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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Section126, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    I'm not. Not really a millionaire get up. He looks scrawny, too.

    Need to see the receding hairline to be sure.
     
  2. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    It wouldn't shock me if he leaves Cleveland.

    But I'm not sure I buy that there's some great option out there that suddenly is better than Golden State. Like..yeah, it's gonna suck to lose to GS every year. So he's going to go to ____ and suddenly be better? GS has 2 MVPs, a DPOY, one of the best shooters in history who is also an elite defender, and a former number 1 option and elite defensive player as a 6th man.

    The rumors are that he's gonna go to LA. For what? To play with CP3? CP3, Blake, and Reddick are all FAs, and if they sign Blake I don't think they have any space to get LeBron. Is that team with no depth better? Even if George joins him with the Lakers they are still gonna be capped out and likely only have 2 stars.

    San Antonio is the only real option I see as a place that might have a chance of competing with Golden State. Unless he goes completely nuts and plays for Milwaukee or something.
     
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  3. BevoPhin

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    He's not just going to leave because he's sick of losing. He would have a plan in place. He ain't dumb. He started this big 3 ****.

    He planned joining Dwade and Chris Bosh, probably convinced mike miller to join as well.

    He knew Cleveland getting the #1 overall pick meant trading for an All star, giving them a big 3 in Cleveland.

    I think he would prefer to stay in Cleveland for sure. I think he should team up with CP3 and play the 4. Trading Kyrie and Love would have to net something good.
     
  4. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Why would he leave cleveland anyways, theyre guaranteed to make the finals every year should lebron and kyrie stay healthy.

    Golden state doesnt have that opportunity, just a few upgrades is all Pop needs to give them a 7 game series.
     
  5. sports24/7

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    The rumor is that Luke Kennard's stock is red hot right now. Chad Ford reported that scouts have told him he's going top 10, and that 12 is his floor. One scout even said they had him rated ahead of Malik Monk. He's a guy Miami had in for a workout, and could fit the scoring SF Section talked about (although I'm not sure he can guard 3's, and is probably a 2). Personally, I would welcome him going ahead of Miami's pick because it increases the possibility of someone I like better falling.
     
  6. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The rumor is that he wants to start setting up his Hollywood career.
     
  7. Section126

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  8. Stitches

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    Celtics did it (Garnett, Pierce, and Allen) before Lebron ever left for Miami. Plenty of teams before that had multiple all-stars playing together as well (Lakers, Celtics, Bulls).
     
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  9. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the inference is that he brought it to a whole new level by arranging for everyone to play together. I've been following the 4 major sports for over 30 years and I haven't ever heard two (or more) players say "Yeah we talked about playing together" until he Wade and Bosh did (and it later came out Melo was included that and was supposed to be the 3rd piece instead of Bosh). Since then I've seen a few other instances (Melo/CP3/Stoudemire, Bryce Harper and Kris Bryant etc) where players came out and said something but nothing else really came to fruition that I've seen yet.

    Having multiple all stars is one thing. The old Celtics team that won all those championships in the 50's/60's was unquestionably a super team with, what, 7 or 8 HOFERS? But it was all drafts and trades. That's just the GM doing a great job. Players premeditating with other players where they're going to sign is basically tampering. I don't know how you stop it other then the threat of severe suspensions or heavy fines but it shouldn't be allowed IMO.
     
  10. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well he already has quite the demo tape to send out of all his flops. That should be about a year long video.
     
  11. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's been talked about with the Knicks at 8 (Sure if Phil and Clareance Gaines believe he's another Klay Thompson and not a Kyle Korver) but he's also been linked with the Lakers (Obviously 2 is too high but who knows what trades teams are discussing.

    Also it's being said (finally) that the Celtics are considering Josh Jackson over Fultz. If they're smart they will do that but for selfish reasons and the fact I hate the Celtics I hope they take Fultz. It's funny how that came about though. Wednesday there was a rumor that the Lakers were looking at Jackson over Ball. Yesterday the Celtics state that Jackson is under consideration for pick 1. Late last night another rumor comes out that the Lakers are looking to move pick 2. If the Lakers move the pick and the Celtics take Jackson, I think that's a pretty clear indication the leak was real.
     
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  12. rafael

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    That's what I heard as well. Lebron's aspirations have always extended beyond basketball. IMO arguments about whether or not Cleveland gives him the best chance to win or not are misplaced and probably not the primary decision point. I suspect that he believes he could put together a super team anywhere and that he could do it quickly. If anything, attracting players to L.A. should prove easier than attracting them to Cleveland. I would guess that the decision point will be about what L.A. could provide to further his beyond basketball aspirations.
     
  13. Vertical Limit

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    Lol the media is annoying as **** sometimes. I watched a video where Broussard is saying the cavs need to get Paul George.

    As if there arent other teams in the league that matter. No, Paul George needs to either stay put or go to another team that isnt Cleveland or Golden state. Enough with loading up the same two teams with every player worth a damn.

