It feels like this board is fairly about Gase's future. As it becomes more than obvious, that the losing is nowhere near over, a silver lining in terms of draft position gives us hope. I cannot remember a year in which the QB class was so deep. In addition, RT played the best football of his up-and-down career before his injury occurred. Needless to say, a very big decision needs to be made, and as of right now, that is Adam Gase's decision. To the people that defend Gase and think that this season was doomed before it began due to injuries and Hurricane Irma, I do understand your point. But the question remains, "Do you want a coach on a mulligan making one of the biggest decisions in the history of our franchise?" Certainly, Gase defenders would agree that another season like this one would stamp Gase's ticket out of town. Here is the dilemma. If you give Gase the opportunity to make this choice, he would be making the choice for himself, and quite possibly, the new coach if he does wind up floundering. Additionally, if Gase chose to go with an athletic QB (Jackson) or a system type QB, it could scare away potential candidates that have different offensive philosophies. Moreover, if Gase does get fired, there is a very likely chance that a poor QB performance was part of the reason that he would get fired. Having a newly drafted QB that has looked rough could make the job undesirable for big name coaches. If Gase sticks with RT, and he is a bust, I feel quite confident that the Dolphins would have passed on a franchise QB. I truly think that by the end of the season because of our roster and high draft pick, we will be a desirable job. We could get a marquee head coach with a fresh start to make one of the biggest choices in the history of our franchise - not a coach that is one foot out the door.
Good post. Yeah makes sense to be scared of that. Gase is a lame duck coach. So to soften this, maybe keep RT and the rookie?
IM extremely unhappy with the team right now. I blame a lot of this at gase's feet. That said he gets one more year without all the issues we had this year. If I'm ross I explain to the organization we need an established DC and Possible OC to help Gase out. Burke goes away. Gase gets to have his input in the Draft especially at QB which is supposed to be his forte. If we have a bounce back season at 9-7 10-6 he gets his 4th year. If not hes gone.
I was gonna make this its own post, but it kinda fits here. I think the Eagles are the new model for finding a QB. Everyone thinks that they are smart and drafted Went, but that is not all they did. They set themselves up to be successful. Remember, they had Bradford on the roster, signed Chase Daniel for big money, and traded up for Wentz. Overkill, yes. But, they gave themselves three QBs. Just one of them needed to pan out. Had Wentz needed more time, fine, they were prepared for that. If Bradford played lights out, he woulda been their QB. Having multiple solid QBs on your roster is a high quality problem. Philly made out like bandits when Bridgewater got hurt. QBs get hurt every year. If we have multiple, they will eventually come calling, and we can make a deal once we have the chance to evaluate the talent on our own teams. I say we keep RT, draft a QB, and acquire a vet (Keenum, Bridgewater, Foles). Then we just let it play out. If the rookie is struggling, Keep RT. If the rookie beats out RT, trade RT. If the Vet beats them all out, trade RT. This method gives everyone in the franchise (coach, QB, GM) a real chance to succeed.
We don't need this kinda talk around here! We are still making the playoffs! That or RT will lead us there next year! The O- line is not the problem!
Before i agree with this post I want to know if you're saying draft the QB with the first pick or not?
tirty8 the problem is our line isn't any good. Outside of Tunsil since hes young I believe we need an entire new unit of men. We need to move on from Pouncy as well trade him if he has ANY value. Draft 2 Lineman and go crazy on free agent lineman. No QB would be successful behind this line.
I 100% agree with you.... I have been riding that train until tonight. I thought that we should draft an OL no matter what with the first pick... Then I saw that we currently have the 7th pick in the draft. I think we may very well lose out and have a top 5 pick. In one of the best QB classes in years, we could get the 2nd or 3rd best. It makes me sorta rethink things. Maybe QB in the first and draft OL in the 2nd and 3rd. I think Darnold is going to be special in the pros (just my two cents). But if there is a guy you feel strongly about, isn't the move to take the QB and find a way to get the linemen? I like the way you think. This would be a difficult decision.
The Eagles were able to make that trade because of the Shurmur connection, but I get your point. The Seahawks are a good example too. I’ll add that I wouldn’t hold onto RT if the difference between his dead money and his salary could land us important free agent signings.
If a coach can't adapt, then I don't want them as a coach. **** this "system" nonsense, it's players that make the plays. If they can't do that, then they aren't a "marquee" coach.
I think any marquee coach would like to pick his own player. High draft picks get forced on a coach. Very quickly, things can turn into "that's not my guy."
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush- I want you to remember me saying that in six months and one year from now for two reasons. #1- Gase isn't going anywhere and Ross has complete faith in him at this point. Ross also has many of the best minds in football advising him that Gase has done everything right this season with what he's had to work with. The only thing that's even questionable is Cutler- but if you call Cutler a bad move, then you need to show a free agent that was signed that's done better than Cutler....and you can't since that person does not exist. So no matter what, even if we lose the last 5, Adam Gase is our coach for 2018. #2- If Gase is a failure, he's going to have a losing record next season as well. So one year from now, we'll undoubtedly know who was right and who was wrong in this argument. I'd bet the farm that we're back in the playoffs next season with Tannehill. As for the rest of your post, I have no problem at all taking a QB in round 1. In fact, I think it's the smart move if there's not a stud RB or skill player on the board. But even if you're 100% right and I'm 100% wrong, look at Gase's track record with QB's.....including Cutler and Tannehill. Has he made RT better? YES. Is Cutler better now than he was in week one? YES. So I really think you're inventing problems that don't exist here. It's not like we have a coach that will tell his mobile running QB to never leave the pocket, or a coach that will tell a big-arm QB that sucks at touch passes to throw 20 touch passes a game. Even if Gase is gone in 2019, our rookie QB will benefit from a season with him. And if we end up drafting the next Marino, then I'm sure the next coach will not be upset inheriting that problem.
