Can we now agree that Moore is a solid D grade when asked to QB?

ya so why did you bring up coaches with great records and superbowls? im I missing something here?

 

Sigh.

If you're missing the point then you're purposely missing it.

Most of those coaches had a lot of those awful seasons BEFORE they became SB winners.

 

why don't you go more recent? why? because coaches get fired. you are comparing a different timeframe. What happened with Jeff Fisher? I'm sure Marvin Lewis is next to go. But the norm is 3-4 years of losing records and you are out.

 

This is Gase's 2nd year, Genius.

 

you keep thinking Gase and Tannehill is that winning combo. You are love mediocrity, I can sure tell (wink wink)

 

and I think he gets another year. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he was fired. Point is, your list of coaches have NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY'S FOOTBALL AND WAS A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO SHOW RICKY UP, WHICH YOU CAN'T

 

Tell you what, I'm feeling generous today...if you want to try and make that insult again, but this time in English, I'll let you.

 

In the 70's and 80''s, because that is super relevant today. Back then they weren't promoting OC and DC's left and right, weren't worried about college coaches, and probably cared about someone's career more. But hey, you feel ok about examples 40 years ago? go right ahead

 

aww, are you going to ban me because we all disagree with you? I've seen 3-4 posters here just tear you apart. lol

 

Yelling now? Interesting.

The point was simple, Ricky/You, would have fired Belichick. Instead of Cleveland being the perennial winners, the Pats are. That is the level of your guys overreaction and insanity.

You both want to emulate the Browns. And you want to be like them so freaking bad that neither of you can go 15 minutes without screaming, crying, blubbering, insulting and vomiting your inane rhetoric all over this site.

 

Ban you?

Meds. Take your meds.

 

Belichick wasn't 40 years ago, Genius.

 

I didn't realize I had the caps on, until I hit post.

anyway, grammar police, I never said I would have fired BB, but if you knew football, which you don't, he was fired because of the entire move to Baltimore. Now that I have destroyed you, back to our regularly scheduled programs. bye!

 

Grammar police? Seriously, you're in rare form today. This is the least sense you've ever made.

So you think they would have fired BB had his record been better, just because they moved to another state?

 

I don't even know why im gonna do this but here we go:

Its funny to me how you left out the fact chuck Noll took over an 11 win in 3 year team and only took him 3 years to wint eh division from 72-79 he won 4 superbowls and 7 of 8 division championships after 3 years and from his first season as 1-13 season he got better yearly. just stop with your posts if your not going to post all the actual facts to make you look smart..... you just skipped over the power of his career after winning 4 superbowls you get a lot more leniency for a down year.

belicheck won 11 games and a playoff game then won 5 games the next year and got fired you just miraculously forgot to list the winning season even though the browns gm agreed with ricky and they fired him before they moved to Baltimore and that's after winning a playoff game.

landry - which you need to realize took over a new franchise so bad records are to be expected even then from the start he got better yearly then went on a super streak after his 5th year from 66-83 he avg 10 wins a yr roughly and he got fired when he started winning 7 games. 12 division titles only missed the playoffs once and won 2 super bowls in that 66-83 stretch.

walsh - took over a 2-14 team and won the super bowl in 3 yrs, then went 3-6 and after a superbowl your not gonna get fired, then he proceeded to not win less than 10 games a year and win 2 more superbowls. then he retired after a superbowl. im not understanding your logic do you really think any GM on this planet would ever fire a coach after winning a super bowl then having a down year the next year?

shula - well I shouldn't even go into this one you being a phins fan should say enough, but picking 2 years out of a 32 year career is like complaining you have a hot meal!!!!

what ricky is saying you shouldn't be going backwards your first years as a coach you should go up, you cant have our record last year and then com back and even if we go 6-10 which is going to be more like 4-12 or 5-11. If we would even go 8-8 this year he would be safe but going from 10-6 down to 4-12 isn't something people would deal with easily after not winning a division title or a playoff game or I should say any other franchise would deal with how long does an actual browns coach last 3 years avg? with a losing season every year? we had a winning season and now a losing one.

Look at Pederson him and gase started the same time, Pederson went 7-9 and now is 10-1, that's usually what a franchise is looking for when hiring a new coach however we seem to be ok with mediocrity and im sure you'll say well this and that happened and gase should be exempt, no he shouldn't he is the coach he is in charge of making players play and we clearly are not playing. I think if we lose to the donkies his name will really be up in the air. I do however think he will get another year and he will be fired next year when we go 8-8 and miss the playoffs again.

philbin took over a 6-10 team went 7-9, 8-8, 8-8 and got fired after a 1-3 start now you tell me how gase is any better, taking over a 6-10 team, going 10-6 and prolly 4-12 both with no post season wins, philbin won more games in 2 yrs than gase is going to in fact philbin will win more games in 3 years than gase will or they will be tied and everyone wanted philbin gone after a 1-3 start even the 8-8 year, but we cant peg anything on gase I seriously have a hard time seeing how anyone wanting gase fired is missing the target? its the same stuff we have seen the past how many years? we haven't lost as many games as we will this yr since 2007 when we went 1-15 we constantly win 7-8 games a yr and constantly go through coaches so I don't see how anyone wanting gase gone is missing the target personally.

