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How good will Tannehill be in 2017?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by zatrex99, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Naw, it doesn't really bother me except in the moment....they're just showing that they are idiots who know nothing about our team. The real part that makes me angry is that they're probably earning 3-5x what you and I do to give generic answers. The Chris Collinsworth's of the world are a dying breed- I just hate everything about the media these days and how they think news should be a way to push agendas.
     
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  2. cbrad

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    I think only the 2000 Ravens were truly "generational". Compared to that 2000 team, the Seahawks aren't close in terms of points allowed.

    Ravens in 2000 have the record for fewest points allowed per game in a 16 game season: 10.3
    Seahawks from 2012-2015: 15.3, 14.4, 15.9, 17.3

    That's a HUGE difference. Now.. to be fair one should adjust stats by era. Points per game rose by about 2 during that period. That still gives you 2+ ppg difference which is pretty big for average difference.

    Not saying Seahawks don't have a great defense.. like I said I put the 2013 Seahawks up there because they destroyed a record setting offense in the biggest game, but that 2000 Ravens defense was special and shouldn't be denigrated.
     
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  3. cbrad

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    Totally agree with this.. thing is it's a trade-off right now.

    In the US you get relatively easy access to the information you want but there's so much bias in the media. In some other countries (e.g. Japan) you get very little bias but the media just doesn't cover that much. Would be nice if we had the best of both worlds.
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What was the average each year? You need to put it into the context of the year. Average points per game are up 2 to 3 points overall since 2000. Offense are higher scoring now.

    Also, I disagree. 2000 Ravens defense was a good flash in the pan defense. They had a great season, however, the Seahawks defense is truly generational. The dominance it has displayed over the years has never been done before.
     
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  5. cbrad

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    Yeah I pointed out average points per game is up 2+ points. Not sure the actual number of points scored per game matters that much but it was 20.7 in 2000 and 22.6-23.4 from 2012-2015.

    I think my use of the word "generational" is different than your use of it. I just mean it was historically great in that year, nothing else.
     
  6. KeyFin

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    I realize that we're blessed to be in an open society with freedom of speech, so don't get me wrong- I'm not complaining about the system. My problem is how the media chooses to represent themselves now that traditional newspapers and magazines are fading out- it's like standards went straight out the window.

    For instance, he's a perfect example- Trump said that Hillary belonged in jail. That's slander...the woman is innocent until proven guilty and it is illegal to make statements like that. But it got the whole country thinking- if Trump and a billion media outlets said it, then it must be true. Folks, the media flat-out changed the outcome of a presidential election. It doesn't get any bigger than that.

    I mean, we're investigating Russia for tampering but we have proof that the media tampered at a higher level. Yet we don't bat an eye because of the first amendment....even when it's used to infringe on others rights.

    But did Hillary leak state secrets? You can search for HOURS and not get any closer to knowing than you are right now. That's because you get thousands of pages of opinion pieces dressed up to resemble facts. That's what the new standard is- print whatever you want as long as it gets clicks. And it's disgusting....the entire media has sold out.

    By the way, I'm not trying to start a political conversation here- I don't particularly like Hillary or Trump. But there's no possible way that a rumor should knock the polls leader out of a race completely- I don't care who it is.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I use it to mean historically great period. Doing something thing that has never been done before. Ravens had one good year, however, Seahawks are a much better defense.
     
  8. cbrad

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    It's going to get a lot worse IMO.. until the repercussions are big enough that people decide different rules for the net are needed. At least that's what I predict. So strap on for the ride!

    Also regarding Japan.. note that they are like 10 years behind on a lot of the internet stuff that's common here (people don't trust the net as much there).
     
  9. KeyFin

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    I run a digital marketing firm so it's something I've been very passionate about since the Internet started (here's a link to my company, in case you're curious- https://upstatesynergy.com/). Google had one rule- the site that provides the best quality will appear #1 in the search engines. Everyone else replicated that as well but at some point, we stopped worrying about quality and started focusing on clicks, shares and likes. What Google didn't realize though is that people will share bad stuff as much as the good. It's the pure shock value that Howard Stern used to dominate the radio waves for the past few decades.

    So morals dropped some at first and eventually disappeared completely- you'd be amazed at some of the stuff people ask me to help them with.

    For instance, I had a guy last month ask me to write him a course on digital marketing- so he could sell it on the internet and teach others how to become a great marketer. He knew next to nothing on the subject but that didn't seem to bother him- he was filming videos of him in a rented Ferrari and the whole she-bang to pretend being a self-made millionaire. This guy was a complete con artist and 30 years ago, he would have been thrown in jail. But on the Internet he's an entrepreneur chasing a dream.

