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Chiefs expose Pats

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Last night was enjoyable, but we go through this every season lol. They'll make adjustments and be fine as they always are.

    I expect 2018 to be our chance at legitimately unseating them in the division.
     
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  2. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    He wasnt dinking and dunking. Thats what he does. KC somehow took it away or Edleman gone had changed things


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  3. danmarino

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    I think he's referring to the stats. The fact that they have NEVER, in 18 seasons, given up any of those things is mind boggling.
     
  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree with this to an extent. He was dinking and dunking originally, but they did get away from it when they needed to score. Just more proof that when Brady is expected to carry the team he can't. It's ALWAYS been about the defense and when the defense doesn't play well they lose. :)
     
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  5. Phins_to_Win

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    Yeah but there were some throws where he was jumpy and the pressure wasn't really near him. I agree if you start hitting him he had a tendency to become jumpy, but Chiefs really didn't get to him much early on.

    Or maybe its just that the last time I saw him he was ripping through the Falcon's defense like they didn't exist.

    Either way it was fun to see them get beaten and humiliated at home.
     
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  6. Mafioso

    Mafioso Air Force's #1 Phin Fan

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    I don't know man. I would hate if we played the pats next week. BB won't tolerate being embarased like that and will no doubt come out next week in a show of force like China marching droves of infantryman thru the streets. If it was a division rival he would pull out ever trick in the book and do what he usually does to us after we take the first meeting of the year lol. That SOB love to run up the score on us instead of run out the clock in a blowout. Lol

    The saints have a good shot though so I'm excited to see how this plays out. I hope AP has still got that fire.
     
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  7. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Yeah, I'm not calling for their demise yet. However, they looked really bad last night. The question isn't whether or not BB is mad and will want to slaughter every opponent from here on out, it's if the Pats CAN slaughter them.

    As has been mentioned, the Pats have started off slow before(I think I remember them being 1-3 not too many seasons ago). But this game just felt different. And the way in which they lost is telling, IMO.

    Let's just hope they collapse this year.
     
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  8. djphinfan

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    No I don't believe so...just needs to adjust to his talent..
     
  9. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The more I think about this game the more I've come to realize that the Falcons, in the Super Bowl, where the first to exposed the Pats since the Giants. They showed us all a new blueprint on how to beat the Pats. Everyone likes to fellate the Pats in regards to their comeback in the SB, but the fact is the Falcons were more of the reason for that comeback than the Pats. The Falcons gassed in the 11th round of a heavyweight championship boxing match. If the Falcons had not have been so tired, they would have kept slaughtering the Pats. Of course give the Pats credit for not quitting, but the Falcons lost that game more than the Pats won it.

    KC did the same thing to the Pats last night except they didn't tire at the end.
     
  10. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Riiiiiight...this guy is the GOAT? And he became the GOAT without cheating? Bwwhahahah!

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  11. cbrad

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    Just keep something in mind. There are a number of great QB's that played a long time where age suddenly caught up with them. They had a sudden drop off from one year to the next instead of showing a gradual decline in performance.

    For example, Marino never had an average passer rating over a year below 80 from 1983-1998, then suddenly has a passer rating of 67.4 in his last year at age 38:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm

    Peyton Manning had 11 straight seasons of 95+ passer rating and then suddenly in his last year at age 39 he has 67.9: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm

    And that's just looking at raw unadjusted stats. Adjust them all to a reference year and the difference to the earlier years is even more pronounced. Brady's 40 and no one beats age. It's not far fetched to think he'll suddenly start showing his age instead of having a gradual decline. Whether that's happening now or not we'll see, but it is realistic.
     
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  12. Fin D

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    Because, those numbers are impossible. Especially with plug anyone in defense and offense.

    If it was sport you never heard of from another country, and they told you those numbers and then told that team has been busted and accused multiple times for cheating...there'd be no question in your mind they achieved those heights legitamately.
     
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  13. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The difference is, Marino's and Manning's arms were shot. Brady didn't look like he was suffering from age or injury he looked more confused.
     
