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Thoughts on Raiders Dolphins Game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Good Lord....did that game really just happen? Did Reshad Jones really try to tackle a defender on the sideline, have his helmet violently ripped off, and then get a 15 yard "defenseless receiver" penalty? And on the very next play, did the receiver really grab Howard 20 yards down field with both hands, right in front of the ref, and then earn a PI call for his team?

    Two plays, two ridiculous calls and 74 yards later...this was the worst officiating I've ever seen in an NFL game.

    Parker catches an amazing pass down the sidelines? No catch. The Raiders receiver scoops the ball off the ground two minutes earlier? Definite catch. Suh gets grabbed by both shoulder pads as Lynch cuts past him at the goal line? No hold. Every play Miami had over 15 yards? Holding, ten yard penalty, repeat 1st down. It was literally the Twilight Zone tonight where the Raiders could do no wrong.

    I learned long ago that it's senseless to complain about bad calls- even ones where your players get their heads ripped off and then somehow get flagged for it. But tonight was on an entirely different level of crazy....we had 8 drives killed by penalties that were either minor or non-existent. And the few times Oakland did get a flag, it took Suh getting in the head linesman's face saying, "We did not decline that rare penalty...it's rarer than a rainbow unicorn as it is. Please march their asses back 10 yards out of field goal range."

    Suh played a monster of a game tonight- that strip sack could possibly be the play of the year on defense. But it's what happened afterwards, him getting back up and chasing down the play to be involved in the 2nd strip sack.....Suh is a freak of nature. Nobody can say that he doesn't give everything he has for four quarters- he darn near won that rigged game single-handedly.

    In fact, the defense looked pretty solid all night long, not counting the 14 points that were handed to the Raiders off of phantom penalties. It was just one of those nights folks.

    The stat of the game to me- Cutler was hit twice tonight. Our right tackle played like a true stud shutting down the defensive player of the year Khalil Mack completely...it was a heck of an effort that most people will completely overlook. Cutler stayed upright though and silently had one hell of a night in-between penalties...it was probably his best showing as a Dolphin. It's a shame he didn't get many opportunities to launch the deep ball because our team was moving the ball at will for most of the night.

    Now let's talk about Williams and Drake. Williams looked so at ease staying in to block and then releasing for the easy dump off pass....and every single time was for easy positive yardage. Four yards here, eight yards there, it was effortless. Both RB's looked good running the ball as well (besides the Drake fumble) because they were hitting holes and taking what was there....even if it was only for a few yards.

    I saw where others are screaming about Ajayi today and guess what- he had zero yards on his last 15 carries in Miami. Drake and Williams were stopped behind the line twice the entire game. Coincidence? Nope...they just did what Gase told them to and hit the open holes. That's what they're paid to do and it kept the offense in good situations tonight...until the refs said otherwise, that is.

    Parker and Landry looked sharp tonight as well, although I saw at least 3 plays where PI wasn't called on them. That play where Collinsworth said that the defender timed his hit perfectly when Cutler threw a bullet to Parker at the sticks? The ball was still 3 or 4 yards away when initial contact was made. We just couldn't buy a call tonight....we know because Suh tried.

    Although we lost tonight Dol-fans, this is a game to keep your heads up about. Yeah, 5 and 3 would have been a heck of a lot better than 4-4, but our team competed all four quarters tonight and should have stole that victory. It all comes back to the difference of the Raiders punting from their own side of the field with 5 minutes left to back-to-back unbelievable calls for 70+ yards....our team is not good enough to overcome that level of screwing by the officials.

    Maybe it was payback for the Alonzo hit last week...the NFL didn't act like it with a tiny 11k fine but darn, they really laid it on us tonight.

    I thought Gase called a really smart game to keep Cutler clean and I think Cutler/Williams will become quite the weapon in the weeks to come- it's a dynamic we haven't had in quite some time. I saw nothing but good tonight from our young team despite what the scoreboard said, so I'm just moving on with a smile on my face. **** those ****ing refs for that travesty of a game.
     
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  2. muskrat21

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    my thoughts: threw away a win. bad penalties/refs handed oak the game. wtf was the roughing call on Jones, the WR was still inbounds. holding penetalites and the tickytac illegal formation. if not for those penalties, we'd prob win. percent i missed ajayi 0%
     
  3. cbrad

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    I don't think we win even without those bad calls. The offense had more than enough chances to win the game late and couldn't perform when opportunity presented itself.

    Consider: score is 20-16 in the 3rd quarter, the defense gets a crucial fumble and gives the offense the ball near midfield (Mia 48 yard line) and the offense does what?? 3 and out (technically 4 and out because of a penalty)! Then the defense once again stops the Raiders by forcing their own 3 and out, giving the offense the ball near midfield (Mia 45 yard line) and the offense does what?? Another 3 and out! LOL

    The next drive is the Raiders' drive with the bad penalty call. What did Miami's offense ever do to make it seem likely we'd get a TD when needed without that bad call? We had 3 straight "3 and outs" and then 1 drive where we gave up the ball on downs before that last TD. And the Raiders weren't as concerned as before (when it was 20-16) about giving up a TD and 2 point conversion once they went up 27-16 with only 2:20 left in the game. So I don't see that last TD we got as a "given" if the refs don't call a bad penalty.

