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Scenario Question - First Round QB

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Let's say the Dolphins decided to draft a QB in the first round - what QB would you be okay with the Dolphins taking?

    Some are expecting an early run on QB's (what a shock 0_o) with Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold and Allen generally expected to be gone before 11, maybe more, although some think Jackson, Rudolph and Faulk available close to 11.

    For sake of argument, like it or not, if the Dolphins are taking a QB in the first round, what would you consider to be the best realistic scenario?

    For example, would you be happy with Jackson at 11, or selling the whole draft to just move up and grab Rosen (if possible), or else, trading down and grabbing someone in the lower first, and if so, who?

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. DHitchens

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    Just as a general practice, I think you should refrain from drafting a quarterback in the first round when you already have an average one, unless you think that quarterback can be one of the top five in the league. If you’re looking for only a backup quarterback, better to draft one in about the fourth round.
     
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  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Not to be a complete curmudgeon but please read the OP. Please. Please.

    The whole point of this thread is to ASSUME that they do. It's a thought exercise. Questions about whether or not a team should draft in the first round couldn't be less relevant.

    Have another go maybe?
     
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  4. Fin D

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    This is tough for me...

    Baker Mayfield is by far the most talented QB in the draft and has the highest ceiling....but he could also crash burn off the field.

    I would take Mayfield with the hopes that Gase is the right guy to keep Mayfield's head on straight.
     
  5. Galant

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    If he isn't expected at 11 and you're getting him in the first do you move up, and if so, how much of the draft do you mortgage, or do you let him go? If so, who else do you pick up?
     
  6. zatrex99

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    Mayfield is the only QB I would take in the first round, and we'd have to move up to get him. Say Cleveland's pick at #3.

    He'll be in between a Drew Brees and Russell Wilson as a starter, and to me that's worth our first rounder this year, and our first rounder next year, and possibly our 2nd rounder. Worth it finally get that franchise qb.
     
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  7. invid

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    The only scenario I can think of is if a) one of the top four guys you named falls and the Dolphins love him. I just think they have enough confidence in Tannehill's return to not trade away the farm to move up to get somebody.

    Neither do I think they would trade down just to select a QB. There's going to be some talented guys pushed to 11 because of the QB grab at the top of the draft.

    I have my doubts about Jackson. He is incredible running with the ball and has an incredibly live arm, I just worry about his frame in the NFL and everything between his ears.

    I think the QB with the MOST upside in the draft is Josh Allen, crazy size with a lot of room to grow. He would be the one guy in the first round that might take a drop too. If the Phins pick a QB in the first, then that slaps, at most, a 4 or 5-year lifespan on Tannehill as a Miami Dolphin. I think Josh Allen would be the guy if the Dolphins are doubtful about Tannehill.
     
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  8. bigballa2102

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    I would go for Mayfield, rosen and darnel are busts, allen looked good. If we could move up I would to get Mayfield but I guarantee the browns take him. but they have really been bad at picking qb's and if rosen or darnel are going there they prolly stay one more year. so I would say Mayfield or allen are gone in the top 2 picks if not both.

    or I would wait and grab falk at 11, but at that time I wouldn't draft a qb I would go for a lb at #11
     
  9. Galant

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    For those who really don't want to move up for a QB or at 11, what about attempting to get a solid backup for Tannehill lower in the first and getting a draft pick or two later on?

    If so, what QB would you be happy taking lower down in the first?
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    Josh Allen if we traded down to 20 or so. Guy reminds me a little of marino. He's tough to scout though due to the competition he faces. Hopefully he'll be in some all star games
     
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  11. bigballa2102

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    Allen will go top 10 I would assume Rosen and darnel come back to avoid the browns, essentially the browns could take 2 qbs in the top 4 picks, since they have struck out so many times I mean who knows lol
     
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  12. KeyFin

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    I don't watch college enough to pick a QB, but I could see a scenario where we give up Landry and a 2nd to hop up a few spots. With two first rounders, I could see grabbing a QB and a TE.
     
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    I' assuming Darnell and rosen come out. If they don' you're probably right about allen. If they do come out he could slip tonthe 20s due to the boom or bust nature of the pick imo. This isnt a guy who has alot of film against SEC defenses
     
  14. bigballa2102

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    neither did wentz, after watching him in the bowl game, he is easily better than Rosen or Darnel based off release, decisions and accuracy. IMO both darnell and rosen are busts and I would strongly disagree if Miami went with either one of them.
     
  15. texanphinatic

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    No offense to anyone and maybe it's an autocorrect or something, but if people can't even get a person's name right (unless it's a wacky spelling), it's hard to take opinion seriously about that player.

    It's Darnold. Sam Darnold. Not Darnel, Darnell, etc.

    I am not a Mayfield guy at all, Manziel 2.0 to me, perfect for the Brownies. I'd be good with Darnold and Rosen who are consensus top guys right now. Allen is interesting - not a polished as Carson, but he has all the tools. A good offseason here and he could fly up the boards.

    The X Factor will be Jackson. He has detractors, but also a lot of success and the dude is going tear up the offseason stuff. Do you want to pass on Deshaun 2.0? Vintage Vick 2.0?
     
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  16. KeyFin

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    I'd love a Vick-like quarterback...they are easily the most exciting type to watch. My only problem with that is they don't seem to last since they take a lot more hits than the average QB. But if we drafted a guy like that...I'd love watching him develop.
     
  17. shamegame13

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    Vick, Watson, even Robert Griffin and Vince Young all looked impressive in their rookie seasons. No reason to think Lamar Jackson will need that much development. I am 100% against taking any “raw, developmental” QB in the first round. We all see how that goes. I do not want any late rising post combine QBs either. We all see how that goes. Give me the production please.
     