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  14. cbrad

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    Well.. let's keep in mind that the Pats had quite a few games where they lost by 40+ points.

    For example:
    2005 vs. SD they gave up 41 points
    2005 vs. Indy they give up 40 points
    2012 vs SF they give up 41 points
    2014 vs. KC they give up 41 points

    So giving up for the first time 42 points is not going to look "statistically impossible" when you have so many examples where they gave up 40+.
     
  15. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Even still...4 out of how many? I wonder who the closest is to them or if they're even in the lead for that stat?
     
  16. cbrad

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    This is true. We'll see what happens.

    btw.. Brett Favre also had a sudden drop off to 69.9 (worst year) his last year at age 41 though it wasn't the first time he performed around 70-ish:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm
     
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  17. Fin D

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    But I'm not talking about just those 40+ scores. I'm talking all of it. To ave only one 300 yard passer in 300+ games is impossible. But then when you couple that with everything else, it paints a real specific picture.
     
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  18. danmarino

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    It looks like since 2001 only 1 team has allowed 40 or more points less than the Pats. Believe it or not, the Chargers have only allowed 40 or more points 4 times. The Steelers and Pats have allowed 40 or more points 5 times each. The Dolphins 12 times. The most? The Lions with 24 times!
     
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  19. cbrad

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    OK.. this might be record time for me to produce a graph but here is a histogram of points allowed by Brady-led NE teams in losses. As you can see the distribution looks pretty normal so the 42 isn't going to stand out.

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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I just checked those stats. They've allowed 300+ yards passing 62 times. And they've allowed 300+ yards with 4 TD's 5 times. They actually allowed 5 TD passes with 300+ yards 1 time.

    Overall, they've allowed one 300+ yard passing game with 4 passing TD's without an INT and one 300+ yards and 5 TD passes without an INT.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    Oh ok, like I said that was just impossible.
     
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  22. cbrad

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    Yeah.. I'm looking at distributions of passing yards given up, TD's given up, etc.. first for NE and second where their averages ranked across the league, and first of all the distributions are all slightly skewed but close to normal, and NE doesn't rank high (often middle or quite low) in passing yards given up or even TD's given up.

    So without doing the entire analysis I'm pretty confident there's nothing here that's "statistically impossible". Here's the thing: when you start looking at combinations of stats, like X number of yards given up + Y TD's given up + etc.. you're multiplying those probabilities which means they will naturally be really low as a result.

    So there will be very few examples of such combination stats for ANY team. NE is really good on the points given up ranking and as we saw there there's nothing abnormal about yesterday, so no these aren't "statistically impossible" results.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    come on Dano, don't go there, their five time world champs in the past 15 years..they are there for many reasons...great Coaching and Qb'ing being the main two..

    Its not that the falcons lost their gas, its that the pats are in incredible condition cardiovascular wise, and belicek makes it a priority in the training of his team...like seriously watches them during conditioning...

    Their ability to outsmart their opponents from a schematic perspective is to their credit..

    now the only thing thats gonna weaken them Imo, is making poor decisions in the personnel dept..no'one is immune to talent deficiency..

    The loss of Jamie Collins..Chris Long..Chandler Jones...Rob Nincovich..Donte Hightower from last year to last nite is a good reason why they lost..a bit of an adjustment in losing a great player like eddleman as well.

    bottom line..if they take a step back look no farther than the personnel dept....mistakes like Kony ealy, loss of hi draft pick Rivers..its all adding up.
     
  24. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Go where? What did I post that wasn't factual? The Falcons were embarrassing the Pats before they gassed out. The ONLY difference between the Falcons cardio and the Pats cardio was the Pats defense didn't play nearly as much as the Falcons defense. The Pats had the ball 40 minutes compared to the Falcons 23 minutes. To top it off the Falcons offense didn't even get a chance to have the ball in OT.

