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Defense getting the best of the offense early, a good sign or no?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin-O, May 31, 2017.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    It is early...

    But I think we all agree that our offense especially the playmakers SHOULD be superior to the Def in the end. But in most of these reports these DB's are balling day in and day out.

    We just heard the DB's have 6 INT returns for TD's already, then this.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-notes-20170531-story.html

    Couldn't be happier that our young Corners are strong out of the gate, because we need them to emerge as we know what we have in Landry/Parker (sorta) and Stills.

    But it's humn nature to monitor this and see if the offense starts to take advantage of these young guy's....assuming they can.
     
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  2. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    This time of year the defense is always ahead of the offense. It is encouraging though.
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Yup, the defense has been ahead of the offense every season lately. That's because they just have to react...the offense has to run with precision.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    charles harris with two sacks on Tunsil
     
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  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Just surprised when we have such a young proven talented WR core that they are getting handled it seems.

    Would love to see what's really going on


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  6. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, and last year had the offense had the "excuse" of first year in the system. What is the excuse this year? I thought this was the breakout year for the offense?

    OF course if the defense back field is that much improved it is a win win.
     
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  7. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Look. Tanehill's main competition until week one is our defense. We need them to be as good as possible to cause him to continue to grow. It's competition and every single person on the roster is a competitor. They want to shine. The O will pull ahead but the D is going to pressure them. We need all facets to be at their best when the season starts so I hope they all make life tough on each other.
     
  8. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    never sure which is better. You just hope to see playmaking on both ends
     
  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Doesn't concern me at this point. I mean, it's the first round of OTA's. Defense is typically ahead at this point. If we were like, week 2 or so of preseason, then I'd be concerned. Most of the INT's and pick 6's we read about last week were from Moore and Fales if I remember correctly, sounds like Tanny tossed one here too now though. Hey, whatever, it's early (and that's an understatement), but I think I'm more excited about the fact that our DB's are being aggressive and making plays like this at this point than I am concerned about the offense. Especially given the fact our OL isn't exactly in top form right now based on talent and availability. It sounds like this should be a lesson for the WR's to be more aggressive, but at the same time, it could be some terrible throws from our QB stable. Fact is, nobody really knows because we can't see it. To me, as I said I'm just happy to see and hear that it sounds like the DB's are ramping up the competition out there. That's a good thing, that's how teams get better.
     
  10. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    LMAO!

    Maybe they can at least get into pre-season before you start proclaiming the offense as a bust and asking for excuses for bad play. haha
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Isn't there a saying that the defense is always ahead of the offense in the OTAs/TC?

    They are in underwear for crying out loud.
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    This is nearly always the case with every single team.
     
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  13. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    This year however the D is rife with new players while the O is predominantly the same and they have been working with each other this offseason, unlike the D.

    The passing O should be ahead of the D at this point.
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Not based on history, facts or anything significant though.

    For example, there's no hitting, which means it is infinitely easier for the defense to do their thing.
     
  15. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    True, but it's a double edged sword, the WRs and QB don't have to worry about being hit either.

    I'm not worried at this point, but I would have expected more from the passing O with all the work that was put in this offseason, and how everyone showed up to RT's organized practices.
     
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  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    It's not really though. There's no real obstacle to getting past a lineman without pads and hitting, while a QB is "tackled" if the player comes within 5 feet of him.

    Not only that but defense by design is reactive which means they are better suited to defending against rusty and learning offenses. The reactive part of the offense can only come after pads and hitting. Until then, the defense knows the plays and has all the other advantages.
     
  17. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    not in NE LOL
     
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  18. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    How about you go ahead and just make an excuse already?
     
  19. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    Training camp can't come soon enough.

    Damn.
     
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  20. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    This isn't a rusty and learning O though, RT ran organized practices and everyone showed up, it is a rusty and learning D though.

    I'm not worried at this stage, it's early, early.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Only Allen is new. The defensive backfield isn't rusty and learning.

    All offensive line vs defensive line is useless without pads. Not even worth commenting on, except how their technique looks.
     
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  22. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Well Allen, TJ McDonald and Tank are new, Allen is a back up for Jones and will probably hold down the fort until TJ's suspension is over, so 2 of the top 3 S's are new, and a possible top 3 CB as well.

