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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Section126, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Well Lebron is a FA next year so we wouldn't have to trade anything for him, just whatever melo costs. I want Lebron and if we need melo and wade to get him, then sure. But I wouldn't want to gut the team to overpay melo, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to lose whiteside. We would already be minus Dragic in your suggestion without a real PG.

    I would definitely be down with moving contracts for Westbrook. Dragic and Dion would almost be enough for just Westbrook, no?
     
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  2. BevoPhin

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    I don't see any team other than OKC that would be at an advantage of signing Westbrook. I know the rumors have been linking him to LA for years, but the Lakers seem invested in Lonzo and the clippers don't seem all that desirable lately.
     
  3. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Multiple news sources saying there is about to be a bidding war from billionaire Rockets fans to buy the franchise from Les.

    Dikembe Mutumbo + Partners
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    Yao Ming + Partners
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    Long time Rockets fan Tilman Fertitta

    An $85 mil investment turning into $2+ billion. Damn.
     
  4. sports24/7

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    Right, you wouldn't have to trade for him, but you'd need to trade players to open up the space for him, and the same with Melo as he can also opt out. I don't think you'd have to overpay for him, either. He'll be 34. So while it's not a real trade, you are still essentially trading Dragic and TJ (and probably one more part) for those two. You could then find a PG in FA, or get a serviceable one back in trading the previously mentioned assets. Also, with LeBron, you don't really need a true PG.

    As far as Westbrook goes, sure trading Dragic and Dion would free up enough money, but you'd need a commitment from Westbrook first, and that would be a tricky situation. And with Dragic and Dion gone, Miami becomes a lot less desirable, no?

    As for Miami being the most likely spot after OKC, I'm not sure I see it. There will be other attractive options, and I still think LA is the favorite even with Ball there. Westbrook could easily play the 2. He's from LA, and if they can move Deng, they can add Westbrook AND another max player like George.

    Either way, I think the Heat are going to look like they look currently (or close to it) for the next three seasons. It's nice to think about adding these stars, but I don't think it's realistically going to happen in the near future.
     
  5. sports24/7

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    UD officially coming back.
     
  6. Galant

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    From POUNDINGTHEROCK.COM - If you read Spanish do so, the original is even more eloquent than the English below.

    As a Spurs fan for years, I wasn't particularly a fan of Manu Ginobili in any way, but these last few years, listening to his interviews, watching his passion on the court, seeing the magic in his vision, I've surprised myself how I have come to understand why he is so loved in San Antonio, in some ways, maybe even more than Timmy Duncan, maybe.

    A lot of people won't get it, and I understand that, but even if he's old, even if there aren't a hundred arguments to defend his taking up a roster spot for the Spurs (even though there are some truly significant reasons that he remains massively important to the Spurs, especially this year), I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing Manu take the court for one more season. It's sounding more and more like this will be his farewell year, and for many Manu has gone under the radar - as is his nature - willing for years to come off the bench, but if this is his last year, I'm going to be one who will have taken the time to watch him throughout.

    One more year for Nanu. The master of magic!


    "What follows is a translation of Manu Ginobili’s column, which ran on Thursday, July 20 in Argentine newspaper La Nacion."

    "Ibiza, Spain.- It took me longer to make up my mind this time, because I had more doubts. I wanted to let my thoughts simmer, to see how I felt and what questions arose. When I felt that enough time had passed, I realized I was ready to communicate the decision I’d made about my future.

    I had discussed things with Pop at length before going on vacation. He told me he wanted me to return and that he needed me on the team. Having that information, I gave myself some room to really think about what I wanted to do. I didn’t feel like he was trying to convince me. He was just telling me how he felt. I know that if he had felt the opposite, he would have told me that too. Had he said that he didn’t want me back, it would have been an easier decision, in a way. I don’t think I’m above having someone tell me they don’t want me around anymore. I would have said, “That’s it, I’m done,” because I wasn’t even going to explore the possibility of signing elsewhere.

    I took him up on his offer because it’s an honor to be part of a franchise like this one, to still feel important at age 40, and to be surrounded by people who care about me. Everything I was planning for in case I retired I can just postpone for a while. But if I had retired and taken a year off, I couldn’t have returned to the game at 41. I feel like I made the right decision, which so happens to be the one everyone thought I should make. No one close to me told me, “This is it, just hang them up and find pleasure in other things.”

    The truth is I still enjoy and have fun playing. I have fewer responsibilities than before and I know I’m taken care of. It’s just an ideal situation for me, at this age. My family wasn’t an impediment, either. Once again, Many told me to just do what made me feel good. We are obviously curious about the possibility of having a lot more time for ourselves, but since we are comfortable in San Antonio and the kids are in school there, it wasn’t a problem for me to continue playing.

    I’m aware that this season will be special, but I also know it will be the same when I’m on the court. I always try to help my team win. I’m also aware that I’m not the basketball-obsessed freak I was in the past. Pop says I’m just as competitive as ever, but I don’t feel like that’s the case. It’s not just because of a change in ability, speed or anything physical, but also in my priorities.

