Rock with the most cogent argument (bold) so far. Tanny played well down the stretch (so did Moore) but they were not running an offense he likes. Credit to Gase for making the changes necessary to be successful, but last year was not the offense he wants to run. Make no mistake, he was happy with winning games but he was not satisfied with the offense that was ran. When he said he hasn't liked his offense for two years now he means it. Up and down who cares if it's Tanny/Cutler/Moore or the oline, or the WRs. You guys keep arguing how it's a team game, well the QB is part of the team and they've ran the crap offense for two years (according to Gase).
Not necessarily. Calling out all but one or two people is divisive and counter productive to building cohesion. Think about how the military builds units. If you have people screwing up repeatedly, they don't exclude the ones who do it perfect, they call them all out and make them all pay... or like in the instance with T, T, & D, where they just aren't going to get it, they cut from the team. I'm not saying anyone was or is perfect, but Gase was plenty complimentary of Tannehill last season.
Complimenting is separate from attesting that a certain QB can run his offense the way he likes it. Gase has been fairly straight up since he's been here - so all of the sudden he's going to not mean the QB is lumped in with such a scathing "whole" indictment considering some of the heat Tanny has taken from large portions of the fanbase? Nah. He would've separated the QB play in lieu of that. Gase knows very well what he said. The only time the offense has truly worked is primarily because of Ajayi anyways. This "O" is nowhere near the fast, uptempo scheme he wants to play. Hence his comments.
yet he says the offense has been trash for two years and we're only two games into season two. He singled out Tanny for praise for a game or two, and singled out the defense while calling out the offense at other times. He is not against Singling our players or units.
Coaches often single out players for praise. Coaches often call out whole units. Rarely do coaches call out individual players.
Such an over-generalized farce. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-adam-gase-calls-out-devante-parker/ Even Chris Perkins admits it in his article: "Coach Adam Gase, who hasn’t been afraid to call out his players publicly, has seen positive signs from both Parker and Phillips, but also plenty of room for improvement." http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-combine-20170303-story.html
You and JD are creating your own narrative here. The entire "offense" has sucked. That doesn't mean that every single person on the offense sucks. He grouped them all in because they make up the entirety of the offense. It's about cohesion, team building, and pushing them to improve as a whole.
He prefers a fast, up-tempo offense? Weird, we usually hear that coaches prefer a slow, lethargic offense. This is new.
I'm not creating anything. Offense = every player, not every player except Tanny. AS A WHOLE this group has sucked compared to Gase's expectations of how his offense needs to look and be run now matter what pockets of Tanny's play have looked like.
Still can't have an honest debate can you? You have a compulsion to distort everything. I mean, you literally replace: "he did start listening to Thill more and got him more involved with game planning" with "...." as if that wasn't the main part of what I said. Here, i'll do it to you: ....Tanny was allowed to audible... Now that 's done, I'll further act like you, and expect you to explain how you can contradict everything you've said by saying the above direct quote. C'mon JD let's keep playing your stupid and intellectually dishonest games. Isn't this better than having an honest debate with facts?
Forget Tannehill for a moment. We all watched Dan Marino. In 1988, we had the 17th ranked Offense. That offense wasn't good. Did Marino suck in his prime? Completely agree with the 2nd sentence.
Folks, we're talking about two games here....and we won one of them. The sky is not falling. The offense does not suck. We have a tough travel schedule with limited practices for a new team and it takes a little bit to form chemistry. Regardless of what Gase said or didn't say, this team will be okay in the long run.
In 1988 performance-wise he most certainly had a down season amidst what was considered his prime years.
Actually, this is a good example of why some stats matter more than others. Here are Marino's stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm Note that by both total passing yards and passing yards per game 1988 was Marino's 4th best season, but by passer rating it was his 5th worst, and by TD:INT ratio it was his 3rd worst. PR and TD:INT ratio are more highly correlated with win% and with total points scored than volume stats like passing yards.
Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not by ignoring the question and reframing the conversation. It's fine. Let's hope for better games against the Saints and Titans.
Ike Taylor promises Cutler will throw four touchdown passes against the Saints. This is the Ike Taylor who ended Pat White. So you know he means it. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...m-newton-downs-patriots-jay-cutlers-brilliant
That's a weird way to look at it. Marino was elite his first 3 seasons, then he had a mediocre year in 88. T-hill on the other hand has been mediocre his entire career. And gase was refering to the last two years in which tannehill was the QB, he is definitely included in that assesment.
No, it isn't. Tannehill pre-Gase had nothing to do Gase's assessment, nor the point I was making about building unity.
Again, how do you know? He might be, he might not be. However, you express your opinion that he is, which happens, of course, to line up with your overall opinion of Tannehill already. Again, Gase could say the offense has been garbage, without meaning done individual players have been garbage. I asked earlier, but got no answer, do you think Tannehill was "garbage" last season? What about Ajayi, was he "garbage"? That's two players on the offense.
