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Why not create a DL and LB Czar position for JT and Zach?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rickysabeast, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Maybe we've touched on this and I missed. I know I'm the new guy lol. But we still have Zach and JT in our own backyard. They've visited the team like a thousand times. Even read that JT is going to mentor Harris (as I referenced in another post I hope he spends copious amounts of time on just teaching him how to harass Captain Hair Plug Cry Baby Brady).

    I read something that Zach promised his wife he'd not get into coaching. But she has to by now be ready to kick him out of the house to find something to do. Our LB corp last year in short needed some improvement. Gase likes to have the retired players involved. Why not bring Zach in to be a LB Czar and help our LB corp? Why not do the same with JT? I'm sure they would love to be involved and help the team that they love so much. Dan's working with T-Hill and that seems to have been helping him along.

    Just a thought. Great teams find new ways to help their players make the most of their abilities. I'd love it. They'd love it. Our team would be better. What's the problem? You have 13 pro bowl selections between the two of them for god's sake.
     
  2. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I was on XM Radio Channel 88 last year when JT was with Big Papa on Wednesday's. I actually asked him to coach the defensive line. He said then, he loved working a couple days a week for a few hours a day.
     
  3. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Nice! Yeah I don;t want to ask him to be the Coach. But for 6 months a year spend 20 or so hours a week. It would make them so much better. The LB Coach just uses him as special talent to show them how to watch tape, what to focus on etc. If I were the LB coach I'd love it because if he does it right, his LB corps will be better and he;ll learn something. I don't know who our LB Coach is I'm sure he's a nice guy but he ain't freaking Zach Thomas who Peyton Manning still cites as the toughest, most prepared and cerebral opponent he ever had. Same thing for JT who the supposed GOAT QB was literally mind raped by JT twice a year for over a decade.

    Just saying if the thought is to uncover every stone to make us the best team we can be, we need to do stuff like this.
     
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  4. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    As much as we love Gase, I am not sure how much he wants to be "Old school." I'm sure he would accommodate Shula and Marino and knows the importance of the 72 team, but he is trying to instill his own culture.

    I love your idea though.
     
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  5. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I mean he's old school enough to have had Peyton to camp a couple times. I mean these are arguably the two best defensive players in team history who live around the corner doing nothing.
     
  6. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    yeah but he had some say in Peyton's success in Denver, so it is tangible for him
     
  7. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I thought the same thing about Sam Madison. I think Sam would do it.
     
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  8. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    he seems to like radio and media?
     
  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    That is what he was offered, and rightly he accepted. But, i wonder if he has been offered a coaching spot. I've seen him do some "charity" coaching stuff. I just think he would be good at it.
     
  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    any word if that daily dolphins show that used to be on will be back?
     
  11. brandon27

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    I'm actually surprised neither of them got into coaching. Especially Zach. Given his biggest strength was his instincts, largely based on film study and preparation, I figured he would have been a good candidate to get in the coaching ranks and help guys prepare properly, and help teach them technique based on what they see/read on field and through film study, and seemed to be a natural leader.

    JT I always thought would be more destined for media. He had a brief stint on ESPN IIRC, and on Sirius satellite radio last year, and I thik he was working some form of media for college football too if I'm not mistaken. He came across to me as a good fit for a media type role based on what I saw/heard of him. I'd think he'd have made a good coach too, another heady player, that had to play his position a bit differently than others because he wasn't of the typical player mold for his position. He learned to dominate through study, and great technique, etc, etc and he was a leader as well.

    Maybe they just don't want to take on the full time responsibilities. If I'm not mistaken, both have young families too right? Maybe they just want to wait a bit until their kids are a bit older. Maybe JT figures he'd just dabble part time in media and help out some younger players here and there until he can take on more responsibility? It is nice to see Gase welcoming these guys in from time to time to help out though, even if he did bring in a guy like Welker for a bit last year. Always good to have guys who excelled at their position come in and provide some tips to players that maybe their position coaches can't.
     
  12. Fin D

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    Zach is my favorite player of all time, full stop.

    That, however, doesn't mean he'd be a good coach or be good at gauging ability. That goes for any and all great players. Just because a player was good or great doesn't mean they'd be good at other football jobs.
     
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  13. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Great response. Keep in mind I was suggesting a 20 - 30 hour max position between TC and end of year. Not a coaching position. It would give them experience from a somewhat coaching standpoint to grow on. Wouldn't it be great to have one of them at some time as our DC and eventual Head Coach should Gase ever retire or go into leadership with the team in some manner?
     
  14. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I never thought we'd agree on something. I have an autographed ZT Jersey in a frame right next to my autographed Marino helmet. My two favorites ever right there.
     
  15. rafael

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    I thought I heard once that ZT was suffering from a bit of dementia related to head injuries? I thought it was early stages. It wouldn't be surprising given his style of play.
     
  16. Finster

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    The thing is that great players don't usually equate to good coaches because they usually have something special that sets them apart, something that can't be taught.

    It's usually the guys that had nothing special that make the better coaches because they can relate to the less than special players because they know how hard it is to just get a spot on a team.

    The vast majority of special players have no idea what that's like, Zach was made the starter 2 weeks into training camp, and we released Jack Del Rio whom JJ just signed to be the veteran leader of the young team he was going to build.

