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What's the Julius Thomas Expectation Year One Back With Gase?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rickysabeast, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    So we all know that Thomas had big baller years with Gase as OC in Denver. Then he went to Jax and wasn't used right and had a couple injuries. Now he's healthy and back with his old coach who knows how to use him. He didn't do really anything noteworthy during OTA's and MiniCamp.

    His stats so far are:

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    He's never had TONS of yards but Gase used him very well as a target in the red zone. He also doesn't have Peyton throwing to him.

    So, I'm going to go with 500 yds 8 tds.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I'll be honest. I am uncertain with this signing. I believe you have to have a QB that likes using TE's, some do some don't. Based on those numbers he was pretty much a red zone target, which would be nice if he is here as well.
     
  3. Rickysabeast

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    Hard to say when we haven't had a TE worth a broken snare drum in years. Orange Julius is a big target that makes himself available in the red zone. Hard to not like that.
     
  4. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    12 TDs 700 yards


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  5. Rickysabeast

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    Wow. That would be awesome. Seems a bit of a reach though based on him being a big OTA Minicamp Dud so far but it is after all OTAs and Minicamp. But in shorts I would have thought he'd have gone nuts.
     
  6. dirtylandry

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    Look back to his year with Denver 65/788/12
    so 40 yards a game is low, but I was conservative. I didn't say recepts, so will leave that out.
    why 12TD's? Because I believe the offense will have more redzone opportunities. I also believe they go back to the Denver offense and how they used JT. I also believe they will be more creative here. Fasano may take some TD's away from him the closer they are to the goal line.
     
  7. Rickysabeast

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    Yeah. But that was Peyton Manning at his best.....I mean I want it just saying....
     
  8. dirtylandry

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  9. Rickysabeast

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  10. dirtylandry

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    you gotta come to camp with me
     
  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    While I understand what you're saying, I'm looking at something that many of the laymen, arm chair quarterbacks don't look at and that is Adam Gase. This coach has earned this team's respect and they truly believe in WHAT the man is doing, to include Tannehill. Tannehill believes in Gase and what's even more important, Gase believes in Tannehill...something this kid didn't have under Philbin.

    Many people have referred to Gase as the "Quarterback Whisperer" due to the improvement he brought to Jay Cutler's game and what he did with Manning and the Broncos (although Manning was already great). In fact, I can recall many posters on this very website who were calling for us to get Cutler. Well if you believed in Cutler, then you have to believe in Adam Gase because Cutler was nothing without Gase.

    Now with all of this being said, Julius Thomas performed well in Denver due to Gase's overall offensive scheme. I'd have to go back and actually do some digging but as I recall (and I could be wrong), Manning didn't use/have much of a TE target while in Indianapolis, but he did and used said target in Denver.

    Regardless if Tannehill is used to using a TE or even "likes" a TE as a receiving target in my opinion is irrelevant. If Gase incorporates Thomas (or the TE in general), then Tannehill is going to believe in it and Thomas will have a great season in Miami.
     
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  12. dirtylandry

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    Manning did use a TE quite a bit, it was just quiet until Dallas Clark came on. Early on he had Marcus Pollard and Ken Dilger. Friom 99-04, each season averaged around 35-40 catches and 500-600 yards. In 2001, Pollard had 8TDs. After 2004, he had Dallas Clark, and in 2007, he had 11 TDs and was 58/616. In 2008-2009, Clark was a stud. In 09 he had 100 catches for 1106 yards and 10 TDs
     
  13. The_Dark_Knight

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    I did forget about Clark. Good catch! :up:
     
  14. dirtylandry

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    sorry I didn't provide a link lol
     
  15. dolphin25

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    Dallas Clark
     
  16. Rickysabeast

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    Get with the freaking program Jack! Wait, someone once said that...um....hmmm...searching for link now.
     
  17. Rickysabeast

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    Figured it out. Phew! It was me.
     
  18. KeyFin

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    I look at this signing a little differently because I don't think we need a stud TE to complete this offense. Honestly, I'm more excited about Fasano because of his great blocking for our RB's. If anything, I think it's just another weapon in the arsenal, similar to Grant, that defenses will have to account for. I'm not saying that he won't be an asset or have a solid season- I just don't see him becoming a focus over Landry, Parker, Stills, Ajayi, etc.

    I'm sure that there will be great moments though-I'd guess around 45 catches and 6-8 TD's.
     
  19. dirtylandry

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    for years we haven't had a stud TE, and since the Keller injury, we really haven't had an elite TE. Keller would have been close and who knows how much better RT would have been with him. You can't have enough offense. I think you need stud TE because the winner of two of the past three SB's have had stud TE's
     
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  20. Rickysabeast

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    Wow Keller. He was such a stud I had TOTALLY forgotten about him. Like totally. I was about ready to call you out on a massive 6 letter typo until I remembered him. He was on OUR team? Am I losing my marbles? I see he was not he team in '13. I need to drink less.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Charles Clay had a couple good years under Tannehill.

    I remember reading somewhere that Thomas was generally taken off of the field in the redzone by the Jaguars and that the Dolphins were going to use him more there.

    I think if Thomas remains uninjured he should get at least 8 touchdowns as he is a type of player Miami has missed in the last couple of years. A good redzone threat.
     