    Can't blame this one on the refs. Offense just couldn't perform when needed.
     
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  4. dirtylandry

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    well at least the offense showed life. Now the defense is struggling. No pass rush. This team lacks talent on both sides of the line
     
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  5. Brasfin

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    This loss boils down to two plays:

    1) The Drake fumble deep in Raiders territory in the 2nd quarter.
    2) The Landry hold that wiped out that huge Williams run in the 4th quarter.

    If either of those plays go our way we likely win. Hopefully Drake learns from his mistake going forward. That second one is the most frustrating to me because it seemed Landry's defender was grabbing his facemask also. We had just gotten near the redzone... if that play had held up we'd probably get at least a FG out of that drive, instead we punted.
     
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  6. brandon27

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    While I agree, I think you also have to factor in the defense at the end of the 2nd quarter? What the hell were they doing? How, or I guess why does the home clock operator, react that quickly to leave a second on the clock? I mean, even Collinsworth and Michaels were shocked that somehow, there was a second on the clock. I'd love to see that play again, but there really seemed to be an awfully quick stoppage there.

    But while those two plays you've mentioned were clearly huge hits on us, but I think the plays that really hurt us were at the end of hte second half, and at the end of the game. That call on Jones? Pure BS. There's no other way to describe that one. Some have said Howard shouldnt have been flagged, but I'm not as angry with that one, I'd have to see it again.

    Either way, we made enough mistakes on our own, but when there were plays we didn't, the officials seemed to try really hard to find some.

    Another good example... in the first half, the Raiders DL who rightfully gets flagged for unnecessary roughness for going after one of our guys after being blocked out of the play, then gets up, shoves, and throws two punches are the Miami OL that manhandled him. He's given the penalty, rightfully so, but is allowed to stay in the game after throwing two punches? I mean... come on. Not that I'm saying this is a game changer or anything like that, but it just really goes to show the inconsistency, and how incompetent these officials are. Also, look no further than some of the highlights from some of the other games this weekend where "fights" broke out. Officiating is just in an awful state across the league right now. You should expect differences from crew to crew, no doubt, but the gap in consistency between them, and from game to game with even the same crews, is pretty large. It's a shame.
     
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  7. CanGasePlaybook

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    Play calling and clock management still looks like ****. Gase is balless! 3rd and long draw play when Cutler and Parker are hot...WTF! 2 mins left in the half with 3 time outs and Gase is playing for a damn field goal. That crap is a joke. Reminds me of Tony S. We should have won this one.
     
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  8. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely agree that the officiating played its part in the outcome, though I'm not sure we would've stopped the Raiders even if they had not called that Jones penalty. It's even possible that the penalty actually helped us in the long run since they scored quicker and gave us more time to score later on.
     
  9. dolphin25

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    We might be only team in NFL that uses play action to throw a 2 yard screen to the RB.
     
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  10. dirtylandry

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    so who replaces him if you want him fired?
    I think you have to have a qb and a line to fully eval him. They were kind of rolling until the AZ game last year
     
  11. bigballa2102

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    ' I agree I cant put my finger on it but the stat heads out there can I get a stat on how many passes went 10 yards or more in the air? If the raiders had their 2 starting corners this game would have been different all around.

    The problem with Miami D is that everyone knows we don't blitz and when we do its jones off the end. Suh is constantly double teamed and last night wake was constantly chipped (great coaching) nothing those guys can do with that happening so why not help them out and send Alanzo, or someone through the A gap. The zone defense is so suspect its not even funny I cant believe all night Cook was wide open all night 9 targets 8 catches for 126 is unreal for him lol if Crabtree or cooper don't get pizza fingers and drop 2 passes this could have gotten outta hand. Ajayi was not the problem the running game showed the saem it did with him we still managed our measly 80 yards a game on the ground. cutler cant throw the ball down the field, and I have no idea why he is falling away on his throws and gase has to see this its getting apparent the guy is trying to make his money and not get hurt he doesn't step into throws he throws it to the first option every time no matter what. im trying to find a video of it when he hit landry across the middle he had still doing a post route in the middle as well about 15 yards farther down field buck naked open and didn't see him. Im tired of GAse hat can someone run by and knock it off!!
     
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  12. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    another thing is, is if you look at the stats that game was so even its scary, and we got an onside lol I just don't think this team has it, I don't know what "it" is but its very painful to watch.
     
  13. gilv13

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    I'm more frustrated that we had the ball midfield twice and failed to do anything with it. Even a field goal in those situations would have helped us out in the long run.
     
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  14. Fin D

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    Are we really acting like the oline wasn't night and day better this game?
     
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  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I hope the Gase haters realize, he backed up what he said about the problem with the offense.
     
  16. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    I actually lol'd when Cutler started yelling at Landry when he lined up wrong.

    Then I got sad because I realized our QB had to yell at our star WR because he lined up wrong.
     
