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Let's assume miami drafts a qb in 2018

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone think the chemical makeup of this team is like recent teams of the past, to trade up and be in the top 2? Miami, aside from 2013, has been a wait and see what lands in your spot team, or a team that trades down. They also made a mistake with Carroo, but we're over that (not really).

    Also , what about Teddy Bridgewater?
     
  2. lohink

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    If there is one thing I have learned watching this season? It is there are a multitude of problems and the majority of them are not the qb. If we waste our first round pick on a qb get ready for another long decade......
     
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  3. Silverphin

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    Houston, LA, and Philly had horrible QBs prior to their current* starting QBs.

    *Unfortunately, for Houston, DeShaun got injured.
     
  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I fully agree, it makes zero sense to take a QB in the first round UNLESS there's something going on with RT's knee that we don't know about. Otherwise, we need to focus on a LB, CB, OL, RB or DL. The only way we grab a QB in round one is if we finish the year 4-12 and the BPA happens to be a stud passer.
     
  5. danmarino

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    I agree. The only way I'd pick a QB in the first round is if one of the top 3 are available. I'm a believer in RT, but you should have someone to groom at all times and we haven't had a QB to groom in years.
     
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  6. JIGGAJOE

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    I don't understand why this is a discussion. Until we fix the OL, it doesn't matter who is throwing the ball. Look at the colts, they have a premiere QB, doesn't do them any good with a bum shoulder from taking to many hits.1st round OL, 2nd round LB/ DL/ OR OL, 3rd round same as second minus what you took that round. 4th and beyond BPA (QB here if it works out that way.) That 2019 Draft will be the QB year for us IMO.
     
  7. Deus ex dolphin

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    You could trade away Tanny for at least a high second and change (a second and fifth for example) to help move up into the top three picks. Then focus the rest of the draft on fixing the OL. Start Moore for 4-6 games (till he gets hurt) and then let the rookie take over and take his lumps.

    IF you drafted the right QB.

    IF you fixed the OL.

    IF he makes a leap from year one to year two.

    THEN Miami can focus on the Defense for 2019 and we can look forward to a winning season and maybe a Wildcard spot.

    Now, is that a BETTER PLAN than focusing on the OL for 2018 and depending on Tanny to make a leap running the Gase offense? I can see Tanny winning a Super Bowl with a solid team around him, but I don't know that the front office is capable of building one around him. Not so sure I want them picking another QB either.

    So, my choice at this point in time is to build around Tanny for 2018, and if that fails you blow it up and start again after cleaning out the front office and coaching staff.
     
  8. Sceeto

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    Best interior OLineman.
     
  9. Boik14

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    OL, DL, or TE....unless Chosen Rosen is available.

    I know we just drafted Harris last year but you can never have too many pass rushers and secondly I felt like pass rushers were a need before Wake was now another year older. Also, there have been good teams that completely neutralized our rush (see raiders game), and one way to solve that is get more guys who can get after it. It’s probably down the list of needs but I never believe in drafting need, it’s BPA at a position of need or just straight BPA.
     
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  10. tirty8

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    I have a bit of a conspiracy theory on this one.

    I think that the Phins' first round pick is set in stone. I don't think we will be moving up or down. I think we are gonna stand pat and draft the best offensive lineman available. Our line (play calling too) are holding back our entire offense. I think a bluechip offensive lineman pays immediate dividends. Putting any rookie behind our line as it stands is a horrible idea.

    But here is where the conspiracy begins... This is a year that is stacked with QB prospects, and someone (maybe two) falls out of the first round. Assuming that we have a good grade on the available QBs, we draft him. As the media swarms in to create an immediate controversy, the Dolphins announce that "we drafted the number one QB on our board *wink, wink*. We were shocked that he was still available, and we couldn't pass up the opportunity. Why did we select him? Last year proved the value of having an important backup QB. Ryan Tannehill is our unquestioned starter."