He had around 3 garbage games 3 hells yea games and the rest hovered between average and below average.
I don't know, bro. We make assumptions on the type of offense someone wants to run. As I previously mentioned, if it comes down to it, most of what people can say is; "he wants a fast tempo offense", that's pretty much it. Does anyone want a slow, plodding, lethargic offense? .... or it can be more specific with stuff like: "He likes a fast tempo offense with a good mix of run and pass. He likes to set up the pass with a strong run game. He likes to use the slot guys and short stuff, but he also like to be aggressive and go deep', etc, etc, etc. Ha Ha! On Gase's part, as some are making it out to be, it would smell a lot like excuse making, cop-outs and ego. The team isn't playing well enough, so it's: "This isn't the offense I want to run". Oh c'mon. Going into this, he knew most of the core players he would have. He knew Tanny would be his QB. He knew of his skillset, etc, etc. If the assumptions are correct that Gase feels he can't run his offense correctly with these players, especially the QB, then I'd tell him; man-up. dude. It could partially be your failure to properly coach them up and install your O, etc. Going in, he knew what he had in Tanny. He was very complimentary of Tanne last year. Oh, he means he doesn't have Dan Marino as his QB? Damn. You know, learn to properly install your mythical offense and coach 'em up to run it correctly. Now, I'm not saying this is what Gase is thinking. I don't know. There's a lot off assumptions of the details being made here. They could be correct, but if correct, it wouldn't bode well for the team or for Gase. jmo.
The fact that nobody knows who's right in the above debate suggests that both sides are "right," and the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Tannehill wasn't "garbage" himself (he was average to slightly above-average), but there were things about his game that prevented Gase from running the offense he'd prefer, and that for Gase meant offensive "garbage" by comparison. The larger problem is that Gase may need one of the league's best QBs to run his offense, and if so, that's an unlikely prospect. He'd be better off running something that could be accomplished by a somewhat lesser QB, since those are far more prevalent.
Looking only at rating, he had three games below 80, 7 games above 90, and 3 games between 80 and 90. So, I don't find your assessment totally fair. Ran a 93 rating on the year. That's not "garbage."
If one uses a standard deviation from the average as the cutoff, meaningfully below average would be a passer rating of 78, and meaningfully above average would be a passer rating of 100. Anything in between wouldn't be meaningfully different from average.
Got to be careful here. There are two types of standard deviations when talking about passer rating. One type of standard deviation deals with the standard deviation across all games a single QB played. Another type deals with the standard deviation across the league of year-end passer ratings. And those two standard deviations are vastly different in magnitude! For example, you have Tannehill's career game record: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/ and you have all passer ratings for starting QB's in 2016: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/passing.htm Tannehill has a standard deviation across all games of 23.44 PR and across all games in 2016 of 22.75 PR, while the standard deviation across the league for year-end PR in 2016 is much lower at 11.06. That difference is typical for QB's. You're using 11 S.D. when you should be using 23 S.D. because we're talking about a single QB's game record and individual games. So if you want to use 1 S.D. as your cut-off, then for Tannehill in 2016 the cut-offs are at 87.6 - 23 = 64.6 and 87.6 + 23 = 110.6 (87.6 is league average in 2016).
I chose the league norm on purpose because it seemed as if the person I quoted was basing "garbage" (or the lack thereof) on it.
He didn't have a garbage year as why. The formula I laid out didn't suggest that. Rating? Na. I was at the Bengals game where he looked as lost as ever, and he had a 100 rating at the half. I can tell you his good games and bad games (from my POV) to this day w/o referencing the rating. I didn't nor wouldn't suggest anyone insinuated Ryan had a "garbage year" but I 110% believe Adam's sour taste of the offense didn't exclude any QB we have had starting here in his tenure.
We need to trade for a young, promising backup QB. Cutler is just lost and Matt Moore isn't an answer long term.
Tannehill had a pretty poor start to the season last year.. I'm going to give Cutler until week 6 before making a verdict but, based on these 3 games, Tannehill >> Cutler.
Right now it's looking like we got the Jay Cutler from last year instead of the Jay Cutler over most of his career. Last year Cutler was a below average QB with an occasional good game instead of the average to slightly above average QB he has generally been over his career. Worst stat: this will be the first time a Jay Cutler led offense scored ZERO points! It's too bad really because our defense is playing well enough to win a bunch of games.
Anyone catch the maximum effort by J-Cutty on the Wildcat play? Hands on his hips not giving AF. Basically a microcosm of his career. #TheCutlerExperience
Thar was a stupid play call. I would have done the same thing if I was cutler. There was nothing he could have added to that play.
So if you hate a play you should trot out there and lazily stand there with your hands on your hips? What kind of BS response is that? When Tanny lined up wide he took a receivers stance. At least he TRIED to sell it.
Tannehill actually caught a pass a couple of years ago. Say what you want about T'Hill, but the guy is a warrior.
