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Spotlight on Suh at #55

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, May 23, 2017.

  1. RealDolphinsFan2

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    He doesn't care what the truth is. Like many fans, he has an agenda and he is going to stick with it, simple as that. Must be tough talking so much smack about the 2 most important players on a team on the rise, that happens to also be the team you "support" smh.
     
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  2. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yes I did hear what Ironhead's kid said, but at the same time DJ, I'd take him over Suh, that dude is a beast.

    I have a question though, have you ever iso'ed Suh?

    Imo, the Jet game at the end of last year was the only game out of the 32 he's played for us that I thought he lived up to the billing.

    Honestly, how much better has he been than Starks was for us?

    When we signed him and I did go back and look at him I was surprised by what I saw, I had only known him through highlights, and he puts up great highlights so I thought he was one of, if not the best DT in the league.

    Tape however tells a different story, 2X handle him quite well, he gets pushed off his spot routinely, and his big plays come when they come, sporadically, he's not an every down "force to be reckoned with" player.

    The problem is, he's getting paid like one, the guy is getting starting QB money, lol, and his effect on the game is no where near that imo.
     
  3. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Or is it you not wanting to see the truth?

    I was a fan of Suh before I got a chance to see him game in and game out, then once I watched tape I wasn't as impressed, I have no agenda, that's silly, what would it be based on?

    When we first signed him I said he was the 5th -7th best DT, at the end of that year the top 100 also had him as the 5th ranked DT.

    So I guess I have the same agenda as the players in the league.
     
  4. RealDolphinsFan2

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    You act like since you "watch tape" you are some sort of expert, it's a joke. You even compare Suh to CK, when we both know damn well you didn't watch CK's career unless you were living in Seattle lol, so you obviously aren't qualified to give a fair and accurate comparison. Cox is rated higher than Suh on this list and he definitely did not have a better year, to provide just 1 example of how wrong you are, but I know you don't care. The only thing you are more off based with in regards to Suh is your belief that the "RT era is over", that was a good one lol. Or maybe it's just me not wanting to see the truth again and not you, who knows, the season hasn't started yet. There's still time for Miami to cut Tannehill, you could still be right. But don't worry, sports in general are extremely subjective and you will never have to admit you were wrong with anything, you can just change/justify your positions, good thing you don't have any agendas lol. You should just try and support your team like most fans do and be optimistic, but some people like to pretend to "know it all" lol. I bet you haven't taken a snap of tackle football in your entire life...
     
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  5. cbrad

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    If Tannehill starts a single game this season there is no wiggling out of that "RT era is over" prediction.

    With Suh.. I think the only comparable "no wiggle out" scenario would be if Suh makes the HoF. Thing is.. HoF is tough even for top players and even if Suh makes it that's far in the future so I'm guessing this Finster/Suh debate will go on for quite awhile haha.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Wait...where/when did Finster say that the RT era is over?
     
  7. cbrad

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    Last few weeks of the 2016 season once Moore started he repeatedly said Gase will cut RT in the offseason. Nothing wrong with making predictions but this one had such conviction to it and kept reoccurring it's hard to forget.
     
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  8. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Lol, so you can have an opinion and I can't?

    What a joke.
     
  9. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yes I said it last year, but when I said it I wasn't thinking about the injury clause in RT's contract, this years money was guaranteed due to the injury, so they couldn't cut him.

    If he hadn't been injured I believe he wouldn't be on the team, and I think this is his last year here.
     
  10. jdang307

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    As crazy as Finster's opinion is on RT (I don't agree with you Finny, but you be you) it's no crazier than saying one possible HOF'er and another possible GOAT would be out of this league by now, if drafted by Miami in 2012.

    Finster's opinion is closer to reality than the other two IMO.
     
  11. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I remember that now. I don't think his clause his why he's here.
     
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  12. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    That's fair, even though I'm crazy in this scenario :yahoo:.

    I can deal with that :cool:.
     
  13. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    That's fair, I can see why people like RT, I don't think he sucks, he's got some great traits, I just think he's lacking in a couple of crucial traits, he's a good QB but he's not great and imo if you don't have great you keep searching at the QB position.

    Jimo.
     
  14. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    You just can't help but be butthurt when your boy Brady is criticized, huh?

    And weren't you whining the other day about people bringing up Brady? lol

    As for your hurt feelings, if Brady, as a skinny, weak, non-mobile QB had been sacked 4 million times during his first 5 seasons (As RT has) in the league, yes, I do believe he would no longer be in the league. RT has been sacked 50 times more than Brady was in his first 5 seasons even though RT played in 2 less games. Hell, Brady wasn't even good enough to start in his first season. haha
     
  15. jdang307

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    I didn't mention his name. And it doesn't change the fact it's crazy. It's close to the craziest thing I've read on this forum, and I've read a lot. It's literally insane.
     
  16. danmarino

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    Bwhaha! You didn't mention his name? Really? That's the best you got to defend yourself? That's it?