    An even better one was a person who specializes in fake news- he has about a dozen sites that make stuff up to get clicks on social media. I'm talking about outrageous, ridiculous stuff that he should be sued for- Miley Cyrus Sacrificed and Ate a Live Kitten. But the laws are so difficult to prosecute him, he's getting rich off of clicks while the world scratches their head.

    Sorry- /rant off. The topic just rubbed a sore spot since I see it almost every minute of the day.
     
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  10. jdang307

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    Because in the end, it doesn't matter if you don't win the ring. So far, they won once, and got blown away in their second Super Bowl appearance letting the opposing QB complete the most passes ever, 4TDs, and a 101 rating. So far they have one ring. When you talk about the greatest, that matters.It's one thing if they gave up 10 and the offense scores 6. They gave up 28.
     
  11. jdang307

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    Bingo. The Seahawks defense in 2013 was very good. Their pass defense maybe the best ever. But they're 4-6 IMO. So one of the best. But not top 3. They've been able to sustain their high level longer. But no single year really stands out.

    The Dolphins were allowing 14-16 ppg under Johnson and Wanny.

    And let's be frank, it really isn't that hard to stifle Peyton Manning in the playoffs. It's been done every year he's played, including the years they won the SB ;)
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They won one and went to one. That is one more superbowl than the Ravens who didn't have a second appearance.
     
  13. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But they didn't win. You can't be great if you don't win it all, with so many great defenses actually winning it all. That's the only reason to play. Nobody has placed the Seahawks above the Ravens, because the Ravens were suffocating. 10.3 ppg was remarkable.

    85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, Dolphins, 86 Giants, Steelers in the 70s, Tampa.

    Nobody is giving the seahawks extra credit for going to a 2nd superbowl and giving up 4 TDs, 300 yards, and a 101 rating.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    that is silly announcer speak. Seahawks running the ball on the 1 is the difference between being great? That is the problem with judging based solely on rings.

    History has not been completed yet. The Seahawks defense is still going and still one of the best. Ravens defense was remarkable for one year and will be looked at as lower in 10 to 15 years when this Seahawks defense has some space.

    Edit: Ravens weren't even the best defense in their division the next season. Losing to the better defensive team in the divisional round.
     
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  15. KeyFin

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    While I want to agree with you, I just can't- winning it all matters. Just ask LeBron how he felt last night as Kevin Durant hoisted that championship trophy. LeBron may be the best player in the entire sport, but he sure doesn't feel like it today. At the end of the day, winning it all is the only thing that matters in the history books.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am not saying it doesn't matter. Just 2nd place is better than 6th.

    Edit: Also making the Superbowl two years in a row is significant. That is not easy. Especially being #1 in points and #1 in yards 2 years in a row. That is ridiculous. One injury to their best pass rusher and one of the dumbest decisions in sports on the offense shouldn't be the difference between good and great.

    Edit 2: Also, ask all of the teams who didn't make the championship if they wished they could be there and just have a shot at winning.
     
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  17. Fin-O

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    Relative to their respective Era's.....the 2000 Ravens were certainly a better defense.
     
  18. KeyFin

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    I don't disagree with you....but you're talking about "the best ever". That's a very elite category and it goes without saying, one of the main criteria is always winning it all. If Seattle doesn't have another few dominant years, then people won't even remember their Super Bowl loss or how good they played. That's just how history works.
     
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  19. cbrad

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    Best example: Dolphins' perfect season 1972 vs. Patriots fail 2007
     
  20. Pauly

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    Yes and no.
    For example internet shopping fits perfectly into their lifestyle and is a big thing. Internet banking on the other hand doesn't happen - the ATMs are only open for 2 -3 hours more than office hours and are closed on public holidays.
    Also there is a fait bit of make work. You'll see toll booths on the pay roads, when they were the ones that developed e-tags in the first place. Because they want people to have jobs and the government has laws against jobs being replaced by robots.
     
  21. cbrad

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    Oh it goes much further than that.

    Forget ATM's, that country still mostly uses cash while we use credit cards and debit cards (not to mention they're still mostly in the fax machine era lol). And small stores/shops rarely have websites so trying to find out what's located where or finding out what the shops offer online is MUCH harder than here (if at all possible). They're quite a bit behind in that regard.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The Ravens won it all the same amount of times as the Seahawks. They just went to less Superbowls and had less times #1 in points and #1 in points and yards.

    Also not true. The Saints 4 linebackers are still considered one of the best and were named the NFL top 10 Linebackering corp of all time even though they never went to a Superbowl.
     
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  23. Pauly

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    But in Japan the mentality is that if you want the local specialty you have to go to the local area to get it. So stores don't want to ship things over the internet.
    The big stores like Nitori all have solid websites and most of them are now have English support, and with the Japanese next day delivery service you get better home shopping than the US.

