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Winning the Division and Being Successful Hinges on One Player. Who is it?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, May 31, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Im going w Pouncey. I know what his value when healthy brings


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  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'd go with Pouncey on offense, and whoever the MLB happens to be on defense. On special teams, I'm picking Grant.

    I know that's three people but darn it, I cheated. Serves you right for making me respond to a Pats thread about onesies.
     
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  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    tannehill..qb can do a few specific things to win games, every game..
     
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  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Tom Brady.

    He goes down that's the end of it.
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    They really showed them last year without him. Patriots are winning 11-12 with or without him.
     
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  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Based on what?
     
  7. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Winning the division and being successful doesn't hinge on one player.


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  8. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dolphins went 2-1 and a save with Matt Moore.

    That's a better win ratio than Tanny even if you handed him the AZ or not.

    Yeah, dumb to play that game.
     
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  9. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I don't follow. Using a small sample size to rate Moore over Tannehill supports using a small sample size to say Brady is irrelevant to the Patriots?
     
  10. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, I'm saying using a small sample size for Garap vs Brady is silly, just like it would be to do the same for Moore/Tannehill.
     
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  11. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    So we agree?
     
  12. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol. Yes
     
  13. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Okay. I had it the other way around there. Thanks for clarifying.
     
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  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Harris.

    If Miami has two outside pass rushers who can get consistent pressure on the quarterback and help stop those annoying 4th and long first downs, then Miami can go far.
     
  15. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Rashad Jones. I think the offense is set. If the D can't get better than they were against the run we'll have a losing season. Teams are going to line up and cram it down their throats till they stop them. And we are up against some power running teams next year.

    9 of the thirteen teams we play next year are in the top 16 rushing teams from last season.
    Fluffy Hos = 1
    Tennessee =3
    Atlanta =5
    Oakland =6
    pasties = 8
    Carolina= 10
    yets= 12
    KC =15
    New Orleans = 16

    That's 12 games against teams in the top of the league rushing last year. They need to get better FAST!
     
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  16. brandon27

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    I didn't know if I'd ever agree with you, but this just feels so right.

    :lol:
     
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  17. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill, obviously.

    If one other than the QB, on offense probably Pouncey...defense, probably Wake.

    I think you have to think closest to the football...CBs and S are too far back to be that critical, IMO.
     
  18. Fin D

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    Safeties are INCREDIBLY important. They are the lynchpin of the defense.
     
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  19. Pauly

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    Has to be Tannehill.

    For it not to be Tannehill we need to have a 1972 Dolphins type team which has great players at all other levels of the offense and defense. We're just not there, and in the salary cap era its almost impossible to achieve.
     
  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it can be Tannehill no matter how you spin it. Stills (and the kicker) lost game one last year. Parker dropped the tying TD pass in the end zone in week two. The line completely collapsed in weeks 3, 4 and 5. Tannehill played above average (minus a few really bad plays) in all five games and it wasn't anywhere near enough.

    Then flip to the end of the season. We rattle off 7 of 8 and Tannehill gets knocked out for the count. Moore steps in and plays like a superstar....three very solid wins when nobody knew what to expect. He played well against NE and Pitt as well but other parts of the team self destructed- those weren't Moore's games to win. Just look at that NE game- down by two scores in the fourth quarter and Moore drives us the length of the field. We're 15 yards from an end-zone dance and <whiff> a completed pass and run turns into a fumble and a TD going the other way. That's definitely not a Tannehill or Moore issue.

    But even more than that, the defense just sucked...people ran all over us.

    I'm not saying that Tannehill doesn't have to play at a high level for it to be a great season, but the goal here is not to win 34-31 shootouts on the final drive. That's not the path to solid playoff football. And as great as those 10 wins were last season while keeping us on the edge of our seats, we're not getting a playoff win if Tannehill (or Moore) needs to carry this team.

