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A Tale of Two Lines

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    For years the Dolphins Offensive Line has been the target of criticism as high draft picks have been thrown at the position without the results such investment should return. This year the OL is again at the front of draft discussions with guard being the particular focus. The OL seems to be a puzzle that various Dolphins FO's can't solve.

    Now flip the picture over to the Dolphins biggest obstacle for AFC success, the hated New England Patriots. Just as the Pats are the mirror opposite of the Dolphins in terms of general success and stability, so too is their offensive line. The Patriots have again stormed to AFC dominance in part behind an over-achieving, mostly "no-name", line.

    LT - Nate Solder - 2011 1st round pick at 17. Their biggest name.
    LG - Joe Thurney - 2016 3rd round pick at 78.
    C - David Andrews - 2015 Undrafted FA selection.
    LG - Shaq Mason - 2015 4th round pick at 131.
    RT - Cameron Flemming - 2014 4th round pick at 140.

    Meanwhile for the Dolphins:

    LT - Laremy Tunsil - 2016 1st round pick at 13.
    LG - Ted Larsen - 2016 FA Trade from Bears (originally 2011 Patriots 6th round pick at 205)
    C - Mike Pouncey - 2011 1st round pick at 15.
    RG - Jermon Bushrod - 2016 FA Trade from Bears (originally 2007 Saints 4th round pick at 125 - And a tackle.)
    RT - Ja'Wuan James - 2014 1st round pick at 19.

    So for the Dolphins that's 3 first round selections and two veterans in via trade (from the Bears). That's a massive investment over the Patriots who have drafted their entire line, with only one first round selection, mostly all recent, and one un-drafted.

    Of course, the Patriots excel at finding value in the draft, so the pure talent gap might not be as big as the draft position different might suggest, nevertheless, that cannot excuse the performance difference between two lines with those selections.

    So while talent/poor selections might be part of the issue, it can't explain all the difference.

    What can?

    Well, here's what may well be a big part of it - coaching.

    We're all aware of the Dolphins recent drug/prostitution scandal with their OL coach. He was, by many accounts, a respected OL coach. I'm not very familiar with his history, or how he earned that reputation, but the Dolphins OL performance and that scandal certainly wouldn't indicate that (unless the Dolphins are in the sad position of his actually having had them over-achieve... please let it not be true). Whatever the case, the current scenario for the Dolphins OL coach and the performance is one of hidden scandal (Gase unaware of what was going on), and the OL not doing brilliantly.

    Now let's flip the page over to the Patriots and that over-achieving line of theirs:

    Here's an interesting portrait of New England's OL coach. He's the longest serving coach with any NFL franchise. Aged 68 he came out of a two year retirement to replace DeGuglielmo whom the Pats ditched following their meltdown in Denver.

    "Three days after Scarnecchia's 68th birthday this past February, the longtime O-Line coach agreed to come out of a retirement that lasted two years. The Pats had fired his replacement, Dave DeGuglielmo, in the wake of the meltdown at Denver in the AFC Championship game. Injuries contributed to the struggles, but the line was an unmistakable mess."

    Consider the following:

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    ""Coaching is the highest form of teaching," Braden explained. "You not only teach athletic skills and techniques, you can teach respect for authority, self-control, you can teach courage to kids...Dante and Jimmy are two of the guys who could do that.""

    "He also works really damn hard. Scarnecchia often beats Bill Belichick to the office in the morning, akin to beating Usain Bolt in the 200. Belichick told The Boston Globe's Ben Volin that Scarnecchia gets to the stadium at 4:30 a.m. His energy level, as Patriots tackle Nate Solder put it, is "incredible." At age 68, Scarnecchia lifts weights, runs and swims. He stays busy."

    "Even during his brief retirement, he served as a consultant for the Pats, traveling the country to scout potential offensive linemen. He put Shaq Mason through a rigorous workout at Georgia Pro Day in 2015.
    "He made me get after it," Mason said.
    Former Patriots great Damien Woody will never forget his pre-draft meeting with Scarnecchia, either.
    They sat down, one-on-one, and Scarnecchia put on the tape of a game Boston College-Syracuse game, by far the worst of Woody's exceptional college career. They went through every play. This was not enjoyable.
    "Why did you do this?" Scarnecchia asked him. "What did you do wrong here?'"
    And so went Woody's first few years in New England. Scarnecchia pressed Woody on every little detail, every nuance.
    "The way my career turned out," Woody said, "I give Dante a lot of credit for building that foundation."

    Former players marvel at Scarnecchia's precision, intensity, and attention to detail. As is usually the case in New England, current players hesitate to say much. They would prefer to listen.
    "Just getting an opportunity to learn from someone like that, you just try to soak it all in," said Patriots center David Andrews.

    The turnaround of the offensive line has been one of the major developments of the 2016 season. Last week Brady said the line has "really been the strength of our offense." It has not been perfect, as the Texans bested the interior and pressured Brady in the divisional round game, but overall it has been more than sufficient."

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    Do yourself a favour and read the whole article. It's interesting and an easy read. Seriously. Read it.

    Of course there are lots of things that factor into OL performance and how it's measured. Brady's ability to get the ball out quickly will reflect well on the OL etc. However, all considered, and listening to the voices out there, the New England OL performs well, and that is all the more impressive considering how they piece it together, change it around, and make it work.

