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Some will disagree, but it's all about Jay

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MrPhinn, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. MrPhinn

    MrPhinn Active Member

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    He instills no leadership. If she acted like he gave a s**t, the rest of the offense would come alive. He has an attitude problem and a foul disposition. I know some think it's Gase's play calling, but you can't pick a play that Cutler can even execute.

    If I were a WR, why would I care about running routes and getting the ball. I think Cutler had 99yds passing going into the 4th quarter?

    If I'm on the OL, why put a effort in to block for a fool who's not gonna throw it down field anyway.

    The team won't care if they have no leader on the field. They play like they're lethargic. This fool needs to be benched.
     
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  2. Miami_Dolfan

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    I wanna see passion and emotion from him....need more effort for a guy getting 10 mil.
     
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  3. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Not quite. Cutler finished with 92 passing yards on the day. 59 of those yards were in the 4th, along with the Landry TD.

    He missed a TD to Grant in the 1st and only completed 12 of 26 passes on the day.

    His best play apart from the TD was the 8 yard run. Had to look twice to make sure it was him doing something positive.
     
  4. cbrad

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    He's also slow.. meaning decision-making. So many balls are thrown at target but get there too late, allowing the defender to more easily make a play.
     
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  5. tirty8

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    Are you being serious? Why would any offensive lineman care at all about who their QB in terms of how much effort they put in? If you have Tom Brady or Larry the Cable Guy behind center, you put in 100% effort. Why? Because these guys are professionals. It is their job to fill their blocking assignments. These professionals are forever trying to get that next contract or maximize the value of their current contracts. The same goes for the WRs.

    When their contract is up or final rosters are coming in, teams look at the tape that they have on these guys. No agent is going to say, "Yeah, he gave up six sacks this years, but it's not his fault. Jay Cutler was a poor leader, so my client didn't really try." And you certainly wouldn't see a team look at that player, and be like, "Oh, that's cool. We get it. You block for the guys that you like, and you don't do your job if you have a difficult personality that you have to work with."

    Let's face it. The poor blocking is the result of bad offensive lineman. The receivers drops are on them. It is laughable to blame one player's failure on another.
     
  6. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Arent we so tired of this..... maybe your new to the NFL, maybe you only pay attention to what happens in Miami. But *****ing about your Interpretations of Jays expressions is the biggest waste of time.... like Eli, he barely smiles, etc. Get over it and judge people based on your knowledge of football and stop playing Dr. Phil.
     
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  7. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Cutler sucks.
     
  8. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    Last minute backup sucks. Revelation for some dolphins fans. Thought it was 30 yr old Peyton,damn.....
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I read on another site that supposedly at some point during Sundays' game Landry exploded on the sideline and basically gestured that Moore needed to get his arse out there.

    I said it the day Cutler was brought to Miami - from a locker room perspective Gase's insistence and butt love for J-Cutty sent bad messages. We've known for a long time that MM8's teammates love him and have considered him a true leader, which you don't see often when it's the backup QB. The moment Tanny went down Gase basically pulled a "dooooooooon't care" to Moore and brought in this washed up bum for hire. Notice how it's not a subject that he will even allow to be addressed.

    Eventually the cracks in the dike will turn into gushing holes. You're already seeing it from the fans. The size of Gase's ego is alarming and he's never going to admit to mistakes. Remember this is the same dude who brought Chris Foerster here and another no-effort washed up has been like Julius Thomas.

    The play of this offense mirrors the guy in the huddle running it. A man who had to be coaxed by his wife to play this year and someone who clearly isn't out there to take hits. He's got nothing tangibly vested other than to make sure he doesn't end up on a stretcher.
     
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  10. Vertical Limit

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    You guys overstate that salary way too much. Did you know kaepernick made 20 million last season?