There is something to be said about the salaries On this team. Start there and if its understood how spreading the wealth across the team, if correctly done, makes a over all better team. What is there now 1/3 Of all money paid out tied up In 5 or 6 players. Off the top of my head 80m in Suh, Tannehill, cutler, jones, pouncey and wake. If for example 15 m of that money was spent out along the offensive line for example, the average player would be better. Better players make a better offensive line. Tunsil is the only one id even keep and he is over paid. Think I'm full of **** - Rob Gronkowski , best tight end in the league got 6.5m.
About the only thing that gase has proven he can do well is coach QBs. I think he is good as a QB coach, but not as a head coach, at least not yet. He is way too young and inexperienced to have been considered a good candidate for head coach in the NFL.
It is really hard to say. The worst thing Ross did to this team was bring in Tannenbaum who is directly responsible for the talent or more correctly lack of talent this team has. What is hard to gauge is we can't see the playbook and we are not in practice to know for sure if the.culture even exists
Cutler is definitely playing far worse this year than he played with Gase just 2 years ago, and it's not like he was on a great team back then either. Cutler had a 92.3 rating in 2015 with a 6-9 record as starter while he's at 82.7 so far this year with a 4-5 record. And while you're right about Cutler playing real well just a few games ago, he played like crap most recently right before the concussion. Also, let's not forget that while Tannehill had a 93.5 rating in 2016 under Gase with an 8 game stretch where he had a 100.13 rating, Tannehill in 2014 without Gase had a 92.8 rating including an 8 game stretch (games 4-11) with a 102.37 rating, so Gase didn't get Tannehill to perform way beyond what he had already demonstrated. It's taking some time, but Gase's track record with QB's is starting to show he's probably nothing special in this regard.
The worst thing Ross ever did this team was bring in Tannenbaum. I don't care what coach we bring in until we fix the roster this team's going nowhere . Gace Is hard to evaluate we can't see the play book were not in practice we don't know what culture hes brought in ,if any , what we see is a disaster of a team Who barely can compete on Sunday I personally wouldn't have hired Gace I said when he was hired that it was the wrong move. A lot of fans are so desperate to win we just go with whatever moves Ross makes. Reality is were the fans. we have very little say in anything. the only thing we can do is stop going - which is what I've done. until they put it good team together again I'm sitting in the background.
There you go with your stats again that ignore important variables. For instance, what's the league average for a retired 2nd string QB who didn't attend training camp and happens to have cracked ribs, had to travel over 3k miles their first four weeks AND lost their WR1, RB1 along with two starting linemen while starting the year with a top five strength of opponents? Oh, and be sure to factor in refs directly giving their opponents two wins as well due to horrible calls- I'm sure there are hundreds of examples out there that meet that exact criteria. For stats to be objective, you have to look at all the variables. Yet you make it sound like because the 2015 Bears weren't that great, it's an apples to apples comparison. And I'm sorry, it's just not.
Yeah well I think you were predicting Cutler would perform real well this season under Gase when he was signed precisely because he was already familiar with Gase's system. That was all before the cracked ribs. And of course Cutler proceeded to play like a washed out QB for quite awhile before getting better a few games ago. So if you're going to stay consistent with your own evaluation, you'll have to admit Gase isn't as good as you thought he'd be. That, or you'll have to admit your evaluation of Cutler was wrong.
I thought Cutler would play well- there aren't many here who didn't. But we had no idea that he didn't know the system at all and that he was completely out of shape. Then again, we also heard that Ajayi and Parker were in awesome shape and turning in great camps...look how reliable that turned out to be. But on top of all of that, I also said form day one that Moore should start. I can't help that we were deceived on Parker, on Ajayi and on Cutler. That's the trinity of any offense, QB1 RB1 and WR1...and they've all disappointed this year. Of the three though, Cutler has clearly been the most reliable.
Here is the funny thing. Miami's a team that need to resolve this qb issue asap, long term. Tannehill is a short term fix. His upside has been reached. Now if Gase and Co select a qb in 2018, and the kid is playing poorly, then you draft another in 2019. Even if Gase stays in 2019, Miami must solve this problem. Maybe the pick isn't as high or maybe a trade or a free agent, but Miami's next qb and coach combo will be the key to their success
I love it. Posted this in a thread I just started. We need a QB plan. We don't have a QB plan. Additionally, we botched our own QB plan that we didn't have by not making T-hill have surgery last year. So our nonexistant plan that we didn't have got worse because the magical fairies that we were going to fart out didn't fix T-hill's knee. So the plan that we know we didn't have was for our injured QB to come in and be the starting QB from day one and take all the snaps/hits and keep him free from injury via a combination of a homeless Haitian named Marv with a publix bag of cheetos and a pawned orange bedazzled shakeweight. We did all of this while also not recruiting any QB via draft or FA that was un upgrade to Moore who had just lost us the Steelers game due to his hands being evidently made of otter vagina thus the fumbleitis.