    Maybe I was wrong in my first post. The Falcons didn't just lose that game more than the Pats won it, the OT rules in the NFL SUCK too! lol


    In the 1st half of the Super Bowl Brady had a 66 passer rating to Ryan's 158. Brady ended up with a 95 while Ryan ended up with a 145.
     
  25. Finatik

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    Maybe all those hits in the head are catching up with him. Or maybe there will be teams in the 1st 2 weeks that look great and teams that look horrible and by the end of the season those 2 games were not a predictor of their actual state.
     
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  26. cbrad

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    IMO the primary reason Atlanta lost after taking a 28-3 is the coaches deciding to abandon the run. It wasn't cardio in my mind nor NE as much, even though the Falcons' defense did get tired and Brady played great at the end.

    Consider.. Falcons ran only 5 times after taking a 28-3 lead. Seriously?? And if you want to pin it down to a single play or set of plays why not just run 3 times after getting to NE's 23 yard line. Run out much of the clock and kick a field goal. Instead you had a sack and a holding call. Abandoning the run = why they collapsed more than anything else.
     
  27. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Great points. If they had just of kicked that FG...game over.
     
  28. Fin-O

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    Is this the thread I post in, to LOL at the people who have been telling me Alex Smith isn't a good QB?


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  29. adamprez2003

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    You can't predict anything off the first three games of the season. Some teams are ready others are still tinkering and working their way into shape. Starting week 4 you get an idea of how good teams are or arent. The one exception is teams with new coordinators. That can take up to 8 weeks before you figure out what type of team they are
     
  30. danmarino

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    He's better than Brady!


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  31. KeyFin

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    Yes folks, we are leading the AFC East before even playing a game. The Pats looked strangely vulnerable as well.....didn't someone just say that in a season review?
     
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  32. Galant

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    One thought from yesterday, the Pats ran the ball well with Gillislee. The OL opened up holes and Gillislee blew threw them, especially in the first half.

    That could prove troublesome for the Dolphins who we know struggle against the run and making tackles.

    Don't underestimate that against the Dolphins.
     
  33. Galant

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  34. Rock Sexton

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    Unfortunately Jay Ajayi isn't the all-purpose back Hunt is.
     
  35. texanphinatic

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    Reports of the Patriot's demise have been greatly exaggerated before, so I won't buy that. First few weeks, and week 1 specifically, can always be a bit weird and unpredictable. As always, fun to watch them **** up though.

    The amount of stress that Al/Chris kept putting on the Hightower injury changing the game though ... can't help but feel the Pats may have really been missing some of the guys they dropped lately (Chandler and Collins for sure). Next Man Up works until the next man just don't got it!
     
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  36. Rock Sexton

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    Gilislee was a beast in short yardage, especially at the goal line.

    I saw him truck Derrick Johnson a couple of times.
     
  37. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Gilislee averaged 3 ypc. Of course he's going to get that 1 to 2 yards a few times out of 10 attempts. Weren't the Pats 0-2 for 4th down conversions? Wasn't it Gilislee who got the ball and failed to convert on those short yard situations?? Oh yeah...that's right. lol
     
  38. Galant

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    Story of two halves perhaps. I watched the whole first half and the Pats run game looked solid. Not sure when it flipped but is it possible the Pats' lackluster pass game made the Chiefs pin down the run game?
     
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  39. bran

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    I'm not going to kick dirt on the Pariots, but there were a couple of things that have really got my attention. First is Gronkowski, he just didn't look into the game at all. He just kind of moped around the sideline,he didn't try out muscle defenders at all, he would just throw his hands in the air and whine to officials for a flag. The second thing is some of the comments from Patriots players really caught my eye, basically calling out teammates heart and effort, especially after opening night after the banner raising, you would think the team would be really fired up.
     
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  40. danmarino

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    In the first quarter White had a couple of nice 5-10 yard runs. In the first half Gillislee had one run for 16 yards and one run for 9 yards and the rest were 4 yards or less. In the 2nd half, Gillislee had one run for 4 yards, one run for 2 yards, and everything else was either 1 yard or a loss of yardage.
     

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