    Zach however, was so good the JJ canned that idea and the rest is history.

    JT, Cam etc can't teach players to be physical freaks of nature, lol, they were born like that, Zach I think has some form of OCD or something because he studied like it was an obsession, the guy is a legendary film watcher, how is that even a thing, lol, but you can't teach obsession, that is in his mental make up, he was born like that.

    These type players often times have unrealistic expectations from the players they are trying to coach, because they can't relate, they don't know what it's like to NOT be special.

    Zach's wife knows she loses a husband if he starts coaching, they may stay married, but Zach will never be there, even if he is there, she knows all to well his obsessive behavior.

    With a guy like JT, his techniques work for him because he's a freak, so they won't work as well if you aren't the same kind of freak, and since JT doesn't know what it's like not to be a freak, how can he relate.

    Then of course there's this, if they aren't passionate about being a coach, then there is no point to bringing them in.
     
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  17. dirtylandry

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    we forget coaching is a grind. It is not meant for players that were elite, even though it makes sense. I'm sure those guys have a hard time waking up and putting on their pants
     
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  18. djphinfan

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    sounds good on paper...I wish we could get chad Pennington as a coach.
     
  19. Dolphin North

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    He certainly loves to talk about the game though. Technique and stuff I mean.
     
  20. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    oh yes. I have heard him be very specific and have been impressed
     
  21. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I can translate from redneck. Spent 5 years in North Georgia. Could be Pennington's translator.
     
  22. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Uh YEAH! That's why I'm promoting the Czar role for like 20-30 hours a week. I feel like I've said this.
     
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  23. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Nah, now I want Peyton Manning.
     
  24. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Slightly left of center
    See also Mike Singletary, Matt Millen, Jim Zorn, I'm sure I've missed a few. But there are also a few former players who have achieved success
    Tony Dungy, Jack Del Rio, Some guy named Shula (although he wasn't any good) Mike Ditka.

    I'm thinking both of these guys just don't want to, it's not an easy job. But if the team was smart they would stroke them, offer consultant positions, bring them in to mentor the young uns
     
  25. Fin D

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    FTR, I wasn;t saying they could never be good coaches if they were good players, I'm just saying the assumption is always if they were good players they'd be good coaches, and that is not true.
     
  26. Puka-head

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    Well Duh!
     
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  27. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    God no.

    He helped ruin Chad Henne.
     
  28. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    The robot? So glad he's gone. T-Hill is a little reserved but Henne was tough to root for.
     
  29. Bpk

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    Nah. But keep bringing us suggestions. We encourage them here.
     
  30. GARDENHEAD

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    Zach and JT were average players who benefited from the genius coaching of Dave Wannestedt.
     
  31. djphinfan

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    you think he taught him the art of the check down too much?
     
  32. Fin-O

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    I think Pennington has always had a play it safe mentality. That worked very well for him, however I do not believe that approach works for everyone.
     
  33. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I was going to make this exact point when this thread was started. Just because you're good at what you do, doesn't mean you're good at teaching others, especially if one of the things make make you such a great player is an intangible that can't be coached.
     
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  34. Fin D

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    It's not an art, it's a survival strategy. Penny had to depend on the check down because his arm was jelly.

    People forget, the reason we went to the Wildcat, was because it was the ONLY way we could get chunk yardage because Penny couldn't throw.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    I'm def aware of Penningtons arm strength flaws, was at the raven game when they just bracketed the hashes..but I'm not sure I would attribute the wildcat to just that..there were advantages, Ronnie had a unique skillset...he was fat and lazy and never reached his potential but he could of been really good.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    He was also the main reason why we accomplished what we did that year in, not the wildcat..
     
  37. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Not sure I completely agree with you here Tony. Yes, Pennington didn't have the big arm to make the long downfield throws, but if you really look at QB stats, what exactly is the accuracy rate of QB's making throws 20+ yards downfield? Sure, you have the stud gunslingers who were more successful than others but overall? Not really that high of a success rate.

    As for the Wildcat, I truly believe the Wildcat was more of a gimmick, (since Sparano and OC Dan Henning couldn't come up with an offense that could compete against the rest of the AFC East, and the NFL in general) than it being a crutch to compensate for Pennington's lack of arm strength. We had two stud running backs in Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown and instead of developing an offense that showcased their talents, we created a gimmick which is stunning at first, but soon shut down.

    I wonder...imagine if we had Adam Gase then (yea, I know he was a kid....I'm talking the fantasy what ifs)...with the the accuracy of Pennington and the stud stable of Williams and Brown? Geesh, forget about it!!!
     
  38. Fin D

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    I'm not taking about accuracy.

    Our offense was crap without the wildcat. We had no way to gain chunk yardage unless Ronnie broke one. The wildcat was the only solution they could use.
     
  39. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Oh I agree...our offense SUCKED....but not because of Penny's jelly arm (using your term), but because Sparano and Henning SUCKED!

    Surely we can agree 100% on that! :up:
     
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  40. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Oh yeah, they sucked but we also didn't any real offensive firepower outside of Ronnie. We had no quick strike or chunk yardage ability and a lot of that was because Penny couldn't throw.
     

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