    Pain and simple, we need to stop the run. We need better play from our guards. We need the cornerbacks to stop being such glaring weaknesses down the stretch. We need Reshad to light people up like only he can. We need linebackers stuffing holes. And that means it's impossible to name one player that will make or break the season- not when entire sections played like garbage in the last 3-4 games.

    We need our whole defense to show up- that's the one thing missing.
     
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  21. Bpk

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    12th man
     
  22. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    can't you just play without complaining? oh and as for the one player, Brady
     
  23. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Important, sure. Lynchpin...not close. If your Safety is your best player, your defense probably isn't good.
     
  24. Fin D

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    Yeah, no. The safety is what holds many defensive schemes together and makes them work. It is because they are generally the most versatile players on defense playing the most versatile position on defense.
     
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  25. EverFin

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    The Player who enables Ajayi to run wild.
     
  26. Rickysabeast

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    I missed Moore playing like a superstar. He won the first game because there was no tape on him since they stopped filming on VHS in the 70's. After that, they had him figured out. He threw I think 4 INTs and had like 4 fumbles so, I think he could get a grade of a solid C+ at best.

    I agree, the areas of the team that were efficient last year need to step up big while our strengths need to at least maintain if not improve. It's a team game so, I don't think it'll come down to one guy. Everyone needs to play lights out every play every game. We weren't one player away last year. Enter units of the team were playing like crap at one time or another OL, LB, DB, Kicking game. They all need to be better while the good areas stay good or get even better.
     
  27. Fin D

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    Strength and conditioning coach.

    Injuries were the number one reason we didn't beat the Steelers.

    And yes, all teams deal with injuries, but I seriously doubt there's a team to start the playoffs without their QB and a majority of their starting defense, and go anywhere.
     
  28. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Answer of the post!!!!!!


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  29. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Well, the quarterbacks with the best overall ratings last season were named Ryan (117.1), Brady (112.2) and Moore (105.6). Only one of them never took a single snap with their first team offense until week 13. Likewise, only one of them has rode the bench for the past five years. I would certainly call that person a superstar.
     
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  30. finsfandan

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    I'm not complaining, I'm being accurate. You're starting off with a false premise.

    If you're assuming which player would give us the best chance of winning the division, then yes, it's Brady going down. However, that's always the case, so there's no point in making this thread or ever asking the question.

    If you're asking who would be our MVP if we somehow won the division, I'm betting Ajayi.


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  31. danmarino

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    Garop had a 113.3 without ever starting an NFL game his entire NFL career and he sat on the bench the last 3 years. Why did you leave him off of your "superstar" list?
     
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  32. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Here we go...


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  33. Rickysabeast

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    I agree. Moore came back to earth really fast after that first game.
     
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  34. Fin D

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    Why "here we go"? What is wrong with the point made?

    If what Moore did was superstar then the same goes for Garop, no?
     
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  35. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I just find it funny that some here like to compare RT to Moore last season and claim that Moore is the superior QB due to their passer ratings, but those same people would never claim that Garop is superior to Brady. haha
     
  36. danmarino

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    I assumed the "here we go" comment was regarding the tears streaming down his face. lol
     
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  37. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I've never said Moore is superior outright. I've said he's a better value and I'd rather have signed him for a longer contract a while ago and spent the difference in their salaries on other positions while drafting QBs in the mid rounds.

    Have fun looking for a post where I've said otherwise.


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  38. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Danmarino isn't addressing the initial point made by KeyFin. He's turning it into another Tannehill thread.

    Yes, Garoppolo played like a superstar too, but KeyFin's point was that Tannehill didn't move the needle anymore than Moore, so he can't be the answer to OP's question.


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  39. resnor

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    I don't think winning the division comes down to one player. I think its a fraudulent argument, and, this mentality, imo, is why there's so many freaking arguments over Tannehill.
     
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  40. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Nah. There's so many arguments about Tannehill because posters don't agree on his value or where he stands in rankings. I don't think any reasonable poster believes our success depends mostly on him.


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