http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/20/forbes_no_place_worse_to_be_a.html It's like a dollars to wins ratio for all the local pro teams, including the hapless Phins.
Thank goodness I only like the Dolphins. The Miami homers must hate life. Canes suck, Marlins suck, Panthers suck, Heat suck, and Dolphins suck. And most of them suck in an epic way. Not a good time for Miami.
The Marlins don't really suck, they are only a couple games out and have won two world series rings. The Canes are on the way back with the top recruiting class, and (THANKFULLY) a new QB.
honestly I have enjoyed spending my money at marlins games the last few years than at dolphins games.....i actually saw a few wins....
Whereas I remember thinking the opposite in like 2001. The Canes won the National Championship in football, the Canes baseball team was the National Champions as well, the basketball team was nationally ranked, the Marlins were climbing up for that 2003 WS title, the Panthers had just made the playoffs the year before and the Heat was a top NBA team....I thought this was the best sports town in America. How things can change
Exactly, don't understand why Gish, you say the Marlins suck, they have been over .500 all year, and pushing for a playoff spot. As for the main point of the article, I think it has effects on the sports teams, especially the Marlins and Panthers. The Cost of Living, along with the low pay scale, and the addition of the lack of high paying union jobs suppresses the income folks here in South Fla have to use on "games". Until something is done about bridging that economic gap, I think the Marlins and Panthers, will suffer at the gate, much more than the Heat and especially the Dolphins. If I were starting a franchise for any sport, So Fla would be the last place I would want to be. It just is a strain here to maintain 4 big league teams.
There are many factors that go into that equation, and Forbes tries to address one of them in this article.
This article was stupid. Who cares, its a cycle. Some cities will go through this every few years or so. Big deal.
all the article was doing was talking about the relevency of the situation. It makes no forcasts that this will be how it will be like this forever.
You know its troubling when griffey hits 600 in south florida and the seats are still very empty. But that happens its seems. The tide will turn for the florida teams, hopefully starting with the phins
that article is truly ******ed. but, it's from the same magazine that claimed Nick Saban was the most powerful coach in sports. oh brother. yeah, forbes magazine. because when i think of sports, i think of Forbes....
Sorry guy but you'll get no sympathy from me. To see a Pro game of any kind its 165 miles one way and 97 miles the other plus the tickets and a place to stay. I would be there as often as I could even if it was for a losing cause. I love the Fins and the U. I'd be there win or lose. Doesn't mean that I want them to lose but just to be able to see them play would mean alot to me.
Yeah so what? Its still a stupid article. You think i dont realize what im spending my money on? I dont need dumb forbes magazine to tell me that im not getting what i pay for. Its probably some Boston homer that wrote the darn thing anyway, which make me hate it even more.
Some great points, and while it is interesting to see where Miami ranks in terms of ROI for their fan dollar, it doesn't take the varying psychometrics into account. What I mean is that, purely from the business standpoint of analysing your customers in the sports entertainment business, the psychology of the fan group in question is very important. Some city's have fair-weather fans with casual interest in therir teams, and some, like Greenbay, breathe Packers football. I'd be interested to see how relevant performance really WAS to the fans of Miami. As ga pointed out, many fans are loyal enough that they are less affected by thwe winb/loss record than other types of fans. I would love to know where Miami fans ranked in terms of the psychometrics of 'fandom' and 'die hardness'. I know that Dolphins fans do not have a great rep outside of Miami. We are known as casual fans who often don't fill the stands.
Ignorance is bliss but perhaps you missed that there were 30,000+ in the stands that night. It doesn't matter what the crowd sizes are for the Marlins, the fact is they play in a football stadium and not one of these new 40,000 seat stadiums. Its going to look empty even when they have 39,000 like they did the other night for the Cubs game. What I thought was worse was last night, you have the Rays and Angels fighting it out for best record in all of baseball, in a domed stadium in St Pete, and less than 20,000 in the stands. Why no critizisim of Tampa and its "fans" ? Why is it only the Marlins that get the wrath of national publications ?
Texas, no matter what we "personally" think of The Great Satan, he IS the most powerful coach in American sports, certainly in football. He is the only one in the NCAA that doesn't have to report to anyone other than the University president & has such control over the program. The Athletic Director has zero control over his program, including the budget. It was one of the conditions of his scallawagging his way out of Miami.
Yet rarely do you see a Dolphins away game, even in NY, Buffalo or NE that doesn't have a crapload of DolFans in the stands......the national media just, for whatever reason, loves to put Miami & South Fla down.
I think "Most Powerful" is a misnomer and should be qualified. The accepted connotation has most people interpreting that as a man who has more influence in the sports world than any other figure. The reality is, Nick Saban has more control over his own domain than any other figure... but who cares? his influence *beyond* his domain is negligible compared to *truly* powerful figures. Such as Bill Parcells, for example. And I am sure there are evn more powerful figures in sports. Heck, Dick Ebersol is powerful and he is just in charge of broadcasting sports (Olympics, Football, etc)
But the "Most Powerful" article was not about "people" in sports but coaches ONLY. When you look at it that way, he is an ABSOLUTE MONARCH in his domain.....a modern day Emperor Napoléon.