    No wonder you no longer practice law and "hate it". lol

    And I didn't even mention the cheating. Brady won (at least) his 1st 3 Super Bowls due to cheating. if he had not of been thrown into that atmosphere he would have sank lower than his 199th pick in the draft. haha
     
  17. cbrad

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    Just so it's clear, from my perspective what was "crazy" about the prediction was that Gase would cut Tannehill, NOT your assessment that he's "lacking in some crucial traits" or that he's "a good QB not a great one". I mean I agree with all that too (and I agree you should always keep searching until you find a great one!).

    But a HC has to think of the consequences for himself and his team over the next few years of actually getting rid of "good" to search for "great" (very risky) as opposed to keeping "good" while searching for "great" (much less risky). So for me it wasn't your assessment of the QB that was crazy but your assessment of the coach/GM!
     
  18. danmarino

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    More insanity from former NFL football player Louis Riddick ...at least according to jdang:

    “If you’re going to get coached in New England, I promise you, you’re getting PhD-level coaching. You go get coached at some of these other places, I couldn’t tell you what kind of coaching you’re getting. If Tom Brady doesn’t go to New England … if Ben Roethlisberger doesn’t get drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers and gets drafted by some of the old coaching staffs of the Cincinnati Bengals, Ben Roethlisberger may not be in the league anymore. Tom Brady may not be in the league anymore.”

    http://www.espn.com/blog/new-englan...have-been-the-same-if-not-drafted-by-patriots
     
  19. Finster

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    I thought MM ran his O better than RT, so he would still have good(at a much lower price) while he searched for great.

    That extra 20 mil would have been able to get us more players or better players, making the team better overall imo.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA H

    I disagree
     
  21. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    That's fine.
     
  22. finsfandan

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    That's not an argument. Moore had a better passer rating. It might not be an aberration considering him and Tannehill's career ratings aren't far off. Tannehill is sitting at 86.5 and Moore is at 82.0.

    Just making that distinction for the inevitable argument about how Jimmy G outperformed Brady. There's more of a body of work to compare between our two guys.


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  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And that shows how much passer rating is a team stat as much as it is a quarterback stat. The Buffalo game is the prime example on how a qb can have a pretty bad game and still have a great passer rating.
     
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  24. finsfandan

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    Everybody knows quarterbacks are dependent on their teams and vice versa. I'm getting at the body of work over their careers that indicate Moore's performance might not be an aberration. Their career ratings' aren't off by much at all.


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  25. danmarino

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    No there's not.
     
  26. danmarino

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    Over their careers?

    You mean a 5 year starter with nearly 80 games under his belt compared to a 9 year back-up who has NEVER started a season and finished it with less than 30 starts in those 9 years?

    You keep proving everyone right and they don't even have to say a word. lol
     
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  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    if it is not an aberration, that would mean that Moore has been poor his entire career and carried by the team.
     
  28. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Well, MM has started 15 games for us, while their guy has 4.
     
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  29. danmarino

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    MM has started 3 games in this system. RT has started 13.

    Brady has started 235 games in that system and Garop started 3.
     
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  30. finsfandan

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    You can slice and dice it anyway you want to, but the stats show that if you give him opportunities, he'll do as well as Tannehill or even better. Their career ratings are off by 4.5 points and with the same team, Moore did better most recently.


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  31. finsfandan

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    No, it means if you kept playing Moore, his most recent performances might not be a departure from what is normal.


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  32. Finster

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    To add to this, MM has an 89 rating as a Dolphin and also has a winning record as a Dolphin(8-7).
     
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  33. finsfandan

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    How does that compare to Tannehill?


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  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    His most recent performances were bad.
     
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  35. danmarino

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    In the real world, MM has NEVER been a full fledged starting QB in the NFL for any team. RT, OTOH, has been a starter from day 1 of his first season.

    32 NFL teams are wrong about Matt Moore, even teams who are/have starting/started QB's like Chad Henne, Mark Sanchez, Brock Osweiler, Blake Bortels, and Tyrod Taylor...to name a few.
     
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  36. finsfandan

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    He outperformed Tannehill this season in the games he played. I'm pretty sure his passer rating is close to Tannehill's as a Dolphin or even better. Wait, if it's 89 then it's better.


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  37. finsfandan

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    Moore has a higher rating as a Dolphin than Tannehill so what does that say about Tannehill and all these brilliant GMs that get fired all the time?


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  38. danmarino

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    Where and when have I personally attacked you?

    Gorap has a better passer rating than Brady.
     
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  39. Finster

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    37-40 and 86.5.
     
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  40. danmarino

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    Matt Moore has one season where is could be looked at as anything close to a full season...in his 4th season he started 12 games.

    In that LONE "starting season", in his 4th year in the NFL, he finished with 16 TD, 9INT's, 2497 yards, and an 87 passer rating.

    RT, OTOH, in the last 3 seasons, 45 games, has average a 91 passer rating.


    In no real world in Matt Moore better than, or even close to, Ryan Tannehill.
     
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