    The Dolphins' line doesn't.

    And in considering that difference, especially for the unit in football that most relies on cohesion and teamwork, this night-and-day difference between the coaches in question, leads me to believe that the most important thing for any team to build success, including the Dolphins, is the foundation of quality coaches.

    Legends like Scar seems to be don't come along all that often, of course, nevertheless, from the Patriots, to the NBA's Spurs, and any other dominant franchise, one thing you'll find is that there is a team of under-the-radar, talented, hard-working coaches making the magic happen to turn underdogs into over-achievers.

    Let's hope the Dolphins will be able to tell that story too, some time soon.
     
  2. Fin D

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    People think the only way to fix the line is to spend high draft picks. They also think you need a great line.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the line is 5 positions that act as one. Because of that, you don't need great play from an individual lineman, you just need solid play. See, in any other position the difference between bad to good to great players looks like this:

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    But because olinemen work as a unit, the chart looks a little different when we look at the difference in bad to good to great players:

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    The point is, when it comes to the performance of the line, you won't be able to see much difference overall, between good and great players. You will however, see the difference between good and awful players, as it is steep drop off in play.
     
  3. KeyFin

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    As I said in another thread, Brady was 7th of the most sacked QB's this season. Cutler was 30th (Miami was 22nd overall across 3 QB's). Another interesting note- we gave up zero sacks in weeks 6, 10, 11, 16 and 17, and we had two 1-sack games in weeks 5 and 9. The worst stretch of the season was weeks 1-3 where we gave up 2, 3, and 4 sacks respectfully...which we'll get to in a moment.

    Also, Drake was 5th overall in yards per carry across the league at 4.8. Doin Lewis in NE was 2nd at 5.0. Oh, and Ajayi was 46th out of 48 overall at 3.4 per carry. So in the run game, we literally went from best to worst and that carried over on passing downs as well.

    Combine these stats and I don't see the offensive line meltdown that some are claiming here- I see a team that's protecting the QB and giving the RB holes to work through. The big difference here is pre-Drake where Ajayi gave up multiple free hits on Cutler and refused to run anything up the middle- Drake/Williams gave up zero sacks on the season and they were beautiful picking up the blitz. So a lot of the "terrible line" stuff comes down to Ajayi...not the actual line.

    Now, that doesn't mean we couldn't benefit from an upgrade at guard- but we're already top 5 in rushing and bottom five in sacks. The idea that we have to spend a 1st round pick to "salvage" our offensive line is silly. Without Ajayi on the field, we have one game the entire season where we gave up three sacks (week 15 at Buffalo in the freezing cold). I just can't see the horrible line others are describing here.
     
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  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Pretty sure the major point of the entire post was that spending high pick ISN'T the solution...
     
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  5. KeyFin

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    Well, you have to have the facts right before you can draw actual conclusions- and the facts that have been presented alluded to Pouncey, Tunsil and James not being productive linemen. Take your opening statement-

    The truth is that it has been a solid return on investment at center and both tackles from 1st round picks, and we've done pretty good in free agency in recent years as well. Post-Ajayi, we had one of the better lines in the league in 2017 yet the perception never changed- if we lost, it was automatically assumed that the line sucked. That's just not true.

    Our line is opening holes in the run game. Our quarterback had one of the better pockets in football. That's a pretty darn good investment. I do agree with you that talent can be found up and down throughout the draft, but your comparison to NE is invalid because our line has outperformed them all year long after we got rid of Ajayi.

    It would be like saying that NE's safety is obviously better than Reshad Jones because they have a better W/L record, when you're not actually looking at anything safety-related. That's how line discussions happen on this site though and it is wildly inaccurate.
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is the thing. Miami did not have that bad of line play. Most of the bad line play were miscommunications rather than a player just not being good enough.
     
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  7. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I hate to nit pick but you'll notice that in that quote you cited I said "for years", which is accurate. Miami has had OL issues for a while. In other posts (which I'm not expecting you to have read - and perhaps I should have mentioned it) I've pointed out that I was pleasantly surprised last season when the OL took a hit in injuries and still performed quite well. That opened my eyes to the reality that whereas in previous years the OL was poor and would have collapsed with the injuries, now it was holding up - and so realised that talent might not be the issue and that scheme or coaching could do wonders. Which made sense.

    This year, we've had some good performances from individuals and a decent performance from the team, however, there's still talk about needing to upgrade the Guard position and possibly move on in terms of the center position with Pouncey's performances not as great as the y were. In making a comparison between the talent we have on this line vs. that of New England's, my point was that it would be reasonable to expect better from our line. The difference, I assert, is coaching and scheme.
     
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  8. Boik14

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    It’s not that it’s the only solution but if that’s the best player on your board then it’s silly not to stay true to your board.
     
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  9. KeyFin

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    I completely agree with you- that's just not what you said to start this conversation and I didn't want it to be derailed with a typical "the whole line sucks" type of attitude some of the others will surely bring.

    New England has showed that you can win with an average line AND our line clearly out played New England's. That means there are problems elsewhere (pre-snap penalties, inconsistent QB play, dropped passes, playcalling, etc) that are holding the offense back. Those are the real problems the team needs to fix this offseason.
