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What it Means to be a Fins Fan

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I've bit my tongue all season as the traffic has ebbed and flowed throughout the site when the Dolphins did good or bad. Winning brings out the optimists that still dream of those 70's glory years while losing brings in all of those haters who second guess everything about the franchise. In the past ten weeks alone, we've heard-

    - Fire Gase
    - Fire Tannehill
    - Fire Tannenbaum
    - Fire Cutler, the entire line and the entire defense
    - Fire Landry AND/OR Give Landry a big, fat raise
    - Bench Ajayi AND/OR WTF, we traded Ajayi? Fire Gase for that!

    The complaints have been close to never ending as fans expect perfection from our team no matter what the odds. For instance, we just got stomped by a superior Carolina team that's currently peaking on the season. I'm sure not happy about it but at the same time- was it really a shocker? Anyone with an IQ over 50 should have expected a loss for the Fins in this one. Cam Newton looked amazing as he escaped pressure, ran for first downs and launched rockets....just like he's done to countless other teams when he's not hurt. It's why they were in the Super Bowl two years ago with a 15-1 record...the guy is amazing and he elevates everyone around him.

    Yet what happened when Newton was hurt last year? They were 4-5....exactly like we are today. Should the fans have demanded that they fire the coach, trade the QB, fire the GM etc. over last season? Or did it all work out okay?

    I'll be the first to admit that Cutler was a bad move- he's out of shape and does not inspire confidence within the huddle. Tannehill was the in-game translator between coaches and personnel so everyone knew exactly what they were doing, while Cutler simply calls a play and lets it rip. That's a huge adjustment for any offense with an in-shape, game ready QB and Cutler isn't either of those things. Add in the rib injury and it's a wonder how we scored at all this season. But then when you combine all the travel, the hurricane and all the other stuff that has eaten away critical practice days, and you get the 2017 Miami Dolphins.

    Then you look at the flip side of the equation- we started the season with a top 5 defense. Wake, Suh, Kiko and company have been playing shutdown football DESPITE a huge time of possession challenge throughout the season. Our boys showed up and played great though, keeping the season's dreams alive, even though we all knew it was against-the-odds with back to back to back 3 and out's. Yet as soon as all that wear and tear caught up with us, we have threads about how Kiko sucks, our CB's suck, Wake sucks, etc. Just like that- a few tough losses and you're on that bandwagon...it's time to overhaul the entire defense in 2018.

    Really folks?? We're now saying Wake sucks because he couldn't consistently sack Cam Newton?? I'm sorry, but that crosses an invisible line for me that shouldn't be crossed.

    Plain and simple, the "fans" who expect their team to be perfect every week are delusional...you're not going to hold a league MVP candidate like Cam Newton to zero rushing/passing yards per game. And because our team got their asses kicked for 2 1/2 quarters after the most grueling schedule in NFL football for the past DECADE, it's typical for people to overreact and say the coaches suck, the team sucks, the players suck, etc.

    But you know something? You suck as a fan even more. If you watch the film, you're not seeing players giving up or taking downs off...our defense is going "balls to the wall" every single down. Poor Cutler is out there with cracked ribs, hasn't complained a single time, and the guy is getting leveled while taking shots downfield trying to spark a drive. He's a true leader out there and all some of you can say is how bad he sucks.

    How would you react if I showed up with thousands of friends at your place of work and criticized every step you took throughout the day? And what would your answer be when I said, "Oh, it's okay that we're bashing you 24/7...we're fans."

    I personally do not give a crap if you've been a Dolphins fan for 6 weeks or 50 years, that does not give you the right to ignore everything that's happened to our team this season and continually bash them...and anyone who happens to show an ounce of optimism. I noticed Cbrad has mentioned playoffs a lot this past week and there must be three dozen comments telling him how ridiculous he's being- the guy is ridiculous for rooting for his team? Really?

    I've heard others being called stupid, ******ed, ignorant...the latest was when when someone told Dan, "You shouldn't post here anymore."

