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Thoughts on Raiders Dolphins Game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Teams knew Jay Ajayi could run, it barely made a difference this year.
     
  2. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree. He doesn't seem to have the vision to be a reliable, full time RB. He looks like a totally different player catching the ball though.
     
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  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    You don't understand what you posted, huh? You just looked at the bolded words and took it at face value.

    Hilarious!

    Now, let's look at the entire picture. Hell, I'll even highlight the important parts to make it easier on you.


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    The Dolphins are the most balanced on 3rd and 1.
     
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  4. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Because they had nothing else to worry about.
     
  5. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    How are you not banned? You’re always name calling and insulting people.

    Teams are supposed to be heavily ground oriented on 3rd and 1 for good reason. It’s not mutually exclusive that you can be the 2nd most pass happy team AND the most balanced.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    What name did I call you? Stop whining.

    They're "supposed" to be heavily ground oriented? Bwhahahah!! Please tell me who wrote this rule that you believe in.

    Not mutually exclusive, but you trying to leave out some important information in order to whine makes your post worthless.
     
  7. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You’re baiting and trolling. It’s pretty obvious. Also, you called shamegame13 (or whatever his username is) an illiterate dolt. It’s okay, I’ll just keep reporting every time you troll or insult anybody.
     
  8. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    LOL! Are you crying?

    Me proving you incorrect is not baiting or trolling.
     
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  9. bigballa2102

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    can you find the stat of Miami running the ball on third and longs 5+? how about 2nd and 5 or less?
     
  10. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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  11. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dan, where'd you get those splits?
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    nflgsis.com
     
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  13. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Here's an easier way to look at those stats:

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  14. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    After looking at these stats it seems as if the whole "they always run on 3rd and long" is wrong.

    3rd and >5 yards: 6 rushes and 52 passes
     
  15. dolphin25

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    but a screen on 3rd and long is kinda like a run... at least the way we run screens.
     
  16. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'm wondering if that's been overblown too though
     
  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    They also run a lot more on 1st down than I thought:

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  18. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A screen on 3rd and long is the right call if the defense is pinning their ears back and blitzing. It would be interesting to see that stat. The players have to execute the damn play, a screen pass shouldn't be a low-percentage play. Players gotta dew their jabs.
     
  19. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I cannot recall a single time where we attempted a first down pass of anything over 3rd and 13.
     
  20. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "#Dolphins Kenyan Drake averaged 6.11 yards after contact in Week 9, second-best for all running backs #FinsUp" for those at work.
     
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  21. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You aren't wrong, that can definitely be a legitimate criticism, just looking at the splits and not the context of the game and play call. The stats don't explain how far we may have tried to throw the ball in that situation though, so we don't know for sure.
     
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  22. invid

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    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...e-miami-dolphins-vs-oakland-raiders-a-review/

    Ugh..
     
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  23. danmarino

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    Well hell, if you're going to take away a players best play then no one ever is very good. lol
     
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  24. The_Dark_Knight

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    That kind of goes to the point I was getting at regarding field conditions. I don't think anyone would argue against our defense's ability to put enormous pressure on opposing quarterbacks, either resulting in sacks or poorly timed throws that result in either incompletions or best case scenarios, interceptions. With the condition of the field this year however at Hard Rock Stadium, that pass rush has been almost nonexistent, giving quarterbacks time to sit back in the pocket and make clean throws.

    I'm not dismissing what you're saying, only that I believe what you are pointing out is a result of the field preventing our defensive linemen from getting that push off the LOS and putting pressure on the quarterback.
     
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  25. dolphin25

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    That could very well be and sounds logical. But, if you know that going in, don't you blitz or something?
     
  26. Dolphin North

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    My thoughts are that the line seemed to improve so our offense improved, even without our best runner. Still a long way to go though. They need to clean up the penalties for starters.
    Hate how our defense just imploded on that last critical drive with the game on the line. Great for earlier in the game but if you do that, what's the point? Time of possession has been pretty even the past couple of games so we can't blame fatigue. Refs hurt a bit maybe, but a great defense still clamps down at that point.
    Sorry, late to the conversation.
     
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  27. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're not wrong. We had a couple of offensive drives at midfield and a drive that we fumbled away that could have taken some stress off the defense at the end of that game. I'm sure you know that, though.
     
  28. KeyFin

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    Coming from a guy that said Ajayi's single 45 yard run proved everything you've been saying all along, it's pretty funny that you're telling us to ignore Drake's 42 yard run....or the two long gains he lost to holding calls.

    Didn't you say our line sucked? And didn't you say Philly's line is awesome? Wouldn't that mean Drake's run was more impressive than Ajayi's? Just some food for thought.
     
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  29. cbrad

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    Cutler's improved too. His recent play isn't just the line playing better because he's had decent protection in the past and was slow getting the ball to the receiver. Cutler's now on track to be exactly where he's been most of his career: average. His rating so far is 87.4 which puts him 18th among starting QB's and is currently the rating among starting QB's closest to the 2016 league average of 87.6 lol.

    This is good news because if we can score an average of 24 ppg like against Oakland from here on out (or even a bit less), we have a serious shot at 9-7 and a WC.
     
