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Yes, Excuses!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, May 1, 2017.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    I offer you the Resplendent Repository of Phinly Excuses! These are not only bona fide excuses, but also 100% real, valid reasons! They are both! Or not. You decide.

    I'll get you started....

    - Tannehill is fantastic but has never had decent protection.
    - Devante Parker is young and improving. Just wait 'til the light comes on. He will dominate.
    - That defense would have been great if Rashad had not been injured
    - Pouncey is one of the best centers in the league, even if he misses a few games every year.
    - Dallas Thom-- oh wait, we can retire that one!

    Any more?
     
  2. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Landry is not a number one receiver and shouldn't be paid like one.
    Suh isn't playing up to his contract.
    Harris was the worst pick ever!

    Stills should have caught the flipping ball!!! (Sorry, more of a ***** than an excuse) But the silence at QWEST (Century Link now I know)field would have been golden. You took that memory from me Kenny, not going to be easy to forgive.

    How far back can we go?

    The Doctor said Culpoopers knee was better than Brees' shoulder.
    What can Trent Green do that Jay Fiedler can't?
    Meet the Ginn family. Teddy Jr will be playing scapegoat for the team while I fail forward. FAST!
     
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  3. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Injuries and OL Protection for RT, are the biggest culprits.
    As I said in my list OP, no more excuses for RT. He has all he needs. If he can't thrive and be elite, we have to move on. In year 6, if this team doesn't have an elite qb, we have to move on. Look at what teams did in the draft just to get a chance to get one. Philly did it last year. It is now a trend
     
  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Its a stupid outlook. Reasons are not excuses. There are legitimate REASONS why we could struggle next year, that would have nothing to do with Tannehill. Its similar to when people said we shouldn't do anything with our oline, since we had so much invested in it already.
     
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  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Jesus, God, Mary & Joseph...sometimes I think some of you complain for the sake of complaining. Three years under Joe Philbin, we have mediocre seasons with his last year being a 6-10 season. Adam Gase, in his FIRST year as HC takes this team...
    with Tannehill
    with Landry
    with Pouncy
    with Suh
    etc...
    and goes from 6-10 to 10-6 and the playoffs. Incredible turnaround in a single season and you guys STILL complain.

    I swear to God I think if we were to win the Super Bowl, you guys would complain because we didn't have a perfect season.
    If we had a perfect season, some of you would complain at the audacity of the 2017 Dolphins usurping the 1972 Dolphins.

    There's just NO pleasing some of you at all.
     
  6. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I am not pleased with your post. :shifty:
     
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  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Not sure if you're serious...
     
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  8. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    Charles Harris is a 3rd or 4th round pick that we took at 1st
     
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  9. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I'm a Tannehill Advocate, but enough is enough already. I have seen 4 teams in the past two years mortgage their future for QB's. Tells me it is important, not that they are incompetent. I guess I am waiting for him to be elite. Because the chase to build a perfect team, with guards, DT's and LB's will never happen. Not with Free Agency. The qb is the one who can fill the holes.
     
  10. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    If every team got rid of their QB's at, say years 5-7, when they played like RT Matt Ryan (one example) would no longer be a Falcon. Just food for thought.

    The thing with RT is he has progressed every year even though his coaches and teammates (o-line mainly) have been shuffled in and out. Being able to progress in that situation means something...
     
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  11. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Seriously? :shifty:
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Enough is enough. Tell Phillip Rivers how an elite QB fills all the other holes. Or Drew Brees. Or any other number of good to great QBs who don't win a lot because of bad players around them.

    Honestly, this notion that all you need is an elite QB is silly. An elite QB on a bad team isn't winning tons of games, so why are people expecting a good QB to do it?

    Let's not forget, people have been using this argument about Tannehill since almost day one. Its not like this argument just appeared recently.
     
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  13. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    How does Brady do it? They spent $1.6M on guards last year and were down to their 3rd stringers
     
  14. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    he sees the open guy and throws it, no need for progressions.
     