    10 mill is not in the top 20 in terms of salary for starting quarterbacks. Hell i dont think its in the top 25
     
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  11. hitman8

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    Yes, people overanalyze everything cutler does or doesnt do in terms of expression and body language. He js just a laid back guy with an aloof personality. It doesnt mean he is not playing hard he goes out there and runs for yarss puts his body on the line and fights for every yard. I havent even seen him slide to avoid the hit on any of his scrambles he goes for it like a warrior.
     
  12. brandon27

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    Most fans are clueless anyways.

    He admitted it many time last year actually. And pretty much has this year too in saying they've scaled back the offense, etc, etc. That signals acknowledging of a mistake if you're scaling things back to try and make it work because you were wrong in thinking they could handle it with Cutler coming in...

    But... carry on. I suppose it all ties back into the first statement anyways.
     
  13. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    That's not admission - he had no choice but to scale back the offense to manage Cutler and limit his exposure, which is the same thing that happened in Chicago. Except it's not the same live arm back there and the QB has no skin in the game with this franchise.
     
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  14. Fin-O

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    I think part of the reason he had to scale back in both instances, is the OL is not allowing the time for anything to develop.
     
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  15. resnor

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    Really.
     
  16. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Well sure, calling long developing plays is pointless. You have to cut some of that out of your game plan if you can't block it.
     
  17. KeyFin

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    Exactly- what else can you do with an out of shape QB that doesn't know the offense and has zero chemistry with the line, the receivers, etc? Gase is doing the only thing he can do- plain vanilla offense with short passes and simple reads.

    It really pisses me off when folks make blanket statements when they have no knowledge of football. For instance- the line sucks...we've heard that a lot lately. Yet if you watch tape, see a lineman riding his block along the perimeter of the pocket (AKA- exactly what he's supposed to do) and then Cutler stepping right into the defender as he suddenly decides to backpedal at a weird angle. It becomes blatantly obvious that it's not a line problem or a QB problem, it's a team problem in communication because the QB is old, slow, out of shape and not in sync. But some folks just want to rant and that's all we hear.

    Right now, Matt Moore is the only viable answer. Maybe that changes in 3-6 weeks, but our schedule is about to turn brutal and we need to get this crap worked out immediately.
     
  18. Fin-O

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    Say what you want. The OL isn't blocking well. For either Jay.
     
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  19. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    he didn't miss a TD to grant, grant dropped the ball bc grant can't catch. #19 is fitting for grant, except ginn jr was actually better.
     
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  20. KeyFin

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    What was the play? I was at a funeral at kickoff and my Direct TV screwed up the recording (we were in the hurricane remnants during game time with tornadoes everywhere). I missed big chunks of the 1st quarter- was it a deep pass? Was it close to a completion?
     
  21. Clark Kent

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    IRRC, that incompletion wasn't on Cutler. Grant ran a post and Grant got 2 hands on it, got hit by a defender, and dropped a catchable TD. It may have been slightly high (I seem to recall the announcers mentioning the height difference between Parker and Grant) but it wasn't a bad throw. Should of been caught.
     
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  22. hitman8

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    I think it was about a 20 yard post route to the right side which would have been a TD had grant caught it. There was a defender close but he was open and he got both hands on it but just dropped it. It was a good throw, it did have some mustard on it and it was a tad high for grant but still very catchable. If it was any regular sized reciever it would have hit him right on the numbers.
     
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  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Oh, it's not that I disagree...
     
  24. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The other site is wrong.
     
  25. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Winner...winner...chicken dinner.
     
  26. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Dude, of course some of the time one or two o-lineman do their job. However, 95% of the time one or more don't. This isn't conducive for Ajayi, Cutler, or the WR's. It all starts up front. That's the biggest cliché in football, but it's also the biggest truth. MAYBE Rodgers could do something with this offense, but he's about the only one.
     
  27. Phins_to_Win

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    If our WR don't play hard because of the current QB then every one of them needs to be cut and we need to rebuild the unit. If our O-line isn't blocking cause they don't like the guy they are blocking for, then they need to be cut and blacklisted from ever playing in the NFL again.

