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Mort says Ronnie could be traded by week 1

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jackson, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. Loyal Fin

    Loyal Fin Business as usual

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    Mort's off his rocker..
    I think Ricky'll play for us all season, barring injury. But this trade doesn't make sense.
     
  2. TheMageGandalf

    TheMageGandalf Senior Member

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    Maybe....

    But if someone offers a 1st or 2nd I'll help him pack personally.
     
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  3. ac_lanham

    ac_lanham Junior Member

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    I think Mort is just blowing smoke. Ricky Williams is looking at a lifetime suspension if an ounce of his piss comes back with a banned substance. I don't think the Triad want to run the risk of that happening, lest they be stuck with *gulp* Jalen Parmele, Lex Hilliard and Patrick Cobbs
     
  4. SuncoastFinsFan

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    I disagree with this. I think Parcells has the authority to do ANYTHING he sees fit and has three years to make this team competitive.

    I don't understand trading Ronnie, but if they FO did it, I imagine they would have a plan. And it could be that good rbs can be had in rounds three and four and it usually doesn't take them along time to develop.

    I like Ronnie. But he is injury prone and we all know that as a rule, BP doesn't like players who are always in the training room.

    In the end, I think this is speculation and Ronnie will brought along slowly to backup RW. Once completely healthy, if he begins to outperform RW, he'll be inserted as a starter.
     
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  5. Brown42000

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    Definitely wouldn't happen if Brown was traded. Huizenga wants to see this team win and that is why he brought Parcells in and if Ronnie isn't part of his plans then so be it. With that said I don't think Brown is going anywhere.
     
  6. SuncoastFinsFan

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    It wouldn't be for a "late round pick". I think it would be like someone said above, a second and a fourth round pick.

    And when you look around the league, its full of rbs who were picked in rounds 3-7. or outright UDFA that are outstanding. Ryan Grant, Ahmad Bradshaw, Ernest Graham...and thats just off the top of my head.

    The good news about getting RBs is that every year its possible to get an outstanding RB late in the draft, more than any other position. They don't need "years" to develop.
     
  7. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Very true.
     
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  8. SuncoastFinsFan

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    I think you missed his point. He wasn't saying that RB can never be good, but someone alluded to those guys "being as good as they were before" and they weren't. All of those guys had better seasons before they tore their ACL. He was just saying that he doesn't know if Ronnies "best days" are ahead of him.
     
  9. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Well ok. But being the most talented doesn't necessarily extrapolate to the most productive.

    Look at the "talent" of Yatil Green vs Oronde Gadsden. Yatil was clearly more talented and Oronde was clearly more productive.

    Staying healthy counts. You can have all the talent in the world and if you can't stay on the field, what good is it?
     
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  10. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Sorry, but all the potential in the world doesn't mean squat if you don't produce on the field consistently.
     
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  11. shaunm000

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    I could see this happenning if we would have taken Kevin Smith in the draft instead of trading down to Detroit.

    Parmalee and Hobbs havent looked spectatcular in my eyes, but again i dont know alot about football.
     
  12. Finrunner

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    I think I'm in Bizarro World.

    The rumor is insane. Half of what I'm reading is insane.

    Someone stated Ronnie Brown wasn't the most talented guy on our team. Would anyone have said that before the Patriots game last year? Notwithstanding the fact that he was underutilized the first two games of last season, what Ronnie Brown had accomplished last year going into that game -- # 1 in the NFL in yards from scrimmage with a so-so line and below average quarterbacking; arguably the best back in the NFL including LT and AP -- what he was doing with a 1-15 team around him was in-freaking-credible. The first half of last year, given the situation, what he had done equaled anything Ricky had ever done in a similar time-span, including his bust-out first year with us, which was more than spectacular. Both players have parts of their games better than the other -- vision and "nose for the end zone" for Ricky; receiving, hands, blocking, pure power for Ronnie, but all of that is in the margins. They're both great backs. To say one is better than the other, either one, is a real reach, but people consistently say it and I just shake my head.

    And ,then, they both haven't been totally reliable.

    To wit, I love Ricky the football player, but last year he came back and played six plays because of injury. In Canada, he was injured the year before. To say Ricky is a injury-proof option is a leaky case at best. And that doesn't take into account the suspensions and retirement (and impending expulsion should he mess up one more time). I agree with anyone and everyone who has stated Ricky looks like the best player in camp this preseason. But so what? If there's anyone at this point that thinks you don't need an extensive insurance policy for Ricky... of course to look at Ronnie as just an "insurance policy" is laughable. When he gets even close to full health -- he was still getting better (not plateauing) last year -- then we have running backs 1A and 1A. (And as Ozzy stated, players have come back from these injuries and been better in several cases.) But both our 1As are questionable for various reasons - Ronnie for health and Ricky for health and decisions. So why even the thought of trading them?