  15. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Cheating..It's not hard to get the ball out in 2 seconds when you know the defensive plays...lol

    Seriously though, it's coaching. BB is a master at calling plays that take into account all of his players. I think Gase had RT doing that last season.

    (The pats do cheat though)
     
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  16. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Is that a reason? Or an excuse?
     
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  17. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well played. :up:
     
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  18. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Yes
     
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  19. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    The RT excuses really are the worst.

    1. It's not that he is not accurate it's that our reciever have bad catch radius.

    2. He is not a pro bowler because our oline sucks, even though we have 3 or 4 first round picks and three pro bowlers on the Oline and tanehill takes a lot of sacks because he had poor pocket presence snd and held on to the ball too long.

    I mean the only real excuse that holds any water with Tannehill is that he was a raw and developing quarterback who was new to the position coming out of college therefore we needed to be patient while he learned and got better in several areas.

    Luckily it seems he was finally coming into his own toward the end of last season before the injury.

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  20. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    1. He's incredibly accurate to all receivers not Wallace. Fact. Deny, cry, rant, rave. It's irrelevant.
    2. When 3 of those 1st round olinemen play, he's like 10 or 11 to 1 in wins. Fact. Deny, cry, rant, rave. It's irrelevant.

    You're wrong now. You were wrong then. And if you keep spouting the same debunked bs in the future then you'll be wrong later.

    All of this has been proven beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt.
     
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  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm constantly amazed at how roundly we are criticised, when everything we've said, literally has been proven true (in regards to the conversations about Tannehill, that's for you, jdang, I know you like to lawyer me).
     
  22. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I don't think a lot of the responders here are on the same wavelength with the OP here. Maybe because Marijuana isn't legal in their state yet. :(

    Lighten up Francis!

    Or Light 'em up Francis! Depending on location.
     
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  23. Bpk

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    It's all good for padding the thread stats. :)
     
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  24. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    These first two excuses you mention belong in the "No Excuses" thread, because you dislike these excuses. To remind you of this, I made them Jets green.

    The orange excuse, however, is perfect for our "Yes, Excuses!" thread so I have made it Dolphins orange!
     
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  25. jdang307

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    BB doesn't call the plays. McDaniels does. The Patriots offense is ridiculously complex, in contrast to the Manning/Moore which was ridiculously simple. But the two approaches helped their QBs do one thing. Predict who is going to be open based on what the defense is showing.

    Manning would shuffle his guys based on what he saw, and they would just run it. Patriots do that plus a lot of post snap sight adjustments on the fly.

    Those two are savants, more than anyone else, even Rodgers IMO. Rodgers is just ridiculously on a physical level, and being close mentally. But it takes years to get there.

    But that's how you get the ball out in 2 seconds.
     
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  26. jdang307

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    This is the excuses thread so I won't mention that nobody is ready to crown him just yet, that his 2016 wasn't all that much better than 2014 stats wise (even his great stretch was not better than his great stretch in 2014) even with better receivers

    That you guys think everything you said came to be true, but so do we. We said he needed to get better, that those other things were just excuses and we were isolating what he was doing well, and not. He needed to be more cerebral, and he looked the part in the latter part of the year (save against the Ravens who told the broadcasting team that Tanny is easily tricked by pre-snap movement).

    So you either think he played exactly the same in 2015 as he did in 2016, and his circumstances were better, that he did not progress this year ... or you think he got better. Which is what we said needed to be done.

    But this is the excuse thread. So I won't mention all of that. Thankfully Gase isn't Lazor who went into IDGAF stage in year 2, after people were afraid of losing him to a HC job after year 1.

    As far as excuses, well he's gonna be slowed by a knee injury and those take 18-24 months to fully go away even if fully healed.
     
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  27. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I love RT,but what I know about qb's is that the ones that have the most excuses eventually move on. kind of like the real world work force
     
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  28. Phins_to_Win

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    1. We thought our O-line would be better.
    2. We thought our O-line would be better.
    3. We thought our O-line would be better.
    ... wait are we not doing the excuses the Dolphins organization kept giving Ryan Tannehill every year?
     
