwight Freeny 2.0. Or maybe he is a bust, which any single player in this draft can be, so whatever with that noise. Focus on the positive here until the kid shows on the field what he has.

    Bottom line is that until he retires, the best way to beat our biggest obstacle is a consistent and frustrating pass rush. Brady can deal with anything except for that.

    As for day 2, there are some solid DB prospects still hanging around. Kevin King, Awuzi, Tankersly, Quincy Wilson at CB are some nice targets, with Obi, Budda and Josh Jones headlining some S play. Would be happy with any.

    What would be really nice is a run on RB's here. If someone snags Cook and Mixon early, that may lead to guys like Kamara and Foreman getting taken. WR run would be good, or a continuation of the DE's. Anything that let's us choose from a nice group of DBs and Gs would be a solid round 2. Wonder if we try to make some trades now though, recoup that 4th or improve round 3 position. I am not a fan of giving up any more picks though, that Carroo move last year was so boneheaded. Don't fall in love with mid round guys.
     
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  3. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    BPA? this guy had a top 10 grade and almost fell out the first round. did you even watch the draft? He has some injury issues. Doesn't Miami have enough players with injury issues? Harris was a clean pick and after dealing with Jordan, they needed that
     
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  4. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    I'm gonna go home and watch your boy awuzie
     
  5. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    you just made a strong statement. Pats don't win the SB every year and when they get ousted from the playoffs, it's the non-blitz pressure that is successful. Look as bad as our run defense was, the pass defense is bad too. some of that is based on pass rush. Our best DE is 35 and a year removed from an achilles. There are many ways to get the defense off the field. a healthy rotation of fresh bodies rushing the passer is one. I was all offense 24 hrs ago, but now I see this DE and now I want a LB or a tag team for Suh.
     
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  6. Coloradotrv

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    Thompson may be a good late round addition to pair with Jones.
     
  7. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Bowser or one of the safties or corners would be nice in Rnd. 2.
     
  8. danmarino

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    S-A-F-E-T-Y in round 2 please! lol
     
  9. Coloradotrv

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    Just a disclaimer, he tackles high and it looks odd. He is very good about not making contact to the head/facemask, but it doesn't look normal. Highly effective though, he will just need to change things a bit in the league because they are so flag happy in the NFL.
     
  10. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I would take a chance on him late day 3
    I need a more secure tackler as plan a/nate Allen insurance.
    As for corner only way I'd go the boundary route would be if I didn't believe lippett could be a starting boundary in 2018 and if it was me I'd give him 2017 as the #3 boundary option to show me that. I think he's earned it. In 2018 he might be ready to be a #2 cb when we cut maxwell
     
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  11. hitman8

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    Why would we pick Bowser when we just picked Harris? They are the same type of players.

    I hope they pick Josh Jones the safety or Dion Dawkins the guard. That is if forest lamp is not there then he should be the pick.

    Otherwise a linebacker like zach cunningham or Rekwon McMillan wouldn't be bad.

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  12. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Upgrade the 4th boundary option and starting slot over mccain...he can be a 2 deep slot and specials
     
  13. Coloradotrv

    Coloradotrv Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly where I would put Awuzie, although I think he could develop into pushing for that #2 pretty quickly. Would be nice to have some good young depth at the CB position.
     
  14. hitman8

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    Jordan Lewis or Cameron Sutton would be the best options for that. But they can be had in the third.

    Second round we should go BPA between saftey, G, DT, LB.

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  15. Hoops

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    Right now theres plenty of value on that board...if we go lb I sure hope it's zach Cunningham
    Otherwise off what i see out there I'm not looking at it
    Bowser as a 2 down strong isn't good value although it would add to the lb athleticism...someone should draft that as a stacked Sam and sub edge...his lack of pass rush polish is begging for it
     
  16. Hoops

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    Yeah I'm thinking round 3 is the slot/nickel sweet spot. Lewis evidently has a sex offense or something
    I want some Desmond king in round 3
     
  17. Hoops

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    The safeties are gonna fly off the board in round 2 to around pick 75 so be ready for it...the safety run is coming and will explode once teams get out of the boundary corner options
     
  18. invid

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    Bowser is a linebacker at the NFL level.
     
  19. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    3-4 OLB type.

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  20. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nah, not good enough at rushing the passer.
     
  21. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    That's why the safest play here is stacked Sam and sub edge...as is the frame
    He has like 50 percent of his pressures or sacks something in college where he was never even touched as in released free to the qb no tackle to beat no nothing
     
  22. phins18

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    First pick needs to be G tonight, then 2nd pick and the rest of the picks in the draft needs to be best defensive player available. Id also love a high upside center later in the draft. IF that even exists.
     