    Obviously when the ball is in the air and I make a couple of mistakes, or when someone challenges me, it’s not like I don’t care about winning or losing. Everything I do, I try to do well. But if I hadn’t changed my mindset and my expectations, I would have retired after the 2013 or 2014 Finals against Miami.

    I’ve been thinking about how the team has reloaded. Rudy Gay signed. Some might initially be surprised and think he doesn’t fit with San Antonio’s style, but he’s a huge talent with the versatility to play both forward positions. He should allow Kawhi to rest but he can also play next to him. He’s a great scorer with great athleticism and a lot of skill. Just like it happens with everyone who joins the Spurs, it’s going to take some time for him to adjust to the system and find his bearings. The same applies to Joffrey Lauvergne, who’s really skilled but will have to adjust to our style and understand that he will be behind LaMarcus Aldridge and maybe Pau Gasol in the depth chart. Brandon Paul also joined the team. Pop has told me he’s someone who’s grown a lot and he’s happy he could sign him. We’ll just have to see how all the pieces fit.

    Oh, it’s also huge, both for the Spurs and for me, to have Patty (Mills) back. Not just because of his skill as a player, but also because of how great a person he is. He’s really talented but he’s also my link to the new generation. My connection with him is important to me. I’m not saying we were a package deal, but it means something to me that he’s here. I even think it nudged me into coming back a bit.

    Now that I’ve digested it all, I think I made a decision that allows me to keep playing at the highest level, which is what I always wanted. And at an age at which I never thought I’d still be playing. Considering my style and the risks I take on the court, as well as the miles my legs have accumulated with the Spurs and the national team, if someone had told me 10 years ago that I’d still be playing at 40, I would have said they were insane. I know how privileged I am for having done it on an elite franchise to boot.

    I’m slowly starting to shift mindsets. I know I’ll have to start over. I’ll have to get my body right to remain valuable to the team and help my teammates. For now, I’ll continue to enjoy my vacation and once I get to San Antonio, I’ll go full throttle. After a long break, it’s just not as easy to get in shape as a 40-year-old as it is for 21-year-old Dejounte Murray. I know I’m going to have to work really hard and take care of myself better than I ever have. When the time comes, I’ll focus all my energy on getting in tip-top shape."
     
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  7. Vertical Limit

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    Haslem is back
     
  8. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Troy Williams - 3 yr contact. This was a must. Between what he showed last year and in summer league, he's proven he's ready. This is Ariza's eventual replacement.
    Bobby Brown - 1 yr contract. One of Harden's best friends. Also was instrumental in recruiting CP3. Great teammate. He has earned another year.
     
  9. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    What's the plan next year when CP3 leaves to join Lebron?
     
  10. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I read his posts with Donald Trump's annoying voice. Everything is always great in Houston, they just never win championships.
     
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  11. BevoPhin

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    That trade, was the worst trade, in the history of trade deals. They gave up very important players, very important, for a one year rental of a bully. He's a bully! They could have had him for free!

    And they report he's gonna stay. Let me tell you, that is very fake news.
     
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  12. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    As Les Alexander told the media a few weeks ago, "Our stars don't leave Houston unless we want them to." Then they mentioned Dwight, and he laughed. If you notice, all our great players still live here: Dream, Clyde, Calvin Murphy, Mutumbo, TMac, Yao (Houston&China). All you have to do is look at CP3's instagram to see that he isn't leaving (he's having too much fun with Harden and Ariza)...unless he stinks it up next season. If this doesn't work out, the contracts of CP3, Ariza, Moute, Black, Brown, and Capela are up. That's about 35 mil in cap space. Re-sign Capela and get another star to pair with James. Try again.
     
  13. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    We're HUGE and this is going to be BIGLY.
     
  14. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    What did the Rockets give up?
    CP3 >>>>>>> Beverley
    Lou Will = 28th draft pick flipped to Lakers (who cares; had #2 offense before we got him)
    Moute & Troy Williams >>> Dekker
    PJ Tucker & Tarik Black >> Montrezl and other scrubs
    Again, what did we give up? The trade even saved the Rockets $8 mil in cap space. That's how we are still signing people, lol.

    The trade freed up space to improve our roster defensively. We've lost nothing offensively.

    Morey has turned Kevin Martin's 1 year contract and scrubs into Harden.
    An undrafted Pat Beverly and scrubs into CP3.
    And may possibly turn Ryan Anderson (an injury prone player from NO) into Melo.
    These are just the facts. If you want to talk championships, everyone can't have LeBron. You should be thankful he was tight enough with Wade.
     
  15. sports24/7

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    I don't think you got the joke.

    Also, the Heat won a championship before LeBron.
     
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  16. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I guess I did. Which part was the funny part?
     
  17. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Yes, solid points, but the real question is..Are these improvements enough to not get swept by the heat again like last year?
     