  18. Phin McCool

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    Mayfield for me. Happily, we tend to get a lot of college games broadcast live in the UK and out of the top 3 of him, Rosen and Darnold, Mayfield is the one that gets me most excited when I see him play. Granted he has had some off-field issues but I think he would be the best fit in a Gase offence. If we were to draft lower and miss out on any of the marquee QB's, I would definitely go Jackson over Rudolph and Faulk.
     
  19. Dorfdad

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    Meh at 11 were really crap shooting. I don't see this organzationtaking a QB at 11 (not worth it as the top 3-4 will be gone) They shoudl probably use it on defense or Oline to be honest. Grab a prospect in 4th-5th
     
  20. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Shouldn't be if, I feel like they should draft one. We have other holes but it is such an important position. See: Packers getting Rodgers while still having Favre. Nothing against Tannehill, but he is no Favre anyway. We have yet to see him in a playoff game (though we likely would have last season), and he's coming off back-to-back knee injuries. Plus he'll need a backup anyway. How much longer are we keeping Moore?
     
  21. DHitchens

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    My apologies. Per the topic, the only QB I'd draft in the first round if I were the Dolphins is Baker Mayfield. I don't think any of the rest of them will be any better than Tannehill.

    And I would trade whatever it took to move up to get him.
     
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  22. Fin D

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    Read the OP and try again.
     
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  23. Galant

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    Who do you want them to take and where?
     
  24. Galant

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    How much of the draft would you be willing to mortgage in order to get Mayfield?
     
  25. Dorfdad

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    I did but I don’t think anyone worth the risk of a number 1 is worth it. But I’ll play the game. We would need to move up to to Cleveland’s spot I think it’s 3 or 4 to grab one.
     
  26. Galant

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    Would that be your only option - move up, or would you be willing to trade down to grab a backup project and gain some extra picks?

    Either way - who would you pick?
     
  27. Phin McCool

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    I'd bet the house on him to be honest. I see him as someone with a big future in the NFL and a QB we could build around. Guess that marks me down as someone who doesn't have that much faith in RT but blah, y'know....
     
  28. canesz06

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    Mayfield will not be a good NFL qb. I think the Dolphins can get Logan Woodside in the second round. He's the only qb id what them to take. How many of you actually watch college football? Do you have any reason why you want Mayfield other than he won the heisman and you hear his name a lot on ESPN? Same for Darnold and Rosen.
     
  29. Phin McCool

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    I watch it all the time. I often stay up til 0430-0500 to watch the Canes. Predicted to all and sundry that Deshaun Watson would set the NFL alight and got roundly laughed at.
    :jt0323:
     
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  30. Boik14

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    I’ve been on the Rosen bandwagon for a year and no sign of hoping off. He’s the best QB prospect I’ve seen since Luck. There’s very few flaws outside of his injury history and maybe some who don’t like his opinionated ways. You’re talking about a guy who has teammates that love him and shows a never quit mentality. He can make throws that no other QB in this draft has been asked to make and do it accurately. His surrounding talent is not equivalent to Darnold or Mayfield at all. That’s a 2 win team without him as we will soon see. He will be gone by 11 though (Hope the NYG take him at 2, I’d like to continue to root for him and keep him away from the Jets).

    Josh Allen is not a top 50 pick to me. His accuracy is not NFL caliber at this point. I watch him and I see another Kyle Boller right now. He COULD develop but I’m not taking that chance at 11 or even in round 2 (at our pick). He may go in round 1, but I hope it’s too a team I don’t like.

    I like Mayfield and Darnold though I think both have some cleaning up to do. Mayfield I worry less about his “antics” and more about how he will perform vs actual defenses. They don’t play that in the Big12. I also worry about his frame at the NFL level and how he can take punishment. Notice I say frame and not height as I think his release point will be good enough. Darnold has to make fewer silly mistakes and make better reads. If either was there at 11 I’d take him and trade Tannehill hopefully for more picks this year and next year.
     
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  31. vmarcilfan75

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    Rosen and Mayfield
     
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    You just hate USC lol.
     
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    My dream would be to see Rosen go from our same High School(SJB) to my favorite college(UCLA) to my favorite NFL team(MIA).
    That would be amazing to me! I would be so bummed if he ends up a Jet
     
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    haha so true...never liked Bush here.
    He may end up being good but with recent history, besides Palmer, sc Qbs have been average at best.
     
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  35. canesz06

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    DeShaun Watson really hasn't done anything in the NFL yet. He got hurt, played about a half a season and is about .500.
     
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  36. Rock Sexton

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    They should strongly consider taking one. Tannehill's now on the other side of 30. IMO he'll need at least a year to get timing/rhythm back.

    Ultimately, the future needs to be accounted for and the "he just needs more time" argument is unacceptable at this stage. Not to mention drafting a QB provides insurance.
     
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  37. Rock Sexton

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    He looked good once he hit stride. The question is would NFL teams have adjusted to him in year 2?
     
  38. canesz06

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    I guess we'll see next year
     
  39. Sceeto

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    I would go Mayfield or Allen. No chance Mayfield is there when we pick. Allen may be and I would be happy with that choice.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    I've only seen 2 UCF games this season but I was incredibly impressed with McKenzie Milton....especially in that UCF/USF game. His deep passes look effortless and he's a true dual threat. Then again, I don't know if he's coming out this season....but what do you think of him?

    Here's some highlights for those who haven't seen much of him-

     
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