    My friends, either you're a Dolphins fan or you're not. And if you are, then why in the hell are you spending your time attacking other Dolphin fans on a public forum? (*Hint- that's why they make Jets and New England forums....go give people hell there instead). But to come here and constantly bash people for saying, "the team still has a shot" or "the team is playing their hearts out"....it really makes me question why you consider yourself a fan in the first place.

    I've even seen folks here bragging after losses that they told us so- I'm pretty sure that means you were rooting for the other team.

    I love our Miami Dolphins and I HATE that we're losing, but I'm also enough of a realist to say that there is no easy fix for a month of intercontinental travel, a banged up Cutler, a coke-head line coach and all our other challenges. And unless you secretly believe that Adam Gase is a real-life Harry Potter, then you should realize that there's no magic wand to wave that instantly fixes our problems. We can't get back those lost practices, Tannehill's knee or any of the other stuff....all we can do is play the cards we've been dealt.

    So I have one question for you- are you a Miami Dolphins fan or not? Because if the answer is "yes", then there's only one thing to talk about- how we're going to turn the season around by whipping Tampa's *** in a few days.
     
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  2. dirtylandry

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    I can tell the passion in the post and I appreciate it. But just because you criticize players and want certain people off the team, doesn't make you less of a fan. Miami has been mediocre pretty much since 1999. In 17 full seasons, not including this one, we have average 7.7 wins a game. Think of what has came and gone through since. Just to name a few cast of characters: Ricky, Brees, Culpepper, Mike Wallace, John Beck, Cleon Lemon, AJ Feely. Miami has refused to do the unsexy things to build a winner, and that is building their trenches. They have also avoided at all costs it seems, a super star. Think of the all the stars that have been drafted, and how many we staright-up-passed. One thing is constant, the decision making has been mediocre. Fans can walk away and not accept it. Instead, they haven't walked away, but they haven't accepted it.
     
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  3. KeyFin

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    No offense, but that's complete horse poop. Name one team in the history of the NFL that hasn't had at least one drafted player from a single draft class wash out. Miami has drafted heavy in the trenches and the blocking is decent. Not exceptional, not league best, but not horrible either. Yet all we hear is how Pouncey, Tunsil and so many others are terrible...they never do a single thing right.

    That's choosing to be negative and looking for any little thing to complain about, then somehow turning it into an absolute that allegedly happens on every single snap. It's complete horse poop though (since the site doesn't let us say bull****) since Cutler has had pretty good protection all year long. Cutler is tied for 27th this year in sacks- only 5 teams are doing better in that department....but our line sucks?

    I'm sorry, that's a huge serving of horse poop. And we can say the same thing about running the ball now that we have a RB hitting holes instead of bouncing things outside every play.

    If you focus on the negative, there are ALWAYS things to complain about. But just because you're complaining, that doesn't automatically make you a fan. Either you're rooting for your team to win or you're not...that's the criteria.

    And PS- that's not directed at you personally...it's just a general statement about the state of the forums lately.
     
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  4. Rickysabeast

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    Which is the foot to start goose stepping with? I always forget. Where's my Mein Kampf book I'm sure it's in there. I am just kidding though Key as you and I used to agree a lot. I hope we get back to that as we both care a lot for this team.


    Look dude, people don't need to be blind fans of the team. We're not playing as well as we want our team to play. We spend every year being somewhere between awful and kinda good and a lot of us are sick of it. For me I'm having an extra fun year as I'm also a Gator and that team is as bad as the Phins.

    I for one want them to win. But I'm not seeing it and the on field product is really bad. Sure, I know those players really care and they are putting it on the line but I also know they are all paid well to do it. We've also all endured long lasting mediocre leadership regimes and don't want to see that happen. At the same time we can't use the hook on Gase too early.

    Right now is the time to be cautious. It's when we want Ross to be watching closely and be a quick decision maker based on how the remaining season goes. I just want to see us win next year if we can't do it this year. Based on how bad we are, I would say that should it continue a coaching change must be made. We also know that the Tannehill project is long in the tooth. How can he be next year? Unknown. However, we're more than half a decade into him blooming as a QB that so far is at his best not the pro bowler we need.