 

I don't know, it was a different period of time. IT ISN'T TODAY'S FOOTBALL. You are comparing apples to oranges. You are a pitbull with a chew toy, let go. you have no basis

 

Yeah, completely different sport.....

 

Imagine what these guys (this guy?) could do with all that first round talent the Browns have.

 

besides Miami's FO? hahaha

 

Bill Walsh was 13-3 and SB Champions in year 3, how come you left that off?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/WalsBi0.htm

Chuck Knoll was 11-3 in year 4 and won 53 games in a 5 year span. How come you left that off?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/NollCh0.htm

Don Shula never went 6-8 and then 6-10
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ShulDo0.htm

After Landry went 5-8-1 he won 90 games in 9 season. How come you left that off?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/LandTo0.htm

 

Wtf are you talking about? Why would I include their winning seasons in a list of their losing seasons?
Practice thinking.

 

Moore has never been a starting caliber QB. The proof is he's never been a starting QB. Yes, some people make excuse for him, but he's been around a long time with 3 different teams and God knows how many different coaches and he's still never been the starter unless the real starter was injured.

FinD is right. People calling for the firing of Gase are being too shortsighted. The list of coaches he produced didn't come into the league and set it on fire. Some went to different teams, others had to have time to get their players, and others just needed the experience. Gase has yet to finish out his 2nd season. And frankly, after what this team has had to endure starting with RT going down, again, I don't care if we end up 4-12. I would not fire Gase. A HC, typically, needs 3-5 years to be properly evaluated. Like everything else, there are exceptions. However, Gase has shown what he can do with a fairly healthy roster, an above average QB, and a middle of the pack defense. This year he has had none of those things and I doubt Don Shula himself could have gotten this team over .500.

 

ok dan, but what about his inability to assess the "final 53." he said he didn't need linemen. he said he is tied to grier at the hip on the draft. the way the season ended last year, Forest Lamp was the obvious pick

 

prime example john harbaugh made it to the playoffs and won atleast 1 playoff game every year until they won superbowl in 2012 and followed up by 8-8 no playoffs, 10-6 beat pitt in the wild card, then a 5-11 now had that been any other team without the superbowl or the playoff wins would have his head on the block, even then ive heard through grape vines alotta people in Baltimore had been saying he should be gone this yr before they practice against MIAMI, and he by far is way more successful than any Miami coach since Shula.

 

perfect example

 

what about philly were the stacked or did Pederson make the right moves to make his team good? remind you they were a 7-9 team when he took over? they are 10-1 now gase got a 6-10 team we are 4-7.

 

Yeah, comparing Philly to Miami is a very fair comparison.

LMAO

 

actually it is. Philly turned things around in one season. year 2 has been great. They flooded their roster with qb's and gave themselves a chance to evaluate.

 

how isn't it? that's what im asking?

 

only way its not is the fact philly made splashes and Miami is still sittin loathing about last yrs playoff birth.

 

Because nothing about their situations is similar.

 

your right Pederson did take over a team with 1 more win the previous yr than gase.

 

One team didn't lose their starting QB in training camp is a good place to start with the differences.

Trying to say they're equal is silly.

 

ok what about Minnesota? they lost 2 starting quarterbacks lets hear this one not be the same?

 

and Dalvin Cook

 

I'm not so sure. I think RT did fine with the o-line last year after the team got over the initial learning curve and Gase dumped 2 losers. They did address OG last year. The Dolphins currently have 3 1st round picks on their o-line.

 

now dirty the argument wasn't rbs its all based on RT going down. lol

 

well we lost our back too. doesn't matter through injury or not

 

So your cutting all those players...and what happens if you cant sign Bree's or Cousins?

 

They lost Bradford, who posted a 124 passer rating in his first 2 games, and replaced him with Keenum who has posted a 96 passer rating.

The Dolphins lost RT (who posted over a 100 passer rating if you don't count the first 5 games last year, and a 94 if you do) and replaced him with Cutler who has posted an 82 rating and Moore who has posted a 75 rating.

See the difference?

Add to it:

Minny's defense #5 in the league.

Miami's defense #30 in the league.

As resnor wrote..."No comparison"