1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Believe in him, or not..better think twice.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

    15,361
    20,984
    113
    Sep 4, 2014
    Sorry..ligaments
     
  2. Seadog

    Seadog Active Member

    182
    103
    43
    Jan 13, 2017
    non-professional athletes
     
    dolphin25 likes this.
  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

    15,361
    20,984
    113
    Sep 4, 2014
    Sean Elliott
    Mickey Mantle
    Joe namath
    Thurman Thomas
    Roberto Garza
    John Elway
    Hines Ward


    These pro athletes tore ACL's either in high school, college, or early into their pro careers and never had it repaired.
     
  4. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

    6,338
    2,400
    113
    Nov 22, 2014
    true, we should strive for mediocracy
     
  5. Seadog

    Seadog Active Member

    182
    103
    43
    Jan 13, 2017
    I'm just reading what you referred to, it clearly said "non-professional athletes", I guess we can pretend it doesn't say that.
     
  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Never said that...he can have a very good to great career and still not be Don Shula. At this point...argue all you want..but as a HC he's 14-10...is that mediocre?
     
  7. cbrad

    cbrad .

    10,659
    12,657
    113
    Dec 21, 2014
    To be fair, that's because the idea of suggesting rehab instead of surgery is relatively recent so you don't have the studies done with professional athletes. That doesn't mean clinicians think the results of studies with non-professionals don't apply more generally.

    If there's a difference, it will likely be in the time it takes to rehab with that time being less for professionals. So the reported timelines for how long it on average takes to heal with surgery + rehab or with rehab only are probably different (shorter) for professionals because there's a difference between the two groups (pros vs. non-pros) in the rehab component.

    But the anatomy and physiology for non-professionals and professionals isn't fundamentally different lol.. so it's not surprising that Tannehill got advice from medical professionals suggesting rehab was a good option even if you don't have clinical trials with professional athletes.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2017
    danmarino and resnor like this.
  8. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
    I think you're reading my post as negative. It's not. So far I like Gase. However, I'd be lying if I said I've seen everything I need to see to know Gase is, or is going to be, a great coach. It's only his second season. This thing could still go either way. So I was just trying ask some honest questions and consider some honest truths. That's all.
     
  9. CanGasePlaybook

    CanGasePlaybook Active Member

    312
    150
    43
    Oct 27, 2017
    12 month recovery according to who? Sounds like a quack Dr to me. I have never seen a ACL take that long. Typically it is a 6 month recovery. Tannehill didn’t destroy his knee like Bridgewater. Tannehill should have opted for the Sx within a week of his injury. It’s a very common injury, approx 200k Sx per year in the US.

    We definitely need to pull a trigger on a rookie in the draft; if someone falls to us.
     
  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    Just any old rookie QB?
     
  11. CanGasePlaybook

    CanGasePlaybook Active Member

    312
    150
    43
    Oct 27, 2017
    I haven’t paid any attention to who is coming out this year. I usually don’t until it gets closer to the draft. It just seems like there are so many holes on this team.
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    Then your stance is absurd.
     
  13. CanGasePlaybook

    CanGasePlaybook Active Member

    312
    150
    43
    Oct 27, 2017
    How? That we should draft a QB? Your post are spoken like a true troll.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Steve young just gave Gase some national respect, saying he's done an excellent job keeping this years team in the mix, and that he's starting to see a culture develop here in Miami.
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    I don't think someone with your screen name should be calling anyone a troll. least of all a poster whose been here since the site started.

    But back to your absurd stance.....drafting just ANY QB is stupid and sure way to set the franchise back. It is literally what the Browns have done time and again.

    So fine, if pointing out that your stance is what the Browns have done to be the worst franchise in the NFL, makes me a troll, then so be it.
     
    danmarino likes this.
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    correction, the browns cant identify the right qb...they should be fired...Past on Goff...Wentz...Watson...Mahomes...Trubisky...just in the past two years..
     
  17. cbrad

    cbrad .

    10,659
    12,657
    113
    Dec 21, 2014
    and Prescott..

    The Browns better start winning or they're going to give analytics a bad reputation and make it harder for other teams to innovate using analytics. THEIR analytics (what they think the key performance metrics are) may be bad, but there are so many uncertainties in why a player succeeded on a given play (e.g. scheme, missed assignment, or just good play made, etc..) that there needs to be a lot of experimentation on the analytics side before you see some success.

    I still maintain that stats would be best used for improving play calling and are more or less meaningless for choosing schemes and really hard to apply to player selection (though not impossible). But play calling is where the innovation should be because that's where you have reams of data in different conditions that will show trends coaches might otherwise miss.
     
    djphinfan likes this.
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    You didn't correct my post, you agreed with it
     
    resnor and djphinfan like this.
  19. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

    4,052
    2,347
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    I’m not comparing Gase to Shula the OP did basically saying very similar situations same culture adjust he conparred him to Shula and said he could be like him I’m saying he’s not in the same day discusssion at this point
     
  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    yup....but they did draft Cody Kessler and Kevin hogan.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    agreed..keep analytics as a supplement in personnel not the final decision maker..not sure what their doing over there but its a joke.
     
    cbrad likes this.
  22. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    45,652
    19,304
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    It was the SAME ACL... yes, but different tear. He was healed, that was reported. Brace was for precautionary reasons. He had a partial tear, that healed. He tore the same ACL, but a different tear. It would have happened regardless.
     
    resnor likes this.
  23. cbrad

    cbrad .

    10,659
    12,657
    113
    Dec 21, 2014
    Most ACL tears don't completely heal on their own. It's precisely the reason why people opt for surgery and also why there's such interest in these stem cell treatments. So I seriously doubt you can produce a quote from a clinician that actually treated Tannehill saying the ACL was completely healed. Note that what Tannehill himself said or might have said isn't what I'm talking about.. people can feel fine even without "full" regeneration.

    Also.. you don't wear a brace if it's FULLY healed. A brace is for structural support.. as a precaution. So my best guess is that the initial sprain increased the risk of further injury regardless of whether rehab was successful or not. Again.. I'd need some kind of actual medical diagnosis claiming otherwise to believe what you're saying because what I'm describing (ACL not fully regenerating on its own) is generally considered the norm.
     
  24. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

    941
    556
    93
    Jul 26, 2016
    Do you enjoy being contrarian without having to submit your own thoughts? Easy to snipe people. Which QB should we take? I agree that a blindfold and a draft pick is not a way to pick a QB or any position but who SHOULD it be?
     
  25. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

    941
    556
    93
    Jul 26, 2016
    Well then he is just a magnificently unlucky bastard (outside of big paycheck and smoking hot wife) and should retire if he's that suddenly injur-able.
     
  26. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    I don't need to offer anything other than what I did. My point was valid and clear. You even agree with it.
     

Share This Page