  30. KeyFin

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    I disagree as well....that drive was basically two penalties that brought them to the 3 yard line (unless I'm thinking of the wrong drive). That penalty on Reshad was so ridiculous that I almost turned the game off, and then you see the receiver running into and grabbing Howard on the very next play. It was almost like the refs told the Raiders, "Just do whatever you want and we'll give you a TD this drive."
     
  31. KeyFin

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    From the way the season is shaking out, I think the magic number will be 10 wins again....which means we will have to win 6 out of 8 from here on out.

    So let's say we sweep the Bills (not because I'm expecting it, but the math doesn't work if we don't). That's 6-4.
    We beat Carolina this week and Denver in 3 weeks. 8-4.
    We split with NE. 9-5
    We beat Tampa. 10-5
    We lose to the Chiefs. 10-6

    That looks doable IF we can sweep the Bills and topple Carolina...but that's a fairly big ask. Tampa and Denver are very winnable and we usually take the Pats game at home, so those 3 aren't too much of a stretch. But sweeping the Bills? They've been hot and cold this season at times so I guess it really depends on which team we face.

    In any case, this Carolina game is huge...it's the key to the post-season on our most probable path.
     
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    9-7 should work if we can sweep the Bills, otherwise 10-6 looks like it's necessary.

    Both teams have comparable remaining schedules: both play the Pats twice, we play each other twice, and we both play the Chiefs. Bills play Saints while we play the Panthers (both 6-win teams right now), and we both play 2 weaker opponents: Denver and Bucs for us, Chargers and Colts for them.

    So if we sweep them, we're basically tied and it comes down to conference record which we might win if we sweep them. And we're alone in 7th place right now so it would be us against them if we sweep.
     
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  33. SocaCasualuk

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    Man I love this optimism Key but cmon man..never gonna make the playoffs this year, heck I think we struggle to win another game if I’m honest.

    Much as I wanted to hope otherwise, the season was a write off when tanne went down, cemented further with the O line regression and ajayi trade.

    For me the rest of this season is about watching for progression from young players esp on defence, spoiling the bills play off hopes and hurting Brady, in no particular order.
     
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    Dude.. we're only 1 win away from a Wild Card right now. No reason to think the season is over. I'm more willing to agree with the prediction that our wins are likely to be "struggles" though. For some reason we have trouble blowing teams out.

    And I think it's precisely because our losses are often lopsided while our wins aren't that people miss the more important point of our W/L record. W/L is all that counts in the end and we're in decent shape there.
     
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  35. KeyFin

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    Sorry, my fault entirely....I forgot that you prefer fiction over logic, common sense or any of that ridiculous stuff.

    Ajayi running for 45 yards proves Gase is a bum, the franchise sucks and we are doomed for all eternity. Drake running for the same distance proves that blue Skittles can cure cancer and that the Easter Bunny is real.
     
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  36. KeyFin

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    I agree with you completely- this is the season that "could have been" if it wasn't for Tannehill's knee. But then the defense showed out and made a believer out of a lot of us anyway. If we can get the offense figured out and start scoring average amounts (in the 22-25 a game range) then this season looks a heck of a lot different moving forward.

    I'm not saying that's going to happen but what the heck...we have to root for something. So I'm hoping for 10-6 with another playoff birth and likely a quick exit. If our defense shows up though, who knows...weirder things have happened in the playoffs.
     
  37. Dolphin North

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    From what I remember, I believed the PI call in the end zone on Howard was a fair call. The call on the sideline on Jones was a joke though. Still, after that we allowed positive plays down the field at crunch time. I hated that as much as the ref on the sideline call.
     
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  38. Puka-head

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    Careful brah! Trying to mix hypocrisy and logic together in the same conversation can lead to recto-cranial inversion. Wouldn't want to be the cause of that would you?
     
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    I watched it four or five times- the receiver was running his route, Howard had perfect coverage one step ahead of him and the receiver grabbed Howard's jersey with both hands...this was before the ball was even released or right at that moment. There should have been a flag called right there for holding and the play would be dead after the pass was thrown. Instead though, the ref 3 feet away just stares at them, Howard grabs back and the receiver tries to break away since he knows that the ball is now in the air. That's when the ref tosses the flag...as the receiver releases and cuts while Howard still has his right hand on the jersey.

    Here's the kicker though- the pass landed out of bounds by about 3 feet. It was uncatchable and you can't have PI on an uncatchable ball. If you get to watch the replay, the ref was on the sideline at the one and the ball goes over his head...

    Usually I'd say, "Oh well, bad call against us..." This was the very next play after the travesty to Jones though. It really made me think that the refs did it intentionally...who knows though. Someone else mentioned that maybe it was over our players kneeling- I'd almost buy that with calls that bad back to back.

    There were so many other botched calls though- Landry hitting a guy in his side on a huge gain by Drake. We had so many holding penalties that killed drives and when you watched it back, it was real nit-picky stuff...things that usually don't get called. Think about this- on our four biggest gains of the night, three of them came back for holding.

    Then the miraculous timeout with one second left for the field goal...the ref stoppage right as we try the final on-side kick...there were a lot of WTF moments.
     
  40. hitman8

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    Meanwhile.... Ajayi had a 9.6 yd average in his first gane with philly.
     

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