    The DC is new, even if he is running an extremely similar D, he is different, and he has to get adjusted to being the DC, we have no idea if he can handle it.

    Then we have a couple guys coming off injury, with Reshad not having played since early last year, and I'm really not worried about any of it, lol, it's all fairly run of the mill NFL stuff, but there is new and rusty in there.

    The passing O however, has already been working together this offseason, and the only new guys are the 2 TEs, they should have a leg up you would think.
     
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  23. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The defense should be ahead of the offense I dunno if that is borne by evidence. That's said, they aren't even In pads yet. Who cares.
     
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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Tank is not playing 3rd CB at this moment.

    The new DC isn't going to be tested by OTAs.
     
  25. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Which is why it's vitally importantthat this D be ahead of the O now. If this offense was abusing them in shorts, what would real offenses do to them?

    Having said that, I'm loving the reviews of Harris, McMillan, and Tankersly...at least they don't seem lost or out of shape. Asiata...a very tiny bit concerned!
     
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  26. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Much Ado... Our beefed up attacking defense has been on display while the guys are in shirts and shorts, and from all accounts playing musical chairs on the interior of the OL with Ted Larsen, Eric Smith, Bushrod, Jesse Davis, and some other OL bodies.

    Good news is that Charles Harris has been displaying why we took him with our first pick, Jordan Phillips was praised him for his improved consistency in effort and play and we have a much improved CB and Safety corp.

    Gase has also been retraining the WRs on sideline and EZ play to stay on their feet and not jump for balls needlessly as it's too easy for DBs to push them OOB.

    Not sure why some seem to be trying to paint this a failure of the Offense or WRs... DBs bark and talk cause that's what they do. Wait for the pads in July before trying to make hay out of practice performances.
     
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  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Kiko on Raekwon..

    " He's big, fast, and great"
     
  28. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    Let's just keep in mind our plays are likely the most basic we run at this time of year. Also they will be repeated time and time again. its just about basics, etc.

    Let's not go too crazy at the moment. It just became June, and I'll say it again - June.

    Everyone come back inside from the ledge please.
     
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  29. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    It's not a big deal that the D is ahead...it would be a bid deal if they werent.
     
  30. bakedmatt

    bakedmatt Well-Known Member

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    I remember when we scrimmed with the Carolina Panthers in August of 2015, and our D supposedly dominated them.
     
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  31. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    :whistling:
     
  32. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Maybe because no one is calling it a failure by the offense...

    Man, some people around here really struggle with non basic conversations. The point was that we have much much more youth and inexperience on the defensive side of the ball and thus far it was encouraging to hear how well they were doing.

    -Everyone knows they are in shorts
    -Everyone knows the defense was bad last year so gee, maybe let's discuss our young additions
    -Oh, its June? Wow...you guy's are breaking serious ground around here

    We have one side of the ball with proven playmakers and the other side with young unproven front 7 players. The battle should be monitored all through camp, and not one conclusion was made that they are "better" than the offense.

    It's a talking point, destroyed by cliche playground comments and a truck full of hyperbole per usual.
     
  33. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well, when the thread title says "good sign or no," you probably should expect pushback from people saying, "It's June, and they're in shorts."
     
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  34. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    But why "pushback"? I wasn't "pushing" anything? It was a basic question that naturally people around here take to weird levels. It's an odd theme that is all to common.
     
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  35. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Don't chide others on reading comprehension when you misquoted what I said. Re-read the thread. The usual same couple of guys are indeed "painting" the offense as somehow failing or being behind without accounting for the new players and rotating pieces in play on offense and already asking what the "excuses" are already as though these OTAs mean anything in regards to how the offense or defense will actually play this season when it matters.
     
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  36. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Who?
     
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  37. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    The head coach of the Miami Dolphins made the comment and the beat writers there.
     
  38. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Because people think it's silly to draw any conclusions right now, or start a thread asking for conclusions.
     
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  39. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    The people who think it is silly should just troll a Tannehill thread then.

    And again (thats twice) nobody needs to "draw a conclusion" right now? What the hell are you talking about? Who asked for a conclusion? :chuckle:
     
  40. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The initial post. That would be you.
     
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