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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by REV KEV, Dec 29, 2007.

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  1. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    what make u say that i would much rather have Woodson or Colt Brennan in the Second
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you dont think the coaches who watch him practice day in and day out have a much better feel for whether he can be a good starter or is simply backup material
     
  3. Desides

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    Uh, he means that we're not taking a QB on the first day, so he's going to be disappointed if he expects something that's never going to happen.

    Kind of like wishing for a Ferrari for Christmas and getting underwear instead.
     
  4. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Assuming he is horrible enough to not have the it factor in practice then yes I suppose you are right.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I'm not sure Flacco is a Parcells type either but for a different reason namely he's a small school QB and Parcells prefers the big name colleges. You could be right about Flynn falling into that category. I have written him off because I dont think he'll be anything more than a backup but it doesnt mean others wont think he's better. Flacco's bank account is going to rise and fall based on his all star games and combine. Until he plays in them I dont know what people will thik of him.
     
  6. Silverphin

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    You don't think it takes more than one year, let alone three games and a quarter, to find out whether or not a quarterback, or any other player, to find out whether a quarterback is good or not?
     
  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    You have to admit Desides he looks tiny back there. More because of how skinny he is but I dont think he's really 6'2", more like 6'1"
     
  8. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    He's only two inches shorter than Tom Brady!

    Edit: Oh yeah. He really his 6'2"

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=14254
     
  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    The coaches should have an idea if he's progressing the way they had envisioned. If he is then he's safe. Unless they absolutely fall in love with another QB. Fans wont know how he's really doing but players and coaches will
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    Well hopefully his wife isnt too disappointed
     
  11. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    ......:001_rolleyes:
     
  12. Desides

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    No, not really. If he ever looked tiny, it was because he was buried under a pile of 300lb defensive linemen.

    Dude's bigger than Lemon, bigger than Brees, has the same physical characteristics as Trent Green. He's fine. The fact that he stood up to the beating he did tells me his physicality is not a problem.
     
  13. padre31

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    We should take a wait and see approach, if a QB slips to us at the beginning of a round, and we have him rated higher, we should not be afraid to pull the trigger and select him out of deference to John Beck.

    Poor Qb play, and relying on unknown Qb's has been a hallmark of the Fins for a decade, if a Qb slips, they should be on the menu in April.

    No way, not a chance..fougetaboutit should we even think about using the #1 pick on a Qb...not this year, this is the year of the DE and CB no Mannings or Rivers or Vicks this year, only projected Qb's....
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Yeah but we're talking about Parcells. He's already talked about the "volatility" of the QB position and has called Beck small himself. Granted he said you shouldnt throw QBs in before theiy're ready but he's going to evaluate him himself and Parcells rightly or wrongly has a preference for big players. Beck is really going to have to stand out in someway in Parcells eyes for him to feel comfortable with him. He's certainly not going to leave the position alone on blind faith
     
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  15. BSQ

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    We went through this with Ronnie until he busted out of being called a bust. Give Beck a running game, pass protection and some recievers who can catch and I'll bet he's a QB we all warm up to pretty darn fast. The kid is very accurate( when he has time) and he throws a nice deep ball and I think his size is less of a problem than I'm hearing on this forum. He should pound weights all off-season and get stronger all around. Then, if we have a running game, if we can pass protect and if we get some recievers who can catch the ball Beck will have his first chance to shine. HE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE YET!
     
  16. Passrusher

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    Face it people, we have had big stinking steamy piles of dung at the QB position since Marino retired. We're long overdue to find our franchise QB so we can actually go somewhere, move the ball and score points.
     
  17. Silverphin

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    But he also called him accurate in that same interview and even had praise for beck, right?
     
  18. Silverphin

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    Thank you!
     
  19. adamprez2003

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    Exactly, only Parcells knows what he's going to do and I would bet that even Parcells isnt sure at this point.
     
  20. Silverphin

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    Considering that Parcells even said he wished he can see Beck in the season finale, we can agree one this one.
     
  21. adamprez2003

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    Did he say that? I didnt know. Wow Cameron, better put him in the 2nd half
     
  22. padre31

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    Think it is Cam's last act of defiance Silverphin?

    It is not a bad idea if we pick a QB who slides IMO.
     
  23. Silverphin

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    I believe he did, in the sun-sentinel. COuld be wrong though.
     
  24. Bonedoc7777

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    parcells is going to get his QB
     
  25. vt_dolfan

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    I cant for the life of me understand how anyone can make any kind of decision one way or the other on Beck yet. Are people just completely insanse when it comes to the QB position in Miami.

    You cannot tie up tens of millions of dollars in a first round QB. Get over it....Beck is our guy.
     
  26. houtz

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    I think after last season NO ONE knows what we're going to do with that pick. That's why I wont be counting on anything. If we take Ryan with the 1st , I will be pleased. If we take Long/Gholston/Dorsey, I will be just as happy.