    In some ways Japan is more advanced, in others, especially money handling, they prefer the old ways.
     
  24. cbrad

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    Yeah let me be more specific. Outside of those big department stores, major restaurants at the train stations (Japanese equivalent of a mall in many cases), you're generally out of luck if you go to most cities and try to find where smaller shops/stores are online, including restaurants!

    I basically have to just walk around and find that stuff instead of planning things out ahead of time and I go to Japan for several weeks each year. So when I want gyoza, udon, etc.. got to walk around and see what's being offered. In the US you almost always find the locations and basic menus of restaurants around hotel locations online.

    Anyway, you're right about Japan being super-advanced in some ways and just way behind in others. In general, they're behind regarding electronic payment and internet services (except for major corporations). But their infrastructure is second to none (almost impossible to find a pothole in that entire country!.. and I mean even in the countrysides), the trains are clean, fast and mostly punctual. Actually the entire country is clean, efficient and extremely SAFE! Oh and they have the best toilets in the world haha (gotta go there to understand that comment!).

    Thing is.. I think so much of that efficiency is so that people can work, like work all day lol. The country is MADE for long (not necessarily efficient) working hours. Men are frowned upon if they go home too early (looks like they're not working lol) and while people get murdered in the US, in Japan you just commit suicide haha.

    But there is a cuteness on top of all that efficiency. Thank the women in the country for that.
     
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  25. jdang307

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    Not sure how we're onto Japan, but I just came back. The cool thing is, nobody eats or drinks on the go. Everyone is in a hurry, but they stop and sit to eat and drink. We were the oddballs eating and drinking (not alcohol but coffee, soda etc.) on the go.

    Food is fantastic. I liked Osaka better than Tokyo for food.
     
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    Oh yeah.. forgot about that. Food is (usually) fantastic. For the price that has to be some of the best quality you can get.

    Tokyo is huge so there are great places to eat of course, but if you want cheap but still good food in Tokyo.. go to Nakano (part of Tokyo). Just tons of good quality and cheap restaurants.
     
  27. Puka-head

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    They have a ceremony for drinking tea. The act of sharing a meal is a culturally important thing in many countries. Sadly in America not so much anymore.

    It was one of my proudest parent moments just a few weeks ago when my soon to be 17 yr old daughter told one of her BFF's that she couldn't meet her for "study time" until after dinner. When her friend said WTF? My baby said I eat dinner with my family every night, it's important to me. My Dad makes us a homecooked meal every night and I get to see my family together for at least long enough to eat once a day.

    I coulda died and went to heaven on the spot. Parenting is COOL!
     
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  28. dirtylandry

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    Are we still debating this?
    Guys, enough. RT is the most divisive player in the history of Miami. He is your starter this year. What could have happened in the past, whether right or wrong, will never come back. Gase is not allowing RT to look over his shoulder. As a matter of fact, he is probably hell bent on getting us a franchise level qb e him to add to his impressive offensive resume. Everyone needs to chill and let the season playout.


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  29. Finster

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    You're saying that the current Sea D, blows away the 2000 Ravens D?
     
  30. Finster

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    The Ravens had one good year on D?

    Lol, are you absolutely serious? have you been paying attention to the Ravens?

    How about between 1999 and 2006 the Ravens were top 10 in both yds and points allowed, 7 out of 8 times.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    yes. 2000 Ravens D was only the 2000 Ravens D. They were not the 1999 or 2001 Ravens D. What the current Seahawks D is doing, no defense in the history of the NFL has done, even when there were only 18 teams. It is ridiculous to be that good for that long. They lead the league in scoring for 4 years. No team has done it more than two. Two of those years they were number one in yards as well. The two other times they were 4th and 2nd. The disappointing 2016 season they were 3rd in points and 5th in yards. That is crazy. In 2001 the Ravens D wasn't even #1 in their division, in 2002 they were 22nd.

    The 2000 Ravens D compared to the current Seahawks D is a flash in the pan. A one hit wonder. At this point, you are comparing A-Ha to the Rolling Stones.
     
  32. Finster

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    lol, whatever dude.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Do you know what they weren't? #1 four years in a row. 2006 they got to #1 in both yards and points again, however, the Seahawks have already doubled them in four years. what took them in 7.
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Laugh all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
     
  35. Finster

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    You're going so far off point, this is about Trent Dilfer winning a SB, he only played on the 2000 Ravens.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No I am not. You are just being crazy.
     
  37. Finster

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    lol
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Again, showing you have no point and are just here to be a troll.
     
  39. Finster

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    Dude, are you kidding?

    A poster said "if Dilfer can win a SB than so can RT", and I said, the 2000 Ravens are a bad example because they could have won a SB with Dolphan Dupree at QB.

    So who's trolling now?
     

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