    You chastise us as fans because we have the audacity to not happily accept all that happens. Get used to it bud. Our fandom is nothing that should be taken for granted. We want our team to win. We've been patient and there are always so many great reasons for the bad outcomes. You know what? I'm tired of the great excuses that cause us to turn one bad game into a stretch and a stretch into a season and a season into two. Shouldn't you be?
     
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  5. Rickysabeast

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    Maybe I broke the internet with my response....
     
  6. Fame

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    Just good enough to not get better.
     
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  7. Rickysabeast

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    Our best hope is an outcome that equals us being average again. Isn't that what you want in your sports team? D+ on the 2017 season report card?
     
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  8. KeyFin

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    On the parts bolded in white, I agree with you- everyone is sick of losing. It sucks year after year, and that's why last season was such a breath of fresh air. We were a solid team even with RT injured down the stretch.

    On the blue bolded parts, we don't agree at all though. The product on the field is not "really bad." Look at each of the drives....what is killing them? Dumb penalties. Dropped passes. Coverage pressures where we have to throw the ball away. Most of the problem is on the receivers and Cutler, yet the forum is lit up about Ajayi and how everything is Gase's fault. And the line's fault...even though Cutler is tied for 5th to last in sacks. People are just plain angry that we haven't been able to overcome everything that's hit us so far, and a lot of people aren't even paying attention anymore. It's just, "FIRE THE COACH NOW!"

    Likewise, I've been on the fence on Tannehill for years now but I don't see how you can't admit that he was borderline AWESOME in his stretch of games last season. He HAS TO get the benefit of the doubt in 2018 in my opinion, just like Gase should be getting that now based on last year's performance. Like it or not, we bet the entire season on Cutler and people are lining up with pitchforks over 9 games....three of which he looked good in, four of which he played average and one where he looked bad.

    But again, go back to the actual film and study drive by drive....that's what the coaches base their decision on. Neither the line or Cutler have looked as terrible as some are claiming, and they're faulting the coach for not agreeing with their knee jerk reactions.

    And the final thing we disagree on- Sparano and Philbin got multiple bad years with horrible philosophies on how to win games. With Sparano, for example, we led almost every contest at halftime and ran the ball until we weren't winning anymore. We were losing because of the philosophy, the error in game planning and execution, and it wasn't necessarily on the players. In my opinion, that's not what we're seeing today though....it's the exact opposite. Players are making mistakes and stalling drives, largely because of Cutler's leadership abilities.

    To ask Ross to fire Gase this season, despite losing your starting QB and so many other setbacks, is a knee-jerk reaction at best. I think if you actually watched back the last 9 games play by play, series by series, you'd see exactly what Gase is seeing as well.

    We're all tired of excuses- but that doesn't mean we should just make things up either. (Ajayi was the best player on the team, the line never blocks, Landry has played awesome, etc. etc.). The film just doesn't show those things. But people accept that stuff as the truth after they hear it enough and then once a hurricane makes your team evacuate their homes for a month, for example, folks say that Gase is all out of excuses. Well guess what- what excuse has he given us so far?

    He could have said last year that the line sucks and the season is doomed, but instead he fired two players and told others they were heading out the door as well. Then we won 8 of 9. This season, when we travelled more than any team in the past decade....all in the first six weeks....it would have been easy to say it's just too damn hard. Did Gase say that? No...he went out and won 2 of the next 3.

    If this team was 2 and 7 or 1 and 8, then I'd say sure, blast away...even though the Fins got screwed by Mother Nature and RT's knee. But we're 4 and 5, in the playoff hunt, and we just got blown out by the team that will likely win the Super Bowl this season. We lost to the Jets twenty to zip and a few weeks later, we spanked their asses. That's not progress and a coach working to save the season?

    Like I said, I get the negativity. We've all watched the Fins be mediocre for a very long time....just like EVERY NFL FRANCHISE that's not the NE Patriots. Would you be happier as an Atlanta fan after they blew out the SB champs for three quarters...only to choke spectacularly?? And where are they this season?!? (by the way, we stomped their asses too) They're feeling the same thing we are at 5-4 and they have their starting QB.