    In all reality, Ryan Tannehill is being given his final chance in Miami. If Tannehill comes back and builds on his last season with Gase, he solidifies his position as our franchise QB. Perhaps we go the Garrappolo route and keep our draftee for a few years as a top tier backup and eventually look to trade him and recoup a draft pick.

    If Tannehill flounders, we will have our new QB of the future have a year learning the system as an understudy. Additionally, he could get some live reps at the end of the season whenever it becomes abundantly clear that Tannehill is not the answer.
     
  11. hitman8

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    I agree we need a true franchise QB if we can get one. RT is a middle of the pack starting QB in this league and he will continue to be that. He is not an elite franchise QB.

    If we are in a position to draft one I am all for it.
     
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  12. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like as good of a theory as any- and it makes sense. I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round if something fell to us, or even in the 1st round if we are truly getting someone the Dolphins covet as a steal. I think it's enough of a need at this point to justify....I just don't feel like it should be our #1 focus.
     
  13. hitman8

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    Marino was the 23rd pick in a QB heavy draft. Just saying...
     
  14. Fin-O

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    If we go QB it better be a mobile guy like Mayfield.

    Those guy's have the ability to mask a bad OL, and that we have.
     
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  15. DHitchens

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    The way Mayfield dodged Ohio State's stud defensive line and still made plays this year was amazing. He's the single reason they won that game. 11 YPA and 3 TDs in that game.
     
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  16. Drizzy

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    Yes of course taking a QB in the 1st round should be under serious consideration....I don't think Tannehill has proven all that much more than Bradford had at the time the Eagles traded up for Wentz despite the fact that they had just given Bradford an extension that same offseason...he was around the same age as Tannehill is now, both with high cap numbers and questions surrounding the stability of their knees, but Philly fell in love with a prospect and taking Wentz turned out to be a great decision.
     
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  17. Drizzy

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    And watching Lamar Jackson makes my jaw drop, if we pass on the hometown kid I think we'll be regretting it for a very long time.
     
  18. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Mayfield doesn't have an NFL arm. He gets by on mostly short and underneath throws. The guy I like best out of the top QBs this year is Sam Darnold, followed by Josh Rosen and Josh Allen.
     
  19. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Jackson is Basically another Michael Vick. Very talented but I don't think he is a franchise QB.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    there is one controversial player in this draft, and I don't mean that in a bad way, that I'm going to study the hell out of , and that is Lamar Jackson.

    I am a firm believer this city and franchise needs a player they can connect with, and with his roots being here in Miami, if he has the goods that translate to this level, and we can get him, then I believe we should take that very seriously..

    haven't studied one game of his, but it seems he's getting a lot of that ''he's just a mike Vick type'' more athlete then qb perception, and that scares gms into making bad decisions..so there might be a chance of availability at a decent slot...maybe he is maybe he isn't, but the factors he presents to this city, stadium, and possibility of inspiring a new generation of dolphin fans, he's worth a strong look.
     
  21. Drizzy

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    He's a more polished passer than Vick was coming out, go check out all of the clips I posted in the Draft Forum QB Watch thread, he's a star and he is exactly what this franchise needs, this team has been boring for decades.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    I watched some video highlights of Jackson since several folks mentioned his name- he's an amazing player to watch. Most "experts" are expecting him to go top 20 and a few mentioned that they felt like he could go #1 overall. He's stayed in the pocket a lot more this season and that's led to more team losses, but a lot more of seeing what he can do with his arm....and it's impressive.

    I've always loved running QB's but we all know that they have short lifespans in the NFL, that's why Philbin wanted Tannehill to be a pocket passer first and an athlete second. I think I'd pass on him but I wouldn't cry if we drafted him either....somebody send the kid a gas mask!
     
  23. djphinfan

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    ill watch his games once were eliminated from playoff contention, like I normally do..
     
  24. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    still raw, but I love his potential.
     
