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Jim Schwartz

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Redwine4all, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    a good HC Candidate.
     
  2. Dolphan24

    Dolphan24 Active Member

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    Gtfo you are a clown
     
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  3. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Red Wine? More like Red Whine!!!

    Tough to take you seriously any more.
     
  4. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Slightly left of center
    :omg::omg::omg:
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    troll alert
     
  6. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    ROFL...wow.

    I make a recommendation and I am a troll, a whiner (that can't be taken seriously), a clown...AND not one comment on the idea itself. Nothing about the ability or efficacy of Jim Schwartz. THOSE reactions are those of a troll. I am just throwing out ideas of how we can improve. But whatever.

    I am not saying we should definitely hire Schwartz, but his defenses have looked good. He didn't have a great tenure with Detroit, but many times coaches fail for a variety of reasons in their first HC gig. Look at Belichick.

    Detroit's culture was one of perennial losing, and he got them to the playoffs. It clearly wasn't enough and there clearly wasn't enough success for him to keep his job, but he may have learned valuable lessons. Philly's defense is pretty good, they play physical, they run to the ball.

    I would keep him on the watch list come December...if Philly makes the playoffs, he's worth of consideration IMO.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    my bad, your not trolling..
     
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  8. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let me preface this by saying... I don't see a scenario where we're looking for a head coach this offseason unless maybe we win less than 5 games this year, and I don't see that as likely, and even then, given the fact we lost our starting QB and were forced to replace him with a guy who was set to be retired, and in the broadcast booth, I bet Gase gets a pass.

    As for Jim Schwartz, I do however agree with the fact he'd be a good HC candidate somewhere. He's a solid DC in my opinion, and I think he did a pretty good job leading Detroit out of the dumpster fire land they were in, but his inexperience just couldn't get them over the hump like Caldwell seems to have. I think Schwartz would be a guy that would have success the second time around. I do however also think he needs to find a way to keep control of himself at times. He tended to fly off the handle too much in his time in Detroit, and his teams often reflected that same attitude in their play. I think he can be a guy that has a good second run, and I bet he's going to be in consideration for some jobs this offseason as they open up, as I said, I just don't see that being here.
     
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  9. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    He's a great DC. I wouldn't want him as the HC though.

    One thing a lot of fans, and teams for that matter, don't understand is continuity plays a HUGE part in winning. Yes, you need a good coach and good talent, but throwing both away too early will sink a franchise. That's been the Dolphins biggest problem over the last 18 years, IMO. You must give coaches and players time to develop. Some of the best coaches and players in this league weren't good from day one or even from year two or three. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, BB, etc all either sucked there first time around or sat for a year or longer before turning into HoF players/coaches.


    Gase needs 5 years. Yes, 5. After what has happened to this franchise over the last 2 decades a coach needs times to put it back together.
     
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  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    The Vance Joseph/Burke tree from Cincy is a failure
     
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  11. Walter

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    Agree that Gase deserves more time.

    5 years is kinda pushing the envelope IMO. I think at least for me the need is there to see positive development on a continued bases and not getting broadsided and surprised by realities even the fans are aware of. Seeing the ability to adjust in a reasonable amount of time and not going through the same crap over and over is essential.

    The ammount of time should be relevant to the level of ability shown, and in my book it should not take even near 5 years to get a realistic understanding of what we have as a head coach....The signs will be there and judgement must be made by the significance of those signs, whether another year or two or even possibly three but please don't tell me it will take another 4-5..years to see.......And if it does, thats part of the problem too.....
     
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  12. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I too think 5 years is pushing it, but that depends on the progress you're seeing. If you're seeing late rounders developing into contributors and starters, and you're seeing growth and improvement in player development, and competitiveness across the board, you keep giving time, especially if you're getting into, or close to the playoffs. If you stop seeing that, or aren't seeing that development, and improvement across the board in performance, then you stop. You can't keep a guy who's going 3-13 year after year just because you're seeing some guys get better. Sure, that's extreme, and obvious as an example, but you get what I'm saying I'm sure. I'd think you should at least, at a minimum be giving 3 years, unless you can clearly see it's a catastrophic failure such as Cam Cameron.
     
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  13. Destroyer

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    Mike Zimmer.
     
  14. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

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    Cam Cameron
    Joe Philbin
    Tony Sparano
    Dave Wannstedt
    Jim Bates
    Todd Bowells ( though he took us to school Sunday

    Theres 20 years.......( at 3 year try out)
     
  15. Deerless Dice

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    is the bloom off the rose already at 1-1 after our first trip to the playoffs in 8 years?
     
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  16. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Adam Gase has my back. Just like I would give any POTUS a couple of years or so, Adam Gase deserves at least through next season for me, unless he proves to be utterly useless and incompetent, which I would say has about a 95% chance of not happening (@cbrad to confirm please).
     
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  17. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    yes, for me, it is. DW also took us to the playoffs. so did Sparano.
     
  18. cbrad

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    Gase is in no danger of being let go. Here are the stats on number of games coached vs. career win% for NFL coaches from 1966-2016:
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    Looking at average tenure of an NFL HC as a function of win% might be useful for predicting if/when Gase gets fired:

    Less than 10% = 12 games = 0.75 seasons
    10-20% = 17.3 games = 1.1 seasons
    20-30% = 29.5 games = 1.8 seasons
    30-40% = 57 games = 3.6 seasons
    40-50% = 80 games = 5 seasons
    50-60% = 150 games = 9.4 seasons
    60%+ = 175.6 games = 11 seasons

    Gase so far has just above a 61% win percentage so I think he's pretty safe for now! And it will take quite a bit as you can see to bring the expected number of seasons he'll coach down to 3 seasons or less.
     
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  19. jw3102

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    Schwartz sucked as a head coach when he was the Lions HC. He had a 29-51 record and while I think he is an excellent DC, I have zero desire of seeing him as a future HC of the Dolphins.

    The problem with the Dolphins is the overall lack of talent throughout the roster and it's not Gase.
    I think replacing Tannebaum with a head of football operations who knows how to build a quality
    football team is the real issue with this organization. As long as Tannebaum is in charge of football operations, the Dolphins will never be a serious SB contender.

    Winning the SB is really the only goal every organization should have every year and with Tannebaum in Miami, it just isn't a realistic goal for this organization.
     
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