    Sure, we'll trade any player on our roster for any teams' #1 draft choices for the next three years. Any team would do that for almost any player. But that's not what we'd be getting for Ronnie (or Ricky if we were thinking about trading him). Both players are worth more to the Dolphins than anyone else. And to accept something like a # 2 + for him, as some are that would be asinine. He's worth more than that to us. So is Ricky.

    I'm just going to keep shaking my head at all this.
     
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  13. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I said it and I stand by it. If you want to go by pure talent rather than production on the field (as both have been off the field more than on due to different issues) IMHO Ricky is a better running back than Ronnie. Yes, he's a headcase, which has cost him time on the field, just as Ronnie's injuries have cost him, but when both are healthy and on the field, Ricky is a better runner.
     
  14. Finrunner

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    I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree then (assuming both are healthy), especially at this point in their careers.

    Ronnie went 5.1 ypc last year, and that was being improved from the first two weeks where he was in the 2 - 3 ypc range. The Dolphins had more questionable QBing than in 2002, arguably a worse line, and everyone knew they were going to be getting Ronnie after Week 3. Still, he went 5.1. And that's just as a runner. Which year did Ricky come close to 5.1? I've already given him credit that he has a little better nose for the end zone, so if you think that's the be-all-end-all, then point conceded and we're just going to disagree. But I'm not conceding the point by much. In Ricky's first three years, he had far more carries, yet only 3 more TDs (16-13), and it was in his fourth year he broke out, and Ronnie hasn't had that one yet (but will split time with Ricky this year and probably won't get the TDs). Not only running, but Ronnie was catching the ball. He had already caught for more yards in seven games last year than Ricky ever did as a Dolphin and for a better average than Ricky in any year, even though a lot of those were screen passes that utilized pure running after the catch.

    I'm not stating one or the other is better - Ricky's career is better because it's been longer, but in their first three years, Ronnie out-averaged Ricky in each one. Sooner or later, if he stays healthy, he'll have a whole year in which to catch up because Ricky skipped a year. But I am saying, if both healthy at this point, no way I'm picking Ricky over Ronnie. Ronnie gives you everything Ricky does running and then some.
     
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  15. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I agree. Ronnie needs about 15 carries to get in a groove. Ricky gets in a groove in the huddle. If only Ronnie were able to stay on the feild for 16 games. Like a poster said earlier. Anyone is trade bait for a #1 or #2 pick or even a combo of picks. A two for one always gets a GM going because they think they are the ONES who can pick real talent in rounds 4-7.
     
  16. alen1

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    His post strictly said the most talented player. I think Brown is the most talented player and after I made the comment regarding his talent level, I said that he would be able to display it consistently if he didn't get constantly injured.
     
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  17. Finrunner

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    Sigh.

    In the one year Ronnie and Ricky ran together, they had the same ypc, and Ronnie only got over 15 carries 4 times, and one of those times was his first game as a pro, which wasn't a good one.

    In 2006, two of his top three carry games, he went for 3.5 ypc on 26 attempts against Tennessee and 3.6 ypc on 25 attempts against KC, both wins, btw. It isn't always a case of carries.

    Against Oakland last year, he only had 15 carries, and he had 134 yards. Against New England before he went out, he already had 76 yards. In only 19 carries against Cleveland, he went for 100+. He didn't make all those in his last four carries, I assure you.

    Ronnie's usually best in carries 5-20 to this point in his career. There have been posts put up to that effect. To say he takes 15 carries to get in a groove... that's just wrong, lazy, or biased.
     
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  18. wpgfishfan

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    I like Ronnie and trading him would be a mistake unless you get a first rounder (not a New England late first rounder)

    Yes Ronnie was good last year but I'm tired of everyone bragging abot him being first in yards from scrimmage

    We were horrible last year and we always tore it up in the 4th quarter when teams went to prevent mode

    Look I like the guy but in my eyes I would rather have

    LDT
    Jackson
    Peterson

    Ronnie falls in with about 10 other guys in my eyes
     
  19. IceStorm

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    Some of you people amuse me. You're like a clown at the circus.

    Think about it guys, would you trade Ronnie Brown knowing that it only takes one problem and Ricky is gone for another year.
    Then there are those that are jumping around like they're on fire because someone in the media said something.
    Do you honestly think everything they say is the truth or that every time they say something you have to respond?

    Its much better the world believe you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
     
  20. alen1

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    I can't speak for anyone else but I don't believe everything the media says. However, it does stir up a nice discussion. If we don't respond to the media's speculation, then what good is a message board?
     
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    For the most part the media is spot on.

    But at the same time, don't be brainwashed by the brainless media.
     
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  22. ATVZ400

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    Sparano: “No chance that we’re trading Ronnie.”