    The NBA owners need to renegotiate the next deal and have a franchise tag.
     
  14. sports24/7

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    Yeah, it seemed like it was locked in that Fultz was going 1, and Ball was going 2 after the lottery results, but there are all kinds of rumors flying now with different scenarios. I'm not sure what I want to happen at the top. As a fellow Celtics hater, I just want whoever they take to end up sucking. As someone who's sick of Lavar Ball, I would love to see his son slide as far as possible and for teams to come out and say Lavar was part of the reason they passed. Him somehow getting to the Kings would be amazing.

    I'm curious who your preferences are for the Knicks. They have been heavily linked to Smith and Ntilikina. I know you have said you don't like Smith. I still think he has the upside to be an all-star. Same with Ntilikina, actually. I've also seen some talk of Monk if he gets there.
     
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  15. sports24/7

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    Everyone wants to talk about George to the Cavs like they wanted to talk about Wade to the Cavs last year, but the problem is, neither are/were very realistic. How are the Cavs going to get George? I really don't see the Pacers wanting to get Love, and that's really all Cleveland has that is worth anything, unless we're talking Kyrie (and that would be very stupid, so I don't think he's in the discussion). Sure, they can include some future picks, but any that they have left are worthless because everyone knows they'll be at the end of the 1st. Every other team being discussed has better assets to give up.
     
  16. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You know I thought about Ball and I really think the best place for him to go is Philly because OMG, if he sucks he is going to need his daddy to protect him. Sacramento...that's just too easy. :lol: :knucks:

    As for my Knicks assuming my three favorite players in this draft (Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum - the perfect Carmelo replacement if you find a deal for Carmelo, and De'Aaron Fox) are all gone, I want either Ntilikina or Donovan Mitchell (Prefer Ntilikina but Mitchell is, IMO, a very safe pick). I can live with Markannen or Monk if Phil and Gaines feel they are system fits but if it's Markannen you need to then tell me what we are doing with Willy Hernangomez or KP or Anthony because there's only so many minutes and Carmelo is probably best used at the 4 most nights. Willy Hernangomez though won rookie of the month a few times last year and I believe had the highest PER of any rookie on a per minute basis.

    Monk I need to know what they envision him as (PG or SG). Phil is a height-ist (not sure if that's a word) but you can tell he loves physical measureables by his signings and draft picks. Monk is probably a little undersized at the 2 and probably too ball dominant for Phil as a PG. Another issue I could see with the Knicks taking Monk is that team has a very real issue with PG defense, only Baker really showed a willingness to fight and scrap in D, so by taking Monk, who isn't a very good defender at this stage you're basically saying that's Ok. The upside to Monk is significant...he's basically a better Devin Booker IMO.

    Luke Kennard wouldn't upset me as shooters are always in demand but like I said, he better be more Klay Thompson then Kyle Korver because the pressure to produce here for a top 10 pick is always significant.

    At 8, I don't want Ball (assuming he falls that far...too many questions about work ethic and too worried about his brand for my liking), Dennis Smith Jr, or Jonathan Isaac (lack of position worries me as he's not a good enough shooter right now to be a 3 which to me makes him a project).

    I'd love for the rumors of Courtney Lee being shipped out to be real (Pick 12 was rumored as Detroit doesn't want to pay KCP oodles of money) and then you take on one of the Blazers horrible contracts (There's a few to pick from: Crabbe at 19, Turner at 18, Leonard at 16, Harkless at 10, Aminu at 8) maybe for pick 20 or 26 or something. There's a few players in the teens I like more then some of the players projected to go high. I'm a big fan of Bell from Oregon. Justin Jackson seems very much like a Phil type of player. Caleb Swanigan rand Jonathan Mothley have some very nice qualities to their games IMO. Motley in particular reminds me of a more athletic Charles Oakley and that's a good thing.

    Going in to the 2nd round, I see Jost Hart as a steal and I hope he's on the radar at 44. I have a 1st round/top 25 grade on him. He's not off the charts athletic but the advanced metrics love him, Kenpom.com in particular. At 58 I'd love Sindarious Thornwell or PJ Dozier (go gamecocks!) and I think Phil would love their willingness to get after it on defense. Plus the Knicks like big guards and both fit the bill. Frank Mason, Tyler Dorsey also interest me as PG's. Dillon Brooks could be an interesting pick too as a SF.
     
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  17. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And so it begins:

     
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  18. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Ramona Shelbourne hinting that Mrs. Hayward may not want her husband on South Beach...
     
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  19. schmolioot

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    Oh come on
     
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  20. sports24/7

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    Danny Ainge is either lucky, or he's good at trading for draft picks. Probably a little bit of both. They could legitimately move down to 3, and get the guy they want, along with a future pick. The Sixers might not be a lotto team for long, though, so the pick might not be great. Fultz incidentally is probably exactly what the Sixers need. He's a scorer and could let Simmons be more of the distributor.