  25. mlb1399

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    Speaking of 2013, how about that decision to draft Jordan over Lane Johnson? Lol
     
  26. pumpdogs

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    I think rosen is the best qb in this draft and I would be shocked if he falls anywhere near us.
     
  27. pumpdogs

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    Darnold is so overrated.Rosen is the better qb.
    As for mayfeild he is johhny manziel all over again.
     
  28. DHitchens

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    Mayfield's career YPA at Oklahoma is 10.6. How's he pulling that off without an arm?
     
  29. DHitchens

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    Johnny Manziel all over again, without the emotional problems, would be a hell of a player.

    Mayfield is your QB in this draft who's going to be a team leader and a continual inspiration to his teammates. The other QBs are talented, but not of the ilk Mayfield is in terms of leadership.
     
  30. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    LOOK: Baker Mayfield issues apology for taunting Kansas with crotch grab, curses
    Add these to the list of things Mayfield has apologized for this year





    Update: As expected, Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield has issued an apology for grabbing his crotch and dropping some f-bombs against Kansas. It just happened sooner than Monday.

    Speaking with reporters, Mayfield walked back his demeanor, citing what the children might think if they saw it.


    Mayfield also took to his Twitter account to apologize.


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    Baker Mayfield is likely to issue another apology on Monday. This time, he'll be showing contrition for a crotch grab and some naughty language caught on camera during No. 4 Oklahoma's game against Kansas on Saturday.

    Mayfield threw a touchdown in the third quarter to give the Sooners a 28-3 lead over the Jayhawks, and as cameras followed him to the sideline, they found him delivering a rather clear message to the Kansas bench.

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    Now, while I'm not exactly bothered by this -- I think of the things I said to friends while playing basketball or even just video games and realize I have no ground to stand on here -- plenty of people will be, and it's a bad look. Particularly given Mayfield's arrest over the offseason and that whole flag-planting incident following Oklahoma's victory against Ohio State.

    I'm still mad about that one, by the way.





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    The problem for Mayfield is that, at this point, he's a clear front-runner for the Heisman Trophy, and whether you agree with the reasoning, this is just an incident that will give voters a reason to think about not voting for him.

    All that said, I'll take a quarterback with Mayfield's competitive streak on my team every dang day of the week.


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  31. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    No thanks.
     
  32. DHitchens

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    But is that kind of behavior going to stop him from functioning at all in the NFL, a la Manziel and his alcoholism?
     
  33. djphinfan

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    he's a feisty mother thats for sure...when he got arrested he got rocked by the cops, thought the dude busted his face and head up when they took him down..

    Piper said he's gonna be the hardest eval for him in that last few years.
     
  34. pumpdogs

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    Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield arrested in Arkansas
    Feb 25, 2017
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      Jake TrotterESPN Staff Writer

    Oklahoma Sooners quarterback Baker Mayfield was arrested early Saturday morning in Arkansas.

    He was charged with public intoxication, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and fleeing, according to the Washington County (Arkansas) sheriff's office.
     
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  35. pumpdogs

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    Heres johnny!
     
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  36. DHitchens

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    OK well that's a problem. I wasn't aware of that.
     
  37. pumpdogs

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    I also worry about his small size I don't think he is worth a high pick.
    The only first rd qb I like is rosen but he will be gone for us.
     
  38. finsfandan

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    We’re not New England. We can’t flip backup QBs for a decent return.
     
  39. Fin-O

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    They’ve said that about a lot of qbs though. He’s a 1st rounder
     
  40. finsfandan

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    I’ve always love running QBs too. Maybe I’m crazy but I think it’s worth experimenting and bringing the college game to the NFL. Part of the problem I see is that teams are too conservative with their QBs like we have been with Tannehill. We give them huge contracts, we’re afraid of injury, teams tend to stick to pocket passers, then we can’t plug and play a dynamic playmaker.

    It seems like running QBs tend to be a flash in the pan but that can be a strength if you draft them often enough to avoid paying for mediocrity.
     
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