    All I'm saying is, fans root for their team to win every Sunday...that's the only qualifier of being a fan. So yes, I question some folks when all they do is complain, attack other members and throw out blanket statements that don't have a shred of truth to them. And I'm not saying that's you....but it applies to a lot of folks here. Are they rooting for us to win this coming Sunday or not? It's a very simple question.

    If they're not, then they are not Miami Dolphin fans and they should stop filling our fan forum with hate.
     
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  9. hitman8

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    I have been a Diehard dolphins fan since 1991 when I was eleven years old. I grew up watching Marino and Shula. You can call me spoiled but I know what greatness looks like, and when we have been going on 18 years now of mediocrity and outright terrible play, horrendous coaching and idiotic decision making excuse me if I get pissed off and want to rightfully criticize the team, players, coaches and/or FO. It's like watching your high school sweetheart get repeatedly gangbanged by a bunch of crackheads, you're not going to just stand around and let them do it unless you don't feel anything for the ***** anymore.

    Being a fan is not abount blindly cheerleading a team no matter how many games they lose and no matter how many idiotic decisions they make. In fact I would say the one's who criticize the most are actually the biggest fans, since it truly hurts to see your team get embarrassed like that. You can't just sweep it under the rug and act like an optimist if you really care.
     
  10. Dolphin Dundee

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    Heh! I was going to bring up the GF cheating on you thing. .Just remember the good times and forget about how she continually breaks your heart BS...Homers are Homers nothing anyone can do or say to change that..I learned my lesson during the Henne days...Rock on Key you are the most positive fan i know. But good luck telling everyone else how to be a true fan of this team.
     
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  11. vt_dolfan

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    I'm probably one of the most optimistic fans on this site....bordering on being a Homer and have no issues admitting it.

    I can deal with negativity if it's grounded in some kind of logic. Player X sucks because he's not player Y..or fire Gase when his current record isn't even a losing record a year and a half into his tenure, honestly I have no patience for those kind of discussions. I think they hurt the site to be frank.

    I approach being a Phin fan in the same exact way I approached playing sports my whole life, and that it's never over. As a Red Sox fan, I remember being down 3-0 to the Yankees...and never giving up, believing the Sox would win if they just got something going...2004 saw them win the next 8 games to win the World Series.

    There are a lot of proud men who wear the Phins colors. I can guarantee you not one player in that locker room has quit, and won't quit.

    I've been a Phins fan since David Woodley..that's a long long time, and I FREAKING LOVE BEING A PHINS FAN. Now I get to share that love with my two sons..and that's freaking awesome.

    My advice..stop worrying so much about the wins and losses and start enjoying discussions about evaluating players. Enjoy the friendships you can create on this site, which at the end of the day far surpass Wins in importance. Take a measure of comfort knowing your with other Phin fans who can't wait to share a World Championship with each other.

    Guys it's football. Enjoy the hell out of every single inch of it...
     
  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    If you are looking around the net to find a Message Board for Phin fans..what kind of site are you more likely to put down roots in..

    One that had endless threads *****ing about how bad your favorite team is? Or one that at least tries to find a balance? Good football discussion is critical to this sites continued future. It's worth taking the time to make well thought out , reasonable posts because those are going to attract more like minded Phins fans.

    Not sure equating football losses to watching your GF get raped by crack heads is going to bring the desirable crowd..but hey that's just me.
     
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  13. Puka-head

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    SADNESS! TRIBULATION! AND MUCH WEEPING AMONGST THE WOMEN!!!
     
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  14. KeyFin

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    I can't disagree with a single word you said- you don't think I get pissed off when our team loses by 40? Of course I do.

    I have never "blindly cheerleaded" and pretended like there weren't problems- in fact, I post a review here every week and try to be as unbiased as possible (which is impossible for us to be, of course, because we are hardcore fans). And you'd better believe I complain just as much as anyone here, optimist or not.

    The part I'm talking about is the blind negativity that's not even based on football or football knowledge. For example, we handed the ball 138 times to Ajayi across 7 games and on over 100 of those attempts, he ignored the coach and how his fellow players were blocking. Tell me- how many handoffs on 1st and 2nd down does it take to equal 100 rushing attempts? Because that's how many drives he screwed our team over this season.

