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Great win, but we have some serious problems on defense.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hitman8, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    No. Again, you're talking out of your azz about him due to you having a grudge against him. Worst thing I can say about Harris in his first game is that it was he who lost contain on the 26 yard run by Brandon Oliver. He rushed up field and Oliver ran thru the hole he vacated.

    Harris only played 27 snaps (47%). That's not a lot of snaps.

    Separately, it was Harris also pressured Rivers into the INT throw that Allen dropped in the EZ. Didn't show up in the stat sheet. But that was him. Enjoy.

     
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  2. cbrad

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    So you'd argue the odds of flipping a heads the next time you flip a coin go down the more consecutive heads you already flipped? Try that with an actual coin. Say the probability of heads is 50%. I think it's pretty clear that no matter how many times you consecutively flipped heads, the probability of heads for the next flip stays the same at 50%.

    This btw is called the gambler's fallacy, which states that if something happens more frequently than a person expects (e.g. consecutive heads), then the probability of it happening again is often believed to be lower the next time around.. so that the overall average frequency of occurrence remains the same.

    It's really interesting because the gambler's fallacy is like the opposite of the "hot hand fallacy" (streaks are real), and people exhibit both. Which type of fallacy tends to occur usually depends on whether a person thinks the event can or cannot be influenced by skill. The more a person thinks it can be influenced by skill the more likely you'll see the "hot hand fallacy" while the less a person thinks it can be influenced by skill the more likely you'll see the gambler's fallacy.

    Funny thing is that you have the gambler's fallacy for kicking FG's, which is something that can be influenced by skill! As I said.. there are always exceptions to the rule.
     
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  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Exactly right. For the life of me I can't understand NOT being objective about the players on your own team. No one here is saying that Harris played great, what we are saying is he didn't play badly. I don't think hitman8 does anything other than watch the game. He's already claimed that no one here has access to coaches film. Well, I do, and so does anyone else with $65 bucks. lol
     
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  4. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    He doesn't do any research before posting for sure. Easy to look up snap counts or find video of plays these days.

    And he must've really hated Melvin Ingram during his first few seasons... I think it was year 4 before Ingram started playing "a lot of snaps" and putting up fantasy stats.
     
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  5. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    There you go again making stuff up. I never claimed no one has access to game film here. You just pulled that one out of your ***.

    I am objective, and objectively speaking harris has not even been playing decent, let alone great.
     
  6. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    27 snaps is a lot of snaps for a backup de. William hayes who is also a backup de only played 25 snaps and got 3 pressures, a sack, a QB hit and was great against the run.

    Wake who is the starter got 33 snaps, just six more than harris, and he also got more pressures and played better against the run than harris.

    So yes harris did get a lot of snaps considering the circumstances.
     
  7. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    You're right. My bad, I went back and checked. It was another poster and I thought I remembered it was you.

    Anyhow, Harris played decent. No one said great. I think you're the only one who said he played poorly.

    You're not objective. You wanted someone else and unless Harris gets 15 sacks, 7 INT's and 115 tackles you won't change your mind about him.
     
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  8. danmarino

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    You mean William Hayes the 10 year vet?

    It's nice to see your objectivity. haha
     
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  9. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Hayes was brought in as a vet specifically to be "great against the run". That's his forte.

    Harris and Hayes are not "backups" though. They are part of the starting rotation and brought in on specific packages.

    Wake played 33 snaps. Branch played the most at 43. Are they backups as well?
     
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  10. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Hayes has also been great rushing the passer, a lot better than harris. He is not just a run stuffer, and yes him and harris are officially backups, they do get a lot of snaps as part of the rotation, but they are not the starters, wake and branch are the starters and are getting more snaps accordingly.
     
  11. hitman8

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    I am being objective, hayes was brought in mostly as a backup run stuffer, yet he is also rushing the passer a lot better than our first round pick harris.

    I really dont see what's so great about harris, he definitely should not have been our first round pick. I would love it if we traded him now while he still has his first round trade value and get a solid starting linebacker or CB which we desperately need.
     
  12. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Sureeeee....

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  13. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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  14. djphinfan

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    I thought the defense played well considering their opponent, on the road, in their first game, with their bet linebacker gone...like offense they took the conservative approach, stymied the run game, and kept rivers passes and completions in front of them..their weren't any big plays..allowed 17 points..

    nice job while their were obvious blown assignments because it was their first game..
     
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  15. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Some of what we saw went back to last season though... Maxwell getting screamed at by Jones, Kiko not being able to cover or blitz efficiently, all the LBs losing their man in zone or getting washed out, etc...

    Hopefully, they improve in a hurry before we face the Saints in London in 2 weeks.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    Like I said Cooch I thought they played well considering the elements and variables against them, though they showed resiliency and toughness, and they didn't allow anyone to get over the top of them
     
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  17. cuchulainn

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    Overall, yes, I agree. Just a bit concerning to see Maxwell still lost at times on who to cover and Jones having to scream at him, along with Kiko spending too much time either on the ground, lost in coverage, in the wrong hole, or getting washed out.

    These were issues last season. We're in the same defense we had under Joseph. There's no learning curve for them as opposed to Harris, Tankersley, Allen, McDonald, or rookie LB, Chase Allen.

    We should be able to clean that up and play considerably better this weekend against the jets. A division game should get everyone's blood to pumping early. Hope we jump on them early and keep our foot on their throats. Ajayi should have his first 200 yard rushing game of the season.
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    would you have taken 17 points and less than 50 yards rushing in game 1 against Phillip rivers and Melvin gordon?

    they did something very right even though there were a few missed assignments, no real big plays is act of defense.
     
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  19. hitman8

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    31 of 39 passes completed against us is not "a few missed assignments". Yes our run defense was great, but our pass defense was horrendous. We were lucky to get that win. They marched it down the field with ease on that last drive and were it not for their bad field goal kicking we would be 0-1.
     
  20. danmarino

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    lol... 1 passing TD isn't horrendous. Denver's defense gave up 3 passing TD's, for compariosn.

    The Dolphin's defense bent but never broke. 44-45 yard field goals aren't gimmies. Saying the win was luck is shortsighted. The defense, especially considering the fact that they played a HoF QB with a fully healthy and dangerous WR'ing corps, after all the turmoil they faced in the last month, and gave up less than 50 yards rushing, played decent. I hope they improve, but under the circumstances I'm not sure any reasonable, objective person could have asked for much more.
     
  21. CashInFist

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    That kind of defense got the Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls. As bad as that may be losing all of them, I'd still take it over mediocrity forever since Dan Marino retired. Haven't been a true SB contender in a while.
     
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  22. danmarino

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    It's exactly the type of defenses that the Patriots have had over the past 17 years. They typically give up above average yards, but are top 5 in the league for point allowed. Now, I'm not saying that this defense has that amount of skill (cheating), but if they give up 17-20 ppg this year they will be a top 8-10 defense.
     
  23. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I can't count that because they have been cheating all the time. I get what you're saying though.
     
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  24. Csonka Marino

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    I am just worried about the pass coverage as of right now. The rest will get it together the rest of the season. Quick passes to RBs and TEs are a glaring weakness if we are exposed correctly. Have a nice day everyone.
     
  25. Fin D

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    I think the pass coverage will improve as soon as the pass rush does.
     
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  27. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Do you think that maybe Hayes was the beneficiary of an o-line trying to stop Suh, Phillips, Wake, Godcheux and/or Harris?

    Naaaa....you'll just stick to "Harris suck". lol

    And I love the "a lot" better. Wrong. And to say that after ONE game is just sad. And you should feel bad.
     

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