  22. dirtylandry

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    yeah stupid preseason injury in Hou on a cheap shot
     
  23. dirtylandry

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    Jax isn't the smartest organization
     
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  24. Rickysabeast

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    Totally not. Fournette is getting knocked down in fantasy simply because he's part of such a ham sandwich in an ashtray type of team.
     
  25. dirtylandry

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    But Brandon Albert will be blocking for them.
    They're at the cross roads with Bortles. They are definitely loaded on defense though
     
  26. tirty8

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    This is an interesting question. I have long thought that Gase wants to get the TE more involved in the passing game. I personally think that had OJ Howard fallen a little more, he would've been our first round pick.

    JT's problem with blocking could really impact his numbers - depending on whether or not he can fix this issue. We signed Anthony Fasano early on in the free agency process, and I do not think this was a coincidence. Fasano is a great blocker who can catch. I don't expect that he will be the receiver he was during his first stint in Miami, but he will be a viable target nevertheless.

    I personally think that RT will throw fewer TDs than people on this board expect - and it's not because I am a RT hater at all. In fact, I probably think more highly of RT than the average poster on this board. Nevertheless, if you said to me, "Imagine the Phins have the ball inside the red zone. What do you think the best course of action is in order to score a TD?" Without hesitation, I would tell you to pound the rock with Ajayi and Williams (he has a nose for the end zone). Ajayi's ability to break tackles becomes an even bigger asset when the field shortens, whereas the likelihood of an interception rises because DBs have to now cover less space. This multifaceted strategy most likely has the greatest chance for a touchdown while simultaneously offers the lowest chance for a turnover.

    Ultimately, if we elect to take a run first approach in the red zone, we have to wonder who our TE should be in this situation. Personally, I could see us leaning more towards Fasano on first and second down. Now, if we get stuffed on 1st down and are in a 2nd and 8 situation, I could see Thomas back on the field. Additionally, I could see him on the field on 3rd downs, but I think that he will get far fewer attempts to score TDs than one may expect.

    My guess - 600 yards 5 TDs
     
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  27. dirtylandry

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    I would trade in more TDs and less yards. as long as we are scoring TD's in the redzone
     
  28. djphinfan

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    not anymore..coughlin is the man.
     
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  29. Rickysabeast

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    Yeah but will he be good in a non HC capacity? I actually heard that Jax wasn't even supposed to have a team. It was supposed to go to Orlando but they figured out that it wouldn't work where they wanted it to go. Still don;t know how Jax got a team but neither does anyone else. Another mystery is why they didn't sign Tebow when he left DEN if only to fill up the seats in Tebow's home town (which it would have done).
     
  30. djphinfan

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    leadership starts at the top, I trust the guys judgement and the way he communicates his message is loud and clear, and inspiring..he's just a damn good football man..
     
  31. The_Dark_Knight

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    This...I DEFINITELY agree with THIS!!!!
     
  32. dirtylandry

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    You dont think they will crowd the box and force us to throw?


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  33. The_Dark_Knight

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    Possibly but after seeing how we dedicated ourselves to the run last season, we established a new smash mouth attitude...you're going to have to stop US...

    And even if they do crowd the box, with the addition of Thomas as well as Ajayi's increased reps in catching passes out of the backfield, I truly believe we have more weapons in our arsenal for the red zone.
     
  34. tirty8

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    Honestly, when riding the J-Train, I would try and run it even if they stack the box. He is the type of running back that can get us the hard yards a la Marshawn Lynch; however, I do think that this would open up opportunities for the play action.

    I have wondered for some time why Gase rarely tried to have RT throw Parker a fade in the end zone. Parker has shown the ability to get high, and I would think that would be a pretty safe option with a reasonably high degree of success in the red zone.
     
  35. Fin D

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    I'm guessing there's been some health and maturity issues with Parker the last two years.
     
  36. tirty8

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    I've gotten that vibe too, but I still don't see how that relates to throwing the ball to a tall guy that can jump high. It is not a hard route. Run to a spot on the field, jump, try to catch the ball.

    The only reasons that I could see not to utilize this is:

    A - Player is not tall.
    B - Player cannot jump high.
    C - Player struggles to catch.
    D - Player cannot run to specific part of the field.

    For this singular route, I cannot see how maturity matters. I would also suspect that if he's healthy enough to be on the field, he is healthy enough to run this particular route.
     
  37. jdang307

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    The problem is, the redzone is 20 yards not 5 yards. Also, I would love is to score a lot from outside the zone. Our team was once asked how to improve our RZ numbers. Coach said to score before you get to the red zone. We have Parker Stills and even Julius. We can do it.
     
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  38. Fin D

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    Except this coaching staff seems pretty big on players "getting with the program". Just like Ajayi not traveling with the team they may not have trusted Parker in those situations. Or with our online injuries they needed better blocking and adjusted personnel that way. There could be a handful of reasons for it.

    Here's the thing, unlike previous staffs, I don't think this staff is just too stupid to not have plays for Parker in the red zone and it not be for other reasons we, as outsiders, aren't privy too.
     
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  39. dolphin25

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    If we actually used play action. I've been stunned over the years how few times we have used that in the red zone. Normally in the shotgun which negates play action. It would be perfect for us, but we shall see if they think to use it.
     
  40. dolphin25

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    E. QB cannot make the throw.
     
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