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/...ere_tr.html?cxntfid=blogs_inside_the_dolphins

     
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  23. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I truly think Ricky Williams is a great back and a great offensive weapon and I am glad he is back.
    But, pinning all of your hopes on Ricky is like putting all of your eggs in one basket that is hanging by a thread in a stiff breeze.
    One more hiccup and Ricky is gone forever, not just one season. This is a dangerous gamble with what is left to carry the load if Ricky and Ronnie are gone.
    If Ronnie were traded and Ricky got injured we would have Cobbs, Parmalee and Hilliard providing the running game, not exactly a stellar cast. I am afraid this would make it rough for our new QB and offensive line as defenses would be able to put a lot of pressure on the QB with no running game.
    I hope it doesn't happen.
     
  24. PMZQ

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    Mort has definately drunk the kool-aid :no:
     
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  26. theWeasel

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    MORT, is FOS
     
  27. Jaj

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    For a first round pick that's likely to be in the top 16 I might think about it and then reject it but probably not considering that that just leaves you hoping for a RB once Ricky retires. I know you can find them later than the first but it's not a 100% process in the slightest.

    Also Ronnie when healthy does something that even Ricky cannot do. He complements the passing game UNBELIEVABLY well with his third-down blocking and receiving. His blocking by itself was what often saved the OL in 2005-2007.
     
  28. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Wow.

    First, its just speculation that seems to be stirred by a rumor.

    Second, I think you are just a wee-bit biased towards Auburn...:wink2: Nothing wrong with that, its a good SEC school.

    Third, Ronnie might be the most talented player on the team, but that has to translate to reliable productivity. Ronnie hasn't played a full season since hes been here. Sad, but true. :sad:

    Fourth, RBs are probably the easiest position for young players to come in and play. Its not unthinkable (or even unheard of) that a late round or even undrafted FA could come in and out produce Ronnie. I'm not sayin.....I'm just sayin!

    Finally, while some players can come back from his type of injury, seldom are they what they were before the injury. Now he might be, but now, hes dinged up again.

    I think we all want Ronnie healthy and to be able to produce for 16 games. If he can do that, I wouldn't trade him for two first round picks. If he can't do that, (and to this point in his career he has not) then the FO might be willing to listen to teams that want to inquire about a trade.
     
  29. SuncoastFinsFan

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    I'd rather have a player play for 16 games and avg 4.8 ypc than a player who can only play 7 games and avg 5.1. This is just to answer when did Ricky come close to Ronnie. When Ricky has played 16 games, hes been better than Ronnie has been.

    And Ricky had three years where he played 16 games. In one of those seasons he went for 1850 yards and 16 TDs. We should have been in the AFCCG game that year. :sad:

    Until Ronnie can stay healthy and produce, there are going to be people that are disillusioned by him.

    Anyway, TS said Ronnie isn't on the block so lets hope they both have great productive years. :up:
     
  30. Jaj

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    Unless Ronnie is in his mode of I'm dominating everyone 5.0 YPC with a mediocre line, I would trade him healthy for two first rounders and not look back.
     
  31. SuncoastFinsFan

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    And I strictly said it doesn't matter if you don't produce. :knucks:
     
  32. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Or one injury and we lose Ronnie for the year. It works both ways.
     
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    I don't understand. Were you agreeing with me in my earlier post about Ronnie's talent or what? Because you basically said the same thing that I said when you quoted me earlier.
     
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    Alen, this is the best post you have ever posted. I am moved to tears! :cry: <--Thats me crying over your good post!:wink2:
     
  35. SuncoastFinsFan

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    I guess it depends on the team. If its St Louis, yeah, perhaps. If its the Colts, no, I wouldn't.

    When you get a good player that is producing, hes worth alot more than any speculated college player.
     
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    If you give me two chances at filling the OLB position with a true standout pass rusher and another shot at getting a top CB, along with our other five picks (in rounds 1-4), you could practically stack the team silly.
     
  38. brandon27

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    Ok, then out of curiosity, who do you think is our most talented offensive player?
     
  39. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    As I said a few times, I think Ricky is a better running back than Ronnie.
     
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  40. texanphinatic

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    For a pick we in no way should trade Ronnie. For a package .... well id have to see it. If someone was desperate enough (who?) to offer multiple high rounds (im talking at least 1first and second, maybe more) then we should take it. But not for a single pick.

    What COULD be interesting is if we did a player swap similar to the Broncos/Skins with Portis/Baily, though again, with who?

    But as for right now, I think Ricky is the more talented back, he lead the league in rushing under freaking Wanny when teams were loading the box. Hes damn good. And although he doesnt have a lot of recent wear, hes getting old. It wouldnt make sense to trade Ronie for a guy who has 2-3 top years left maybe, and has a pot issue. He seems to be clear right now, and good for him, but why risk it?

    Still, if it happens .... beanie in '08 draft. ;)
     

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