  18. BevoPhin

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  19. ckparrothead

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    That's pretty interesting. Wonder if Miami would try and get in on that.
     
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  20. Fin-O

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    Perfect time to reunite Melo with his bff Lebron


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  21. Vertical Limit

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    Just melo alone wont get you Kyrie but Melo is definitely a giant piece. The cavs will still want more.

    I can see the knicks and cavs make something happen if the rumors are true.
     
  22. Vertical Limit

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    Well it is already said kyrie's preferred destination is San Antonio.

    LeBron's camp has been talking to the Lakers, i guess to prepare themselves for 2018. I truly believe that's Lebron's choice next offseason if he leaves the Cavs.
     
  23. BevoPhin

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    Also says he's interested in the knicks, heat, and twolves.
     
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  24. sports24/7

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    I don't see how the Knicks get Kyrie unless they're willing to give up KP also.

    If I'm the Heat I'd definitely put in a call, but I don't think they have the assets unless they were willing to give up Whiteside (who would actually be a huge get for Cleveland because he'd give them exactly what they need). It would obviously have to start with Dragic, and then some combo of TJ, Winslow, Bam, or Richardson. They won't be able to use JJ, Waiters, or Olynyk as they just signed them, but I think Ellington would be able to be in play because they merely picked up the option.
     
  25. Fin-O

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    Melo is a step in keeping their franchise's savior happy.

    Melo's value just went up.

    Sign Rose, add Melo and they are still EASILY the best team in the East


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  26. Vertical Limit

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    now that i think about it, with the uncertainty of Lebron's future in 2018, i dont think it's the knicks unless Porzingis is involved. The cavs are not going to want Melo on the team without Lebron and Melo is not going to want to be in cleveland without lebron either.

    So you have to trade for a young asset and thats KP. And if im the Knicks, Kyrie is a guy you trade KP for without hesitating. You have to add your first round rookie too and maybe some picks, but Kyrie is that good.
     
  27. eltos_lightfoot

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    I would almost rather keep our guys. Irving has been somewhat injury prone, and if you are giving up more than just Dragic, I am not sure you gain enough to make it worthwhile. No effing way I give up Whiteside or Bam!
     
  28. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Whats funny is where does that leave Kevin Love. Guy never wanted to be in cleveland, and he signs that gigantic deal. And now he's stuck.
     
  29. BevoPhin

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    He wants to join Dion and form the best backcourt in the league.
     
  30. Fin-O

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    We all believe he is leaving next year. But Gilbert is going to do whatever Lebron wants to keep him there, even if he is wasting his time.

    Part of me thinks Lebron wants to do all he can to devalue that franchise long term, then be apart of a group that buys it at some point once he is retired.


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  31. BevoPhin

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    Dragic and Winslow. Dragic is a very good PG, and Winslow can defend KD and let Lebron focus more on offense.

    Throw in Ellington if you really need to.
     
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  32. ckparrothead

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    I feel like several times when Pat Riley has talked about the state of the East, he's cryptically alluded to Cleveland being in some trouble this way.
     
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    They'd still be the best team in the east, but they'd be in worse shape against GSW, and how can you take that risk if you're the Cavs? If LeBron bolts you're left with nothing. I think they'd be looking at a young, talented piece for Kyrie. That way if they lose LeBron, they still have another young player to sell to the fans.

    Kyrie is a legitimate star. I would absolutely trade Dragic and anyone else not named Whiteside for him. The injury thing is scary, but you only get so many chances at stars, and almost never get the chance to get them at 25. I honestly think Kyrie, Whiteside, Waiters, and JJ gives you a legitimate chance to win the East. Whiteside gives Miami an X factor against the Cavs.
     
  34. Limbo

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    GIVE. ME. KYRIE.

    The two I would really try to keep are Justise and Hassan. Anyone else can go.
     
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  35. Fin-O

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    I just want a 25 year old beast PG to pair with Porzingis, let me enjoy the possibility please!

    We will throw in French Frank, to hell with it.


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  36. ckparrothead

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    Interesting that Justise is off limits to you.
     
  37. CaribPhin

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    I'd be down for that handle. I often lookup his highlights on YouTube because his offensive game is so beautiful to watch. Don't lose anything on defense. If you could keep Winslow, great considering there's a lot of uncertainty at our wing spot. Getting a Kyrie could entice someone like Paul George in the off-season though.
     
  38. eltos_lightfoot

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    I could happily live with this. If all we have to give up is Dragic and Justise.
     
  39. Fin-O

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    Actually a great point. Having a young perennial stud like Kyrie will absolutely make Miami a bigger threat to land another beast sometime soon.


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    I like the idea of a stud defensive unit with Kyrie shooting the crap outta the ball lol.

    At 21 he's arguably our smartest player...so it's a little too early to sell him at the low-ish value he'd probably net. I'm still in on him as a glue guy type who brings value in unique ways. Useful, versatile wings are tough to find.

    I don't blame anyone for being more out on him though. It's been tough, and I do think his play style will lead to more injury issues.
     

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