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Garbage offense indeed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Sep 27, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    These stats will tell you all you need to know:

    2016:
    31st in total first downs with 278
    19th in first downs by the rush
    28th in first downs by the pass
    30th in first downs by penalty
    31st in converting 3rd downs
    32nd in converting 4th downs
    4th most penalized team; 3rd most by yardage

    2017:
    32nd in total first downs
    30th in first downs by the rush
    30th in first downs by the pass
    14th in first downs by penalty
    32nd in converting 3rd downs
    17th in converting 4th downs
    3rd least penalized;2nd least by yardage

    And there you have it, folks. garbage offense.
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he really was accurate when he said he's been watching this garbage for two years..

    does not reflect Well on the qbs...cutler has only played two games so he has time to rectify
     
  3. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Doesn’t bode well for Gase either. He’s the one designing and play calling this garbage.

    I wish we would script the first 15 plays so we could get off to a good start. Granted things might not go as planned. But if everyone knows what we’re doing we shouldn’t have issues executing them.
     
  4. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    I would like to them try to get the RBs more involved in the passing game. It can open things up. It's tough to defend. It can take some pressure off the OL, etc, etc.
     
  5. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Yeeeesh.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Yea bro, way to blame Tannehill for everything. :001_rolleyes:
     
  7. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    am I imagining something or was the first play of the game a long pass to Gray during the Pitt and Buff game? That set the offense for the game
     
  8. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    I think most people would interpret "31st in converting 3rd downs" as "3rd down conversion percentage", not as "total number of 3rd downs made". You're listing the total number of 3rd downs made instead of how often we converted.

    In general efficiency stats tend to correlate a lot more with winning than volume stats so you'd rather list those anyway (exceptions exist: e.g. total number of receiving TD's is one of the best predictors of a WR entering the HoF).

    So.. efficiency stats for 2016:
    25th in 3rd down conversion percentage
    32nd in 4th down conversion percentage
    18th in 1st down percentage (passing)
    21st in 1st down percentage (rushing)
    etc...

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/

    Anyway, "garbage offense" by many measures is correct, but keep in mind not all offensive stats were "garbage". Some were really good, like "yards per play" where we were 8th, or passer rating among starting QB's where we were 12th (and our backup was even better).

    Overall, the one stat that trumps them all is points scored, and we were 17th there, so I'm going with "average offense".
     
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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I don't understand why we run so few crossing routes, and seem to rarely throw short passes to backs. I would think slants and crossing patterns would be great with Landry, Stills, and Grant.
     
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  10. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Absofreakinglutely the worst one INT game I've ever seen. Total F-ing garbage. One more performance like that and I'd fire everyone. Don't know who to replace them with but if that;s the best we can do, I'll take over. Can't do worse. Neither can this guy.
     
  11. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    These numbers support how reliant we were on big plays last season. The explosive play stuff doesn't show up as much in things like 3rd down conversions.

    We were SECOND in the NFL last year in "big play percentage": run plays of 10+ yards and pass plays of 25+ yards.

    Some of that was probably flukey, as big plays tend to be. But the point remains that those plays are what kept us competitive in lots of games when we struggled to consistently move the sticks and put drives together.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    last year we sucked on third down and we sucked on plays per game, and below average on points per game...we sucked.
     
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  13. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    In 2016 the average points scored over 16 games was 364.4. The Dolphins scored 363 points in 2016.

    In terms of points per game, that comes out to 0.0875 ppg less than league average. I think it's much better to say the Dolphins were almost exactly at league average in the most important offensive stat: points per game.
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    heeeeeey now Cbrad...answer the question factually, below average or not based on the numbers?
     
  15. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    Techically it's below average, but like I said that's not a good way of representing things. Best way is that we were almost exactly average in points scored per game.
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    your the numbers man, thought you would appreciate that...technically speaking.
     
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  17. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    I do, haha!

    OK, just so we have a counter to your technically correct statement, let me respond with a different technically correct statement that discriminates among teams better (because there were 16 below average teams by ppg last year):

    The Dolphins were closer to league average in points scored per game than any other team in 2016.
     
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  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    sorry C-brad...I win this one...its undebatable that were below league average..

    YEAH BABY!!! I beat C-Brad!!!!!!!!....mmmm can you feel that!!!!


    I feel so smart..ahhhhhhh
     
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  19. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    [​IMG]
     
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  20. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    haha.

    Well.. I wouldn't mind agreeing that you beat me IF you could provide evidence I ever disagreed with you. Even in the original post #13 I literally said we were "0.0875 ppg less than league average".

    So it's really a strawman to say I was arguing you were wrong. And if I wasn't even disagreeing.. how could you win? :smile:
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    lol..instead of you saying the words ''I disagree'' you said '' its better to say''

    I see... the Cbrad way of disagreeing...gotcha :ffic:
     
  22. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    I couldn't say "I disagree" because I proved you were right by doing the calculations. Usually if I disagree with something I'll state that directly.
     
  23. Dolphin North

    Dolphin North Well-Known Member

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    I've seen enough short slants these past 5 years. Enough passes behind the LOS as well.
     
  24. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm not talking short slants. I'm talking like 10-15 yards. And not behind los to backs.
     
  25. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    You of all people should know the answer to that question.
     
  26. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Great post. Parker was eating these alive during camp. Part of the garbage offense mentality is not using players to their strengths. Not enough 50/50 balls to Parker, for example. KC is showing how to use under-sized threats, like Grant, with Hill and Hunt
     
  27. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    we won't need the anthem protests to stop watching Miami, lol. they are doing a bang enough job
     
  28. Miami_Dolfan

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    i have a feeling major changes will happen if we get blown out by Brees and the Saints
     
  29. cbrad

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    A good coach will make those changes before getting blown out! It won't be as easy as just getting rid of a few bad guards this time around, so in some sense this is a better test of Gase as a HC than last year (though I was thoroughly impressed with that turnaround last year). I mean.. it's like that never-die attitude we had last year just evaporated.
     

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