    The offense is lost, and Jay is probably a bigger part of this then any other single individual, but the way out of this is for each of them to do their job and make a positive play. If each member of that offense isn't striving for that, then they don't belong on that field.
     
  28. resnor

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    I'd argue its the single biggest reason, and its not even close.

    I was criticized for pointing this out last season.
     
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  29. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Not by me brother! lol
     
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  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Nope, not by you. Hahaha

    Its funny watching the revisionist posts by certain posters over the years.
     
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  31. Fin-O

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    I can't believe I still have to explain this.

    My take is and has always been, our QB is in an obvious bad situation...however isn't playing well either.

    Not once did I ever blame RT for our offense struggling, I just didn't excuse him from blame or portray him as a victim.

    Take a picture write it down and do what you Gotta do to keep the facts straight.
     
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  32. Fame

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    I'm always reminded of the stupidity of the average fan whenever a QB is blamed for not being able to "make plays" behind an offensive line that allows rushers through in under 2 seconds. Must be the QBs fault that said line can't open any holes in the running game either.
     
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  33. resnor

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    Given how our offense looks without Tannehill, one would think you might revise your assessment of how he was playing.
     
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  34. Fin-O

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    How he was playing the second half of the season. He didn't play as bad as J is now, The first five games of last year but he sure didn't play good either.
     
  35. cuchulainn

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    Totally untrue. In fact, Grant was dynamite in the pre-season when David Fales was dropping dimes to him. Go re-watch the Vikes game.

    As for this play, Grant had a clean release off the LOS with no one near him from about the 15 to the 6 yard line. The pass pro was solid and Jay had plenty of time to deliver. Instead of hitting Grant in stride before the 6 yard line, Cutler lobbed a ball over Grant's head into the EZ. Grant had to jump for the ball and snag it with his fingertips to slow it, then attempt to catch it. As the ball was so late, the 2 DBs, Adoree Jackson and De'norris Searcy had time to close.

    What's Cutler waiting on? Grant should have already been throw to. He continues down to the 5 before the overthrown ball is delivered.

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    Here you can see the 5-6" Grant attempting to jump up for the poorly placed ball:
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    And here you can see just how over his head this pass was:
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    Cutler is lucky that pass wasn't INT'ed. Adoree Jackson had 2 chances for it - while it was in the air and after Grant attempted to knock it down.
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    That pass was perfect for Parker and Stills and Landry probably make that catch. But this is systemic of what we're seeing from Cutler - late, off-target throws, forcing his WRs to make much more difficult catches than they should be.

    That said, there were 2 other throws that Landry and Stills should have made.

    Cheers.
     
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  36. cuchulainn

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    See the post above.
     
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  37. Fame

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    So now it's Cutler's fault that Grant is 5'6? You're so willing to cast blame on the QB that you're assigning fault to Cutler for Grant being too short to make a normal catch.

    You're just looking for anything to support an incorrect narrative simply because you want it to be true. I'm assuming you think Matt Moore would have placed that ball exactly where a 5'6 receiver did not have to reach at all for it.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is not like Grant became 5'6" during the play. So, yes, it is Cutler's fault.
     
  39. danmarino

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    Grant looks like he's about 2" off of the ground when the ball skimmed his fingertips. You can also see that the LB'er is in the passing lane. If Cutler had thrown it lower it may have been hit and if Cutler tried to put too much of an arch on it, it may have been intercepted due to the ball getting there later.

    It was a difficult throw and a difficult catch (especially when you consider Grant's height). However, why didn't Grant jump higher?

    Also, Cutler threw the ball when Grant was between the 10-15 yard line. You can see he's in the back half of his wind up when Grant in on the 16.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    I agree....some think that NFL passes can be laser-guided perfection with the perfect arc, velocity and distance 100% of the time. It was a good throw and a good catch attempt. It's not like he could have flicked his wrist a certain way to compensate for a 5' 6" player with two defenders in the area.

    Could the throw have been better??? Yes. Was it a bad throw??? No.
     
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