    But let's ignore what was actually happening to have endless discussions about firing Gase or how bad Cutler and the line sucks, right? It's so much easier to ignore reality and just make things up on why the team is struggling. And hey, let's fire the best coach we've had since those Marino and Shula days because people are too stupid to understand basic concepts of football....would that make you feel better? The team has real problems and I'd gladly talk about them...if we could actually talk football instead of generic middle school level intellect.

    As I've said in every post, that's not directed at you AT ALL- I'm just very tired of the opposite of whatever "blindly cheerleaded" would be and all the opinions based on fiction. It definitely sucks that we're losing, but it's a lot worse that we can't have a real conversation about football based on what actually happened on the field. And if folks aren't even rooting for this team anymore, then it would be really nice if they could take their blind hate elsewhere so the grown-ups can talk football.
     
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  15. KeyFin

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    I'm not trying to tell folks how to be a fan- as I've said, you're a fan if you root for a specific team. Does it really sound to you like most of the folks here are putting on their aqua and orange and rooting for us on Sundays though? I'm guessing that a lot of the biggest complainers here with their fiction-based opinions aren't even watching the game.
     
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    It is absolute stupid to say you can't criticize this team and not be a fan. I never root against them. But maybe, at this point, as a fan, it is better in the Long Term, to lose the rest of the year. Still am a fan. This team has proven on the field that they aren't good and won't win many games.
     
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    Just because fans, don't think we are going to win a game doesn't mean we are rooting for the opposition. We are just experiencing a large dose of reality. Blaming the fact that we lost some practice time is ridiculous. They practice is glorious sunshine all damn year, so a few lost days...rubbish. As for the calls to sack Gase. Anyone who makes a decision to bring in an old out of condition QB, who wasn't much good anyway, to fill the role of our starting QB, deserves to be sacked, and the sooner the better.
     
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  18. Rickysabeast

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    I hear and heard you. I agree with a lot of what you said. I guess for me its just such a long drought of us being respected, a top five offense, and not a butt of football jokes at the Monday morning water cooler. I'm tired of fighting for the Dolphins pride and they just show up and get flambeyed in games they should win. It's been decades of it. We're all tired. Last year was a tease and Matt Fumbles Moore and a horrific run D totally lost us the Steelers playoffs game. With each coach, we have to be patient. We have to give them three years. Based on how the O Line is playing, I think Tannehill would have been even worse than Cutler this year. I just don't understand the need to be patient. We have a mega billionaire owner and we can't even get the turf right let alone fix the O Line. I'm tired of squandering year after year because I have to be patient. None of us get three years to make a difference in our jobs. If we don't do a good job consistently we're fired by our boss. Why is it any different here? Why do these coaches get so long to prove themselves? If I'm Ross my expectation is to go to the playoffs every year. It doesn't matter if that's realistic or not. My team my rules my expectation and if you miss them pack your crap. It's not like they aren't paying Gase or T-Bum or Burke well. Next year we'll have a different excuse. Another hurricane will come or Landry and Parker will be injured or blah blah blah. My expectation is we should be a team that can do the following:

    Plug in a QB that can win in the event of an injury.
    Fix the freaking O Line we have been fixing since before drafting Vernon Carey in '04. Yes '04. 13 years ago.
    Get a pass rush that can actually sack the QB at least 3 or 4 times a game.
    Field a secondary that isn't 29th in the league at interceptions.
    With our offensive genius QB whisperer coach, consistently field a top ten passing offense.
    Don't get blown out by more than two td's ever. Shutout twice in the same season is a job killer for most coaches alone.

    Gase has done none of those yet. Sure maybe the secondary was 20th in interceptions last year or something feeble.