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  17. adamprez2003

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    I thought letting the raiders kick a fg at the end of the first half would come back to haunt us and it did. They got the ball with 45 seconds. They never should have been able to score
     
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  18. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    We just suck on nationally televised games. Were pretty good when it's local
     
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  19. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Which is why non-fans constantly think we suck worse than we really do. Not saying we are a good team, but national perception is almost always below our true level.
     
  20. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    In all honesty I thought both team sucked last night, nothing much to run home about. both teams will miss the playoffs I had higher hopes for both teams but the fact we cant win a game against another crappy team ended our season lol
     
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  21. Alan in England

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    looking at the remaining schedule, I can see the season crumbling to 4-12.If we end up that bad , Gase should go. Couldn't believe the run play on 3rd and 22 last night. I could have called it better than that
     
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  22. bigballa2102

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    Ya its looking more and more grimm, tamp might be the only game we have a chance. and that's embarrassing
     
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  23. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Three players still insist on taking a knee . More bad calls one way and you don't see the correlation?
     
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  24. Phin McCool

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    Conversely, I went to bed immediately after we had a 3rd & 2 and had no one in the backfield. Whoever is calling these plays, whether it's Gase, Christensen or whoever, they should just go now - from football not just the Dolphins.
     
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  25. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I had a stat in some thread a couple of days ago about how Gase is number one in the league at calling passing plays on 3rd and 1. It’s him.
     
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  26. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    We have no run game. We had 80 yards and 0 rushing TDs between two rushers against the 27th ranked rushing defense. How exactly did getting rid of Ajayi vindicate Gase?
     
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  27. bigballa2102

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    there have been countless time on 2nd and 3-5 he runs the ball everytime, I just don't understand how it takes us 9 minutes to go 17 yards its annoying he runs when it should be a pass and passes when it should be run. its annoying I agree he's just so remedial in his play calling trying to re-invent the wheel and its not working
     
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  28. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I didn't even think of that- that's a genuine conspiracy theory if I ever heard one. It could have easily been a few refs saying, "The heck with these guys...let's show them what we think about kneeling."

    That receiver should have been ejected for that play on Jones...we're lucky Reshad isn't in the hospital right now. It's inconceivable how they could have called a flag on Miami there- and then the PI with the receiver clearly grabbing Howard and holding him right in front of the official on the very next play. As I said earlier, that's the worst officiating I've ever seen in this league in any game...you can't get much more rigged.
     
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  29. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Correction: the Jags were the most pass happy on 3rd and 1 at 59.1% and we were second at 58.8%

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...fls-most-least-balanced-offensive-playcallers

    Makes me wonder if he had a philosophical discussion with the Seahawks during that SB they lost.
     
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  30. invid

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    Because they contributed 12 catches on 12 targets for 82 yards and a TD in the passing game?
     
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    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's because he never knew if Ajayi would hit the hole or try to run outside looking for daylight. And that's exactly the reason why Williams was getting all the red-zone carries this season, which pissed Ajayi off to no end. But when you have a selfish, me-first player who doesn't listen to the coach, the better option is just throwing it on 3rd and 1 to give your team a chance.

    Ajayi is talented as hell, but he was also a cancer. I don't see how you casually say, "Oh, we only ran for 80 yards...." when Ajayi had zero yards on his last 15 in Miami and he was averaging 2.3 yards on the season. Suddenly Drake, a much inferior player, averages 8.0 yards per carry and that doesn't raise any eyebrows? Dumping Ajayi was a smart move.
     
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  32. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He was, according to that article, the most balanced playcaller on 3rd and 1 too. I'm sure we would have slanted towards running more if we had a more capable interior.
     
  33. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    So why don’t we just forget about RBs altogether and run all WR sets all the time? If we can’t do better than 80 yards and 0 TDs between two RBs against the 27th ranked rushing defense, we have major problems, and getting rid of Ajayi didn’t help.
     
  34. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Being the most balanced and the most pass happy isn’t a good thing. There’s a reason teams are supposed to be extremely ground oriented on 3rd and 1.
     
  35. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, because they trust their offensive line and tailback.
     
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    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How many points did we score last week?
     
  37. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Drake averaged 7.7 YPC, Williams 2 YPC. Your confirmation bias is unbelievable. Giving extra YPC, not realizing Oakland’s rushing defense was ranked 27th, focusing on 15 carries, not realizing Ajayi faced stacked boxes every game, etc.

    Ajayi averaged 9.625 YPC in a committee and had a rushing TD against DENVER, the 6th ranked rushing defense in the league.
     
  38. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    24 points against the 28th ranked defense.

    The narrative on this site, all of a sudden, is our running game is better without Ajayi. It’s not. We can’t run the ball, not even against one of the worst defenses.
     
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  39. finsfandan

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    We’re talking about last year. We had a Pro Bowl RB that was #1 in the league against stacked boxes and in yards after contact. Why be cute on 3rd and 1?
     
  40. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Ajayi carried the ball five times- on four he went nowhere. If you want to talk about bias, you're basing all this arguing on one run where Ajayi didn't get touched for 75 yards. That means ANY RB in the league would have been guaranteed the first 75 yards thanks to Philly's blocking, but somehow that proves Gase was wrong? You're delusional, my friend.
     
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