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To anyone defending Burke or Gase over D's performance

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rickysabeast, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    There's been a lot of back and forth this week with people like myself calling for Gase's and Burke's head based on how the defense has performed (not to mention that our QB whispering offensive genius can't get our O to outscore other teams). Lot's of people are defending them and telling people like me that we aren't fans and are too negative.

    With that said, I'd like to share with you how inept our defense has been over the last three games alone. In those three games NEITHER Harris nor Wake had a single sack, our defense had zero INT's (only three on the year) and to cap it all off we gave up 1229 yards and 112 points IN THREE GAMES. So after those three games our defense is averaging giving up 409 yards and 37 points per game.

    I know there's a lot of football still to come and I really hope this doesn't continue and we get our stuff together. However, if this trend continues both Burke and Gase should be fired and possibly Tannenbum for ruling over this mess and the decisions that led to it. I mean, we took the LB coach whose LB unit last year was historically bad (sure injured but who cares it's football injuries happen to EVERY team) and we promoted him to DC! I mean what a horrific idea to start with! Let's take the guy that was a TOTAL freaking failure from the year before and give him more responsibility and make him the defensive coordinator. I mean Bellicik has to have broken a rib laughing about that one! That's like taking the fry cook that gave the entire restaurant food poisoning from peeing on the food to executive chef. Or giving the Exxon Valdeez's drunk captain another Oil Barge!

    I just want everyone to comprehend the level of incompetence that is happening on our team.
     
  2. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    couple things. We may need to seriously consider prior head coaches to have some coordinator positions on this team. Gase may not like it, but as he is fighting for his job in the off season, saying he will change things up and get help should help him out. Next, it is beyond my comprehension why we can't fix any major deficiency on this team. The run defense has been dismal since week 12 of the 2014 season, when Denver lit us up. You mean to tell me with Suh, his money and all the transactions since, we still can't stop the run? I'm starting to use process of elimination and I believe that our edge guys are getting blasted and are of no help in the run defense.
     
  3. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Sure. I'm highlighting the incompetence. I don't pretend to know how to fix it. If they want to run a hotel or open a restaurant they can call me for knowledge. I just want my team to not suck and it seems to be getting worse not better.
     
  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Why hayes is not starting over branch is beyond me.
     
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  5. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Injured.
     
  6. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    He's not fighting for his job in the offseason.
     
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  7. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Miami gets nothing from the Dline, no pass rush and no run stopping. Next several weeks is an eval period. Might have to trash the line
     
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  8. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    He sure should be. Or is that because hes already been fired by then?
     
  9. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Our run D is fine UNTIL the offense puts them in **** this mode.
     
  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    ..and what about 3rd and long? Teams salivate on that. They love the LB matchups on the inside or the TE matchups. Combine with no pass rush, I need a coach that is creative enough to dial up pressure. You all laughed at Rex Ryan. Rather have him now and not have to worry about him going to another HC job
     
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  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Agree that he SHOULD be, but that's only from our vantage point.

    As for the first post ... that all tells me players aren't executing, not bad coaching. The INT thing especially is not a reflection on Burke AT ALL. Or are we suggesting the Raiders should already have fired Del Rio? TO's are more about chance than anything.

    Again, our defense is getting worn down physically and emotionally by a grossly stunted offense. Burke himself is fine. We could use some more playmakers. Watching a guy like Shazier for Pitt last night ... we just don't have that kind of player. Also, as much as I keep hearing about Suh always being double teamed, he sure can go for stretches without being effective while other top DL still heavily impact the game. Find a way.
     
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  12. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't saying you weren't a fan- I simply pointed out exactly what you said above- "over the past three games alone". And the reason you phrased it that way is because we started out as a top five defense over the first five games and remained in the top ten until three weeks ago. So you're essentially saying, fire Burke because of a horrible three-game stretch.

    So who'd we face in those last three games? The Ravens, who always seem to kick our asses. The Panthers, that are likely headed for the Super Bowl under Newton with an ultra high power offense. And the Raiders, who won the game because Jones got that ridiculous flag while getting his head ripped off (I can't get over that play- worst call I've ever seen in the NFL).