    By your definition I remain a fan as I watch each game and hope they win. However, I do not feel that we need to be as patient as some of you do. Gase is the coach this year. I hope we somehow finish 11-5 and make the playoffs. However, if he finishes 6-10 or less I say he is out of here. If Gase goes, I say the new coach replaces T-hill with Jackson, Rosen, or Baker. The T-hill project has not fielded the pro bowl QB we need. Lets face it. I like Tannehill and would hope he would replace Moore as the backup. Though we have been incapable of helping him jointly stay healthy and succeed at the level that is commensurate with his pay and our expectations. We're the freaking Miami Dolphins for God's sake. Marino's team!
     
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  19. Fin D

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    I don't question people's fandom. I don't think a fan should act one way or another.

    However, if the Dolphins or any other sports teams make someone so effing miserable that all they can do is cry, *****, moan, rant, scream, throw things, break stuff and have tantrums.....what the hell is the point? Life is too short to let something trivial like a game (and a game beyond your control or influence) have that much power over your happiness.

    Also, no one cares how long you've "suffered" watching the team. i've been a fan longer than many on here and many more have been a fan longer than me. So what?

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, people should adopt what I call the "Game of Thrones Theory" when watching their team. That show takes people on a rollercoaster of ups and downs (wins and losses) but you watch because of the whole story and how it will all end someday. Think of each game as an episode in a story and each season as a show season.
     
  20. dirtylandry

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    this actually is a decent post. But it's the emotional rollercoasters of feelings, like crying and throwing things that will make it all worth the wait one day. You can't say you don't think a fan should act one way or another and then say they can't piss and moan. Sports and politics are things we have no right to judge someone's passion on.
     
  21. Rickysabeast

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    Nah. It's not.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    Dirty, you start multiple threads daily. You talk about the future of the team. I NEVER SAID you can't criticize the team as a fan- we all criticize them daily. That's what we come here for....to talk football. This thread was not aimed at you.

    Who was this thread aimed at? The folks who don't watch games, don't look at a stat sheet, but come here and spew constant negativity based on thin air. For instance, Ricky mentioned that we can't get pressure.....we've been getting great pressure all season with mainly a four man rush. That's a knee-jerk reaction based on Cam Newton torching the crap out of us and I get it....that was painful to watch. But then there are those here who say stuff like that weekly without ever seeing a snap or even an ESPN highlight reel. Someone like CBrad throws out stats and those folks are saying, "Screw your stats, you don't know football."

    Maybe we just have a large number of trolls here this season since it's not another cinderella year. But the constant negativity based on nothing just brings the whole board down. Some of us were posting in "off topic" the other week because the conversations in general were so insanely off-base. It shouldn't be like that.
     
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  23. Rickysabeast

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    You must be joking. Great pressure? http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks
    Look at that. There are five teams with less sacks than us. Great pressure my @#!.
     
  24. KeyFin

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    I disagree, especially on the politics, but that's not something we can discuss here. If someone has no idea what they're talking about yet still ranting like a lunatic, I think you need to judge where that passion is coming from. Ignoring them is exactly how we get crazy folks shooting up concerts in Vegas, attacking kids in schools and all kinds of other travesties. And sadly, it always seems to start with politics and some warped ideology not based on reality.
     
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  25. KeyFin

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    Pressure and sacks are two different things- we pressured Cam Newton a decent bit, then he turned it into big gains with his legs.
     
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  26. Rickysabeast

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    Well. The "pressure" we are getting on the opposing QBs is not equaling sacks and is not causing them to to make mistakes as we are also pathetic in interceptions. So the pressure that is "great" sucks as EVERY opposing QB has had ample time to complete a majority of their passes. I get it with Cam. But should all of the other qbs we've faced be able to escape from Wake and Harris almost all the time?
     
  27. Rickysabeast

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    Ya know. This nonsense about the forums being negative is ludicrous. OF COURSE they are negative. Our team sucks! You guys can keep drinking the kool-aid but we're not blind! You want forum positivity? It ain't going to happen until the team improves jack! We're on here because for the most part we're mega fans. We want our team to improve. This isn't for Stepford fans who will just be automatons and find something positive to say when there is nothing positive happening on the field! I'm not here to go with the flow just to go with it. I'm stating my thoughts and my Phin fan-dom does have borders. It does require for the team to care about us as fans and field a winning product that does not embarrass us. I want the team to improve. I enjoy talking about my team. But right now that team sucks and we're going to talk about how it sucks. Not about the fact that freaking John Denney is a heckuva deep snapper or that the team colors are pretty or that they sure try hard. You don't like my tone because I'm not whistling zippadeedoodah with my unicorn spirit animal throwing confetti because they try hard and should all get participation awards. I want them to win. If by talking about the fact that we're not winning hurts anyone's delicate sensitivities then put us on ignore and bury your head in the clouds. Meanwhile, lets go kick Buc ***!
     