  23. finsfandan

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    Exactly, he was BPA, but teams possibly overreacted. Reuben Foster is a better player, hands down. I already stated IF his injuries aren't chronic, he's the better pick. Missing one season where we won't win the SB regardless of who we pick isn't a good enough reason to pass on him; neither is our history with Dion Jordan or Wake's age. You pick the BPA, period.

    Simply having an injury doesn't mean it'll be a chronic problem. Look up the history of players who were passed on because of injuries, and I'm not just talking about the draft.


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  24. hitman8

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    High upside center later in the dragt would be John Toth or Kyle Fuller.

    If we go guard in the 2nd I am hoping for lamp or Dion Dawkins.

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  25. Hoops

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    What do you guys know about j davenport? I've been told Miami has a very high grade on the player...
    If it's me looking at what's on the board defense wise I'm not turning on any og card at 54 unless it's Forrest lamps
     
  26. phins18

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    The browns actually have a very solid looking team. They have no QB, but their OL is top 5 in the league, they have a franchise pass rusher, 2 good cb's (one of whom is somehow Jamar Taylor), an athletic freak at TE, Jamie Collins, took Coleman in the first round last year. Id love to see them get Dalvin Cook tonight. Their future is pretty bright if they can just find a good QB, which is admittedly really damn hard to do.

    The Titans are also a great team and have an incredibly bright future. One of the best OL's in the league, great young QB on rookie deal, solid defense and good secondary. They are a team that can go on a run like the seahawks in that they have a QB on a rookie deal which allows them build more around the QB. The most valuable commodity in the NFL is a very good QB on a rookie deal.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Would be cool of you could elaborate on why you don't like Harris..
     
  28. phins18

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    I dont see Lamp making it much longer on the board. Side note, as an FSU fan and alum, whoever gets Dalvin Cook is going to get a star.
     
  29. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    OK.. Well.. Why is it a bad pick? What aspects about Harris don't you like?
     
  30. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    I have already said why numerous times. Read my other posts. Not going to repeat myself again.

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  31. hitman8

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    Yeah I don't think lamp will make it either. But Dawkins certainly could.

    Cook is a good player but we are already strong at RB with Ajayi and Drake and have too many needs elsewhere to be picking another RB.

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  32. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    You must not have read my other posts. I have already stated why numerous times.

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  33. BevoPhin

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    The Harris pick kind of reminds me of Bruce Irvin in the 2012 draft. Hopefully he turns out better than Bruce
     
  34. Hoops

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    Why Dawkins over Dorian Johnson for you? Just curious
    Are you thinking rotational tackle possibility also cause I see Dawkins as potentially a 4th tackle for us too.
    I like the player just wondering
     
  35. Hoops

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    Funny you should say that cause I'm not in love with the tackling either form or consistency...he's asking for a significant neck injury leaving his feet and leading with his head like that...that would concern me more than anything. He's tackling the neck. Penalties wise unless it's a defenseless receiver you should be ok I'd be more worried about his safety. As a slot or safety tackling is premium to limit rac and open field exposure.
    I like the physical tools I see no hip stiffness and he redirects well and you can tell that kid can run cause when he opens up as a gunner top speed is very apparent
    Would I target it at 54 ehhh probably not as plan a but the board would dictate it...looks more slot and 4th boundary type than safety to me
    My grades probably top 75ish
     
  36. hitman8

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    Johnson's pass protection is questionable. Dawkins is bigger and a better athlete overall who would give us great pass protection as a guard and also give us some power in the run game. Johnson is a great run blocker as well and I wouldn't be mad if we picked him but I just think Dawkins is the better overall player. His versatility as a tackle is a plus. He could spell either james or tunsil in case of injury.

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  37. Hoops

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    Yeah I think the fact that Dawkins can play a depth tackle and Johnson is guard all the way gives him higher draft value overall. But I also think Dawkins kicked inside is gonna make it a pillow fight.
    Johnsons 2015 tape he pitter pattered his feet cleaned that up in 2016. Really like his left guard 2016 tape. Looks like a day 1 starter to me but I don't see any tackle versatility there or pivot
     
  38. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    I have top 50 grades on both Dawkins and Johnson but I have a feeling you are gonna be able to get Johnson later being he lacks versatility.
    Dawkins has really good awareness at tackle and he does a bang up job of staying attached...indicator of feet short area lateral quickness and proper hand placement
     
  39. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    I'm expecting a trade tonight to get another 3rd round pick or recoup our 4th...tbaum has no problem trading future picks and I fully expect it given this class depth wise
     
  40. hitman8

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    Yeah maybe, though we should have traded down in the first where we would have gotten better trade value. Although I am all for getting more picks.

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