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  29. resnor

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    The difference is, you guys were often arguing that Tannehill needed to get better in order to win more games. However, reality shows us that to win more games, we actually needed the oline to play better, OR allow Tannehill more freedom to deal with defenses.

    Tannehill has improved on things every year. Difference in wins, though, was not about Tannehill improving, it was about the team improving.

    Unless, of course, you're arguing that Tannehill magically drastically improved his play after starting 1-4 last season.
     
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  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Wrong.

    "But the way it’s structured here is, I’ll take responsibility for all the plays that are called. I have the final say on it. If I don’t want to run the play, then I can call it off – that’s my right as a head coach. Any of the bad ones, you can blame me for because ultimately I could change them if I wanted to."

    ---Bill "Cheatin'" Belichick

    In truth it's their master cheater, Ernie Adams, that's in Bill's ear calling plays, giving advise, telling BB when to throw the red flag, etc....

    And this is why most of the Pat's coordinators who leave for a HC job usually fail. No more Ernie.

    McDaniels and Patricia call plays, but typically it's after it goes through Bill and/or Ernie. And in the instances that that doesn't happen, Bill or Ernie can still, and will, change the play.
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    If vegas wins their bet what and who can we blame?
     
  32. Fin D

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    How can we know that beforehand? What if a lot of important players are injured for example?
     
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  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    then we blame injuries.
     
  34. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    We would have won at least two more Super Bowls if not for the World Football League....
     
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  35. Fin-O

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    Ryan deserved every bit of criticism he received from guy's like me, DJ, Dang etc. His surroundings were bad, but he wasn't holding up his end of the bargain either.

    He was an average at best QB with average at best surroundings. he was never "horrible" or "sucked" or any of that BS. He was just underperforming.

    Insert the Qb whisperer, yes the guy who made Tim Tebow 8-2 with a playoff win! And naturally things start to change. Going from Joe Philbin to Adam Gase is the equivalent of jerking off with sand paper to sleeping with a Puerto Rican model.

    Now? We have a QB that will not be so dependant on his surroundings because he can move in the pocket and actually has improved his awareness and plays like he is in a system that he believes in. You can see the confidence in his play late last year.

    I think another huge step in his progress is about to take place, and it will have little to do with his OL.
     
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  36. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    You say jerking off with sand paper like it's a bad thing???????? :headscratch:
     
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  37. resnor

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    Tannehill was underperforming with average surroundings?

    This is why we have arguments, as I don't believe either of those things to be the case.
     
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  38. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I don't even bother with the Tannehill arguments anymore.
    -I've watched him his entire career in Miami.
    -I've watched the entire TEAM his entire career in Miami.
    -I've watched the "strategy" of the coaching staff his entire career in Miami.
    -I've seen the numbers he's produced his entire career in Miami.

    Is Tannehill a Brady, Brees or Manning? No. Is he a Marino, Kelly or Elway? No, but he is just as good if not better than Luck, Ryan, Rivers, Eli Manning and Smith and it was PROVEN last season when he led this team, with a MUCH improved coaching staff and better game plans to a 10-6 record with a defense that gave up more yards than all but one other team in the league.

    Had Tannehill not gone down with that knee injury, it's indeed possible we would have won 1-2 more games but even with that...there woould be some that would STILL complain that Tannehill was the team's problem.

    Damn, I just said I dont bother with the Tannehill arguments anymore and what did I just do? :tongue2:
     
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  39. Fin-O

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    I realize that.

    But what you NEED to realize is that both of our beliefs are opinions not facts. And it shouldn't frustrate you that I don't think Ryan was a very good QB with very bad surroundings.


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  40. KeyFin

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    I don't like excuses...never have. But the one valid excuse I see for 2016 is that injuries kept us from making a solid playoff run. If Tannehill, Pouncey and Jones were 100%, we would have made some serious noise as the J-Train chugged along and Jones nipped out that over the middle stuff.
     

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