  28. KeyFin

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    To be fair, Cam did throw several bad passes due to pressure. I think the big difference in that game is that they pounded the heck out of Suh...he's used to double teams and usually finds ways to stay disruptive. Carolina shut him down though and that's how they were able to run so well....it's one of the first teams this year that ran at Suh and didn't pay the price.

    I don't have time today to research the passing stats of opposing QB's, but the Fins are averaging 17.5 points per game through the air, which is about 15th in the league (it was much lower before the two blowouts, of course). I think we've been pretty good defending until the recent weeks when the floodgates finally broke. It was pretty evident that we were playing frustrated in the 2nd half against Carolina, guys were trying to lay folks out instead of wrapping up and playing smart football.
     
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    Key is just saying, and I agree 1000% that it is ok to come here and discuss our team good or bad. And yes there is a lot more bad than good to discuss it seems. I'ts OK to share your opinion about all that, it's NOT OK to be a rectal orifice about it to the other people here.
    That's all, just play nice.
     
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    I totally agree with that. I've played nice. Except with Fin-D. Which I got a vacation for. I've been nice since then....kinda.
     
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    You're twisting words, my friend. I said that I'm tired of negativity based on fiction like Wake hasn't generated any pressure this season OR that Ajayi was clearly our best player.
     
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  32. Rickysabeast

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    Oh! But it was such a good rant. Ok gotcha!
     
  33. Fin D

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    I didn't say they can't or shouldn't piss and moan. I'm saying life is too short to let something affect you that way.

    And, no throwing things does not make it worth the wait.

    Also politics and sports are not in the same hemisphere.
     
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    How will I sleep tonight?
     
  35. Rickysabeast

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    Who cares lol? :escape:
     
  36. Fin D

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    Might be the person that just can't stop talking about me....
     
  37. hitman8

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    The pressure number is basically one guy, cam wake. And overall pressures are subjective, being close to the QB before he throws can be counted as a pressure, even if the pass was completed for a touchdown.

    Bottom line is we are not getting sacks, and the subjective pressures that we are getting are not affecting the offenses enough to stop them from scoring on us.

    So overall our pass rush is lacking, partly due to underperforming players like branch and harris, and partly due to the scheme which Burke is implementing where he rarely blitzes the linebackers.
     
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    I think we will have a better idea next week since Cam and Carolina is not a good gauge of pressure. We were generating great pressure for the first four or five games but not so much lately.
     
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    This site is depressing......lets fire our coach in his second year after making the playoffs with everything that has gone on outside of football not within his control....craziness. I would bet almost anything he doesn't get fired even if the dolphins don't win another game this year. people calling for that don't make sense to me. Suh needs to go......seriously? he is one of the best dt's in the game. get rid of wake he is old and not getting enough sacks......held almost every play and again one of the best at his position in the league.....things haven't been ideal this season and I have complaints too, but things being called for here are ridiculous. trash talking people for there opinions is also ridiculous if that person is respectfully voicing said opinion. people can disagree without being rude about it. make your point and back it up without your stupid...or you dumb @%! how could you have that point view. I disagree with the people here saying our team and coach are a dumpster fire to blow everything up and start over......I think that will lead to more of the same and actually believe we have the right coach and this year has just been one of bad circumstance and S$#t going wrong. I understand the thought process behind people not wanting to give it another year or two but just don't agree. what I can agree on is that the people who feel that way are entitled to there opinion and shouldn't be bashed for having it. It could be immeasurably worse if you think about......the dolphins could be the browns.......
     
  40. Irishman

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    I am glad to see this post. It really needed to be said! Thank you.
     

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