    However, if we take the Chargers, Falcons and Titans game as the criteria here, we have the 3rd best defense in football. That's why you can't just take 3 games out of 9 and say that it tells the entire story.

    I know it's been a rough couple of weeks for the Dolphins but Good Lord, you don't fire a 4-5 coach playing a backup QB due to injury. I've already said in multiple other threads that it makes sense to talk about firing folks if we finish the year 4-12 or 6-10, but it's just too early considering the teams (and the refs) we just faced over the last three weeks...especially since we won the three games prior to the stretch you're pointing out. If we had played the Panthers in week one and the Ravens in week 7, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

    Remember, Gase was 4-4 last season as well and we finished at 10-6. There's still a lot of football left to play.
     
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  13. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Im not sure why this is a debate.
    we were never 4-5
    were were 1-4 and went to 7-4
     
  14. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    LOL yeah, teams should just kneel the first 2 snaps so they can pick up the easy 3rd and long against us :)
     
  15. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    That QB was and picked by the coach to start. not some guy off the bench.
     
  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    It was a typo...meant to put 4-4. I'm not sure why it's a debate either.
     
  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    You're absolutely right....and it wasn't a good option. But who do you pick instead? Try to lure Romo or Manning out of retirement? Kaep? Moore? Heck, Tebow? There are some major gambles involved with each of those names. (I would have tried for Romo personally)

    But even with that said, you believe that a coach should be fired after 9 games for picking the wrong backup QB? Really?
     
  18. dolphin25

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    I would have just rolled with Moore. Not enough difference there and it seemed the team was behind Moore pretty good. IF I were one of the other players I would think.... here is a guy that has worked hard, done everything he was asked by coaches, been a great teammate and he gets screwed over by the coaching staff. To me it sent a very negative message.
     
  19. KeyFin

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    I completely agree...Moore was my first choice as well. I am guessing it came down to the concussions though and being scared that he wouldn't last for 16 full games. I still believe that if it wasn't for the head injuries, Moore would be starting somewhere long-term.
     
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  20. hitman8

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    Branch and Harris are terrible at holding the edge against the run and holding up at the poa in general. Wake has improved in this area.

    Branch and harris are a couple of worthless players right now. Tbaum in his genius gave branch a big extension even though he has been a below average de his entire career including last year, and then we go and draft harris who is an extremely raw and flawed player for a first round pick.

    Neither can stop the run, and neither can rush the passer with any consistency.

    Complete waste of money and draft pick up to this point.

    Perfect example of the kind of incompetence that we have with tbaum at the helm.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    Can’t argue with this at this point... I didn’t want to sign branch and didn’t want to draft Harris... dudes better show their worth and the value real soon
     
  22. DHitchens

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    The defense has been surrendering very high opposing passer ratings all year. It has yet to hold an opposing team in any single game to the kind of passer rating that makes an opposing team very unlikely to win.

    The overall opposing passer rating surrendered by the defense (over 104) in 2017 has been associated with a 4-12 record on average in the league since 2004. No Super Bowl winner since 2004 has surrendered a passer rating above the league average, while the Dolphins this year are surrendering one far above the league average.
     
  23. pumpdogs

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    And yet we keep hearing year after year how great the DLINE is.
     
  24. Fame

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    We should just hire an entirely new staff every year until we win the super bowl. That’s clearly how good teams do it and it’s the only solution.

    Also let’s give Tannenbaum a huge extension while we’re at it because the players we have on the roster are far better than all the other teams in the league.
     
  25. Dorfdad

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    Gase gets another year, but I agree tannebomb :) should go and we need a real defensive coordinator. Next year we will be working with less on defense I am guessing.
     
  26. danmarino

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    PFF ranks Wake below Harris and Branch nearly identical (albeit a tad higher) than Wake in run defense. Harris is ranked 5th out of all rookies in regard to pressuring the QB.

    For what it's worth, I think their grading is crap, but I know some here like it. For example, they rank Hayes higher than Wake. For interior defensive line Suh is ranked 5th (I can agree with that) but Godchaux is 76th and that's BS.
     

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