    Everyone brace yourself because anything can happen.
     
  27. phinfanuk

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    In regard to Beck's size, he reminds me a lot of Colt McCoy the year he took over from Vince Young. The next season he put a hell of a lot of weight on and looked a lot more solid. I was concerned over his build when I first saw him, but he'll improve.
     
  28. houtz

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    If Beck is being compared to Colt McCoy I DEFINITELY think we need to draft a quarterback.

    Colt McCoy?
     
  29. dabeastdabone

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    I really don't care to see us draft a QB but if we do so-be-it. If Beck beats him out good for Beck but that doesn't mean Beck keeps the job if he under performs in games. Everyone says competition is healthy and apparently having am aging QB (Green) and a lifetime 3rd stringer (Lemon) wasn't enough to push Beck forward. Frankly I think we, the message board people are wrong about 80% of the time anyway. How many people here only 4 months ago worshiped Cam? I know I have seen many, many posts only 3 months ago praising the Dolphins extending Muellers contract. I say this because IMO some of the names being tossed around for the first pick are laughable. The Dolphins should take THE PLAYER WHO IS THE LOWEST RISK AND LARGEST POSSIBLE IMPACT AT #1 REGARDLESS OF POSITION. IMO that isn't a lineman, who yes the line is very important BUT the Dolphins also have skill and leadership position holes as well to fix. So yes a QB should be considered because as of now that is a large gapping hole in the Dolphins as-is Running Back until Ronnie Brown PROVES otherwise for a season.

    And all this "Drafting a skill guy early is a bigger risk" is just BS. I've looked through years and years of Drafts and the percentages for Bust players is no better for a DE or Offensive Lineman than it is for RB or QB. The only difference is QB's and RB are names and faces we see almost everyday while a lineman (etc...) is about always forgotten. What matters is how smart the person doing the drafting and not the position.

    You guys might not be but I'm no longer interested in hearing or making excuses. I don't care if it is Parcells 1st year or Becks 1st year because all we seem to get are a bunch of "Next year" or "Give it time" reasoning from fellow fans and the Dolphins.
     
  30. dabeastdabone

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    Ahh, yeah I disagree. you think Parcells will set himself up to fail just because someone elses failed draft?
     
  31. pocoloco

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    I think Beck is exactly Parcells' sort of guy, character and hard-working, although we still can't expect him to start game one next season. who will is a huge question mark
     
  32. Jsbaugh

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    Cam is not playing Beck for one simple reason, he is hoping to save his job by winning. If this team was 4-11 then you would see Beck play, but the fact is 1 win still looks bad and Cam isnt worried about developing Beck right now.
    Cams draft decisions last year have nothing to do with Wayne bringing in Parcells. BP would probably be here if this team won 5 games. I personally think Cam is in over his head. Many of his game decisions and play calling have been horrible. Just for that reason I think he should probably get the can.

    Like I said I dont have a problem drafting another QB but not with the 1st pick. So many other issues to deal with first before QB.
     
  33. dabeastdabone

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    Man I'm disagreeing alot tonight, damn. There is no way to make the season look good period. At least if Beck was in the Draft would look like a winner.
     
  34. cheyannefan

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    In my opinion, if the front office feels that a guy like Matt Ryan can be THE guy, they will take him. It doesn't matter that we drafted Beck last year and he really hasn't had a chance to prove himself. ONLY Bill Parcells knows if HE thinks that Beck can be a great QB. If he feels that Beck is anything less than that, then he will draft a QB, no matter what your opinion is.
     
  35. houtz

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    :up:

    Great post man.
     
  36. TampaFinsFan01

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    I wouldn't doubt it. We never seem to do anything right. We obviously need a QB on day one, but we'll probably wait until the 7th round and draft this drafts "Josh Heupel". And in a few years, we'll be 1-15, needing a QB.
     
  37. SuperMarksBros.

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    Jake Long please
     
  38. REV KEV

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    I started this post by writing opinion..., my own feeling is the same as PADRE31 pick up a QB when he falls..., we sorely need a compettition at QB. I don't care... Boomer... if Beck is proven to be a waste of a second pick... which is currently undecided and I "real" possibility... Qbs fall like leaves in this league you cannot have a good enough stable of them...
     
  39. fastball83

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    parcells will pick up a vet QB in FA, not in the draft IMO.
     
  40. REV KEV

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    It's clear after todays performance that Beck is very "raw" and I think CamRam set him up by telling him he wouldn't get in any games this year so Beck clearly didn't prepare from the get-go... Beck mentally is not there... He should have been ready to go today from the starting whistle...

    CinCin is not even a respectable "D" so don't be writing about how he engineered his first tw drives while the game was well in hand for Cincy..., or all the crap about how he doesn't have any tools... Dropping that "ball" on first down was inexcusable...

    We don't have a QB... We start from scratch again...
     

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