    What would be funny is if Philly takes Fultz, and LA takes Jackson. I'm not sure Ball is necessarily a fit in Boston, and his dad is not going to love his son playing a bit role in Boston. Boston would have to either force what could be an awkward situation and a potentially big distraction on what they hope will be a championship contender, or move on to the next tier, which would probably be Tatum, because I'm not sure they'd take Fox either, because PG isn't a need for them.
     
  21. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Boston trades down and gets Jackson it may lessen their need for Hayward, which helps us
     
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  22. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well I think you're on to something there because IF LA takes Jackson there then I think Tatum is the play for them. Makes sense because of the Melo to Boston rumors and Tatum being a very good I so scorer fits Bostons need for good wings. What could also be fun under this scenario is the top 5 probably ends up being Fultz-Jackson-Tatum-Isaac (Phoenix needs wings not PGs...plus a frontline of Bender-Chriss-Isaac could be fun to watch)....which probably lands Ball in....Sacremento! Perfect.

    Personally, I think what's happening is everyone is calling the Lakers bluff that they don't like Ball. The Lakers have been linked to Jackson, Fox and Fultz in the last 3 or 4 days that I've seen.
     
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  23. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It gets better...in case anyone doesn't know, Zagoria is a freelance writer but writes for the NY Times, SI etc on occasion:

     
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  24. Limbo

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    Jackson is such a bad pick for the Celts. I hope they take him.
     
  25. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Josh Jackson?? A bad pick? Sorry, I can't be convinced he's anything other then the best player in this draft at any position. For a team that got run off the court vs Cleveland because their wings weren't good enough, he can do nothing but help. Not saying he makes them better then Cleveland but long term it's a step in the right direction.
     
  26. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    That would be a great move for Boston. Give Chicago the 3 instead of 1 and get something from Philly as well.

    Any idea what Boston wants from philly?
     
  27. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    She's gonna go wherever the hell he goes.
     
  28. PhinsPhan11

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    Sounds like the #3 this year, 2018 Lakers pick, and another first rounded.
     
  29. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Damn, Ainge doesn't believe in using the KY? Good lord....
     
  30. PhinsPhan11

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    As a Sixer fan, I don't mind it. They've had a lot of assets for years, and it looks like they're finally using some of them for Fultz. Assuming they draft him, a trio of Fultz, Simmons, and Embiid could be fun to watch.
     
  31. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    If Boston keeps the #3 pick and passes on fultz because they have IT, now that is dumb.
     
  32. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    If Ainge still wants Winslow so bad, we'll take that #1..
     
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  33. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That depends on Simmons staying healthy and fixing that busted *** jumper.
     
  34. sports24/7

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    Interesting. I was wondering if this might be a signal that they are looking to deal for a vet. Why not? The 3rd pick is still enough to do most of the heavy lifting in getting a Butler or George, and the Celtics add more capital. I don't think they'd have to include that Lakers pick in a deal for either guy, either.
    I like it for the Sixers, and Simmons doesn't have to become a good jump shooter for this team to get good quickly, IMO. If he becomes a poor-man's early career LeBron type, and can score off the drive, distribute, and give you defense and rebounding from the 3, that's all you need right now with Embiid and Fultz assuming those guys turn into what people think they will. An eventual jump shot would just be icing on the cake. I also like it because they're finally going for it. It's been "trust the process" for so long, and now they're saying it's time to put it all together and go big. I think this would be a great trade for all parties. Except Lavar Ball, hopefully.
     
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  35. Serpico Jones

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    Maybe the Celtics know Hayward isn't going to sign with them?
     
  36. sports24/7

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    This looks like this is happening...





     
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  37. Vertical Limit

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    Doesnt make sense lol gordon hayward isnt taking her to every road trip, if she thinks playing in south beach changes anything then she would be naive. Z


    But ramona is known for talking out of her rear..
     
  38. sports24/7

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    We should definitely be hoping Boston trades for Butler, righ? That would almost certainly eliminate them from Hayward unless they clear more cap room somehow. And that would leave him with the options of Miami or Utah.
     
  39. BevoPhin

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    Idk man. Why would they agree to trade now when they don't even know who the Lakers are going to take at #2? If they were going to keep the pick that seems pretty dumb. I know the Lakers are probably going to take Ball but that's still risky.
     
  40. sports24/7

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    Are you talking the Bulls or the Celtics? The Celtics would agree because they want to maximize their value and still come out with an established star. I thought trading the #1 pick for either Butler or PG was the right move for them anyway. Now they could be getting one of those guys plus additional draft capital.

    As for the Bulls, if they're looking to rebuild like many think they are, then getting the #3 pick plus additional assets is a pretty good return. At #3 either Ball, Fultz, or Jackson will be there guaranteed. Any of those three would probably be the #1 pick many years. Then, there's a lot of love for Fox and even Tatum as well, who would be potential #1's some years as well. Hell, this draft is so good, you could probably go and move that #3 to the Kings who are trying to get up for Fox and get #5 and #10 and end up with two potential all-stars like a Tatum/Isaac/Monk at 5, and a Markkanen or Collins at 10.
     

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