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Cam Cameron vs Adam Gase

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    2007 Points for 267
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    2007 Total offense 28
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  2. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Poor Cam Cameron. Was fired in his first year. I'm sooooooo sure there are so many here that wanted him to get his full three years like they want Gase to do after being as bad or worse in his second year. According to Fin D we should have kept him around as he'll no doubt have been inducted a HOF coach one day. We screwed up lol.
     
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  3. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    Come on man... This isn't a serious topic right? There is no way you actually believe this is a real bullet point?
     
  4. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    The outlook from this board is patience. But the team has been mediocre for 25 years. we have averaged 8.56 wins since 1991, not including this year. What makes anyone think we have the new Don Shula? The majority argue we lost our starting qb. Well that was our fault for letting that happen with no plan. To scramble and get someone out of retirement shows the incompetency. You MN was happy with Bradford and Bridewater? They weren't sure when Teddy would be ready, so they signed Keenum.
     
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  5. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Look it up. It's real. Gase is that bad. In some ways doing worse than the most worst and hated HC in Dolphins history.
     
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  6. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Yeah. It's like we're the White Sox before they won. Just another year. Hope we'll get better next year. It's like talking to Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh. We'll get there one day guys. Just wayyyyyyy too patient.
     
  7. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was actually trying to think of the silliest thread that could be started by the same few people, and I had not thought of this one. Kudos. Seriously, as bad a stretch on this board with these threads I may have ever seen! What topic will be next? Nothing, but nothing, will shock me or surprise me at this point. I feel bad for people who come and visit this site for the 1st time, look at just the thread titles, all started by the same few people and their tired repetitive narratives, and never come back because they were looking for good discussions or info....and instead got more of this nonsense
     
  8. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    I didn't mean that the stats were wrong, I mean that any context of the 2 situations makes the comparison... well... there actually isn't a comparison. I'm all for throwing out topics to start discussion, but this one just doesn't make sense.
     
  9. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    a few things I blame him for, that hasn't been mentioned is the lack of player development with Grant, Tunsil, Parker, Carroo and Howard. The FO drafted them, but the coaches haven't developed them.
     
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  10. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    What part doesn't make sense? Gase in his second year sucks almost/as much/more than Cam Cameron. He won three more games. I'll give him that. 4-12 is such an improvement on 1-15.
     
  11. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    A step back so soon is bothersome. But I need to stress that the team was complacent on issues they ended the year on, an unhealthy qb and a bad oline, ravaged by injuries. Also, when they made their run last year, Tunsil was a G. How did he perform last year (which games) was he a T at?
     
  12. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    These things I could honestly take part in the discussion. THIS should have been your post. The comparison of Cam vs Gase... I can't even get my head around the fact that someone might believe they are the same level.
     
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  13. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    it's all one mixed bag. Now if Ross is going to lay the hammer on Grier or Tannenbaum, don't you think those two will bring out the scoutng reports on all those players and throw Gase under the bus for not making them stars?
     
  14. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    3 years isn't being patient. 3 years is about the average time a coach in today's NFL gets. Cam was bad. There were many reasons why Cam was let go after one season. Cam didn't have the respect or trust of the players. Cam's players quit on him. These players, from all accounts, trust and respect Gase and have not quit on him.
     
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  15. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    change in ownership was a huge reason
     
  16. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I think it was Ireland that made the decision. I'd have to research that though because I've tried to forget a lot of that year. lol
     
  17. Dorfdad

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    Dear lord I didn't think it was getting that BAD! the last few weeks have reminded me eerily of days with Tony Sparano. I miss the fist bump on Field Goals. Be nice to at least get a few of those anymore!
     
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  18. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, but honestly I haven't been impressed with Tannenbaum's decisions at the time he has made a lot of them. If I'm seeing it this way, and I self admittedly am not an expert then there are 2 potential scenarios. 1. I'm completely wrong and he is making great decisions, or 2. I'm right and it doesn't take an expert to see that they didn't do a good job. As of right now evidence is pointing more to 2 then 1.

    This last draft was actually the 1st time under Tannenbaum that I walked away thinking we actually came out well with immediate starters and good depth additions. I think we fixed holes and gave our defense some youth to work with. If we continue having off-seasons like last years we will get better, and it won't be a "if we stay healthy" or "if we get an easier schedule" it will actually be cause we are a solid team with solid depth.

    This year sucked, and it feels worse then before, because we thought we were moving up to the next tier of teams that just seems consistently good. Truth is we aren't there yet. We need our FO to have good off-seasons for several years before we will be there. Till that happens we are ALWAYS an injury away from a bad season.
     
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  19. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    My point is that how will we spend the offseason with any modicum of positivity having watched this train wreck? How do we take this dumpster fire and say well, with Tannehill back we'll back to the playoffs? That seems absolutely fantasy land-esque. How does anyone have confidence that going into next year seeing what we've seen this year that we can succeed?
     
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  20. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    LOL well... I think we each have to find our own way to figure that out. For me, as I pointed out, I actually thought we had a good draft and an ok FA last year(minus panic mode signing of Cutler). If we have another one of those this year I will feel like we are that much harder to derail with an injury.

    I also have some faith in Tannehill, so if you don't, I completely understand your hesitance to be positive going in to next year.
     
  21. Fin D

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    And yet, that is precisely how MOST playoff teams handle things when they lose their starting QB.

    Nothing about our record and performance this year is out of line with teams that lose their starting QB to injury. That's the part that you're just not understanding or refuse to understand.
     
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  22. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    Minnesota has done quite well losing 2 starting qb's as well as possibly the rookie of the year dalvin cook!!
     
  23. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    There are always outliers. Cherry picking one out of a dozen isn't proving anything.
     
  24. Rickysabeast

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    Ok, so you think we're headed to the playoffs this year if we had T-Hill in each game?
     
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  25. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    I seriously have a hard time believing RT could have beat the ravens the saints or Carolina this year. He prolly would have beat the raiders and Tampa for sure, but I do not see just having RT or Rodgers squared as some people talk like he is winning 12 game or more next year. If anything this year was his year because all teams have been poor and he could of limped in the playoffs possibly with an 8-8 or 9-7 record, but here are next years opponents
    Home
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    Tennessee Titans
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    AFC West Same Place Finisher (Denver or oaktown)
    New England Patriots (Div.)
    New York Jets (Div.)
    Buffalo Bills (Div.)

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    Houston Texans
    Indianapolis Colts
    Green Bay Packers
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    AFC North Same PLace Finisher (browns or Cincy)
    NE Pats
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    now looking at those games how many of those is Gase/RT/FO really going to win based off what these teams are doing this year?

    I see possibly 8 wins like usual. I know this is way early but just giving an outlook on everything? if gase goes 8-8 next year is that time to start talking about letting him go or does he get 1 more year after that same with RT?
     
  26. Fin D

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    Yes, no question.
     
  27. texanphinatic

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    Bad case study. Not only are they defensively one of the best in the NFL, but Case Keenum is having an incredible outlier performance. There is not a person on Earth aside from maybe himself and his mother who thought he could produce this type of season. Now watch someone give him the bank and have him regress severely.

    Compared to us, we don't have the defense to overcome errors and put our offense in good position to succeed. And while, like them, are on starter 3 (counting Moore), they just haven't panned out.

    Honestly, we are more in line with Green Bay, not that THill was anything close to Rogers. GB has a decent to good defense, but it can't overcome general poor offensive performance.

    Trying to compare CC to AG is ... not a great effort really.
     
  28. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    I think we are competing in each game. I don't know that 1 player in or out can guarantee a win, even Aaron Rodgers loses games that on paper he shouldn't.
     
  29. bigballa2102

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    yo dirty where's the Denver thread? lol
     
  30. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    bY COMPETING DO YOU MEAN "SHOWING UP?"
     
  31. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    you have no basis for this. The offensive line and defense are still horrible
     
  32. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Really? So taking issue with the fact that we suck and being a proponent for positive change to ensure we go back to winning is ruining it? Sorry you have to adjust your homer lenses and accept the fact that we suck and if we don't do something different we'll still suck. We don't need to toe the company line here. Real fans want improvement when their team is lacking.
     
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    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    what do they want the conversation to be, optimism for next year? That's a typical Dolphan reply, wait till next year. Heads need to roll. JObs need to be lost and most importantly, every move should be a move to win a championship. Enough of the Ryan Tannehill can be elite and we can win Super Bowls. ENOUGH. The team is mediocre. And if everyone had this mindset, maybe stopped going to games, you'll see vast improvement
     
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  34. bigballa2102

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    seems to be the topic yearly just wait he will pan out just keep waiting, my point is, is if in 3 years we still are the same 8-8 9-7 team what's the difference of blowing the team up now or later besides missing on draft picks etc. i have not seen anything out of this team where i am like oh man we have something, ive seen us squeak by teams and let bad teams hang around games, this team with gase/RT/FO is going to be mediocre we may make the playoffs in a wild card but by no means run the table.
     
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    I think he's just pointing out it would be easier to parse the mains if each thread had a distinct topic instead of multiple threads talking about the same thing. That's one thing the mods could help out with if they have time or are willing to do so (that is, just collapse multiple threads into a single one if the topic is the same).
     
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    I don't get it. What if in 3 years we are 15-1, 14-2 and Super Bowl champions? You CANNOT make a decision based on your logic.

    It's not been a good season, nobody is arguing that. I think the thing we have to question based on a season and most of a second is ... which one seems more the norm, which seems more fluke? Considering the circumstances of this year, I'd lean toward last year being more real than this one.

    I keep bringing this up - Gase is young. Are we in a downward spiral, or on a bottom peak of a learning curve. If we jettison him and he goes elsewhere and kicks butt, the same people moaning about him now will be the first to cry about how we got rid of him too soon.

    Most coaches have a learning curve, most have struggles, most have bad years. It's not because they are bad coaches, it's because they had bad talent or bad circumstance.

    WILL Gase be a champion if we keep him? **** who knows, he might go 1-15. But I don't think he has warranted a clear consensus need to be fired after one fluky down year. Rapid coaching turnover is not a good way to run a franchise.
     
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  37. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    What like SUCKING? What else is there to talk about? John Denney's streak? The aqua vs. teal argument?
     
  38. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I hope we don't 4-12. I hope. But if we do, we'll have a consensus.
     
  39. Phins_to_Win

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    Not sure if my post might have been misleading. I meant had Tannehill played each game we would have been competing. My bad if that didn't come across right.
     
  40. cbrad

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    Well you do have to admit there are different topics, like on coaching, the QB, Ajayi, etc.. I think there are many times more threads than topics, even if in every case you think we're sucking lol (not saying that's inaccurate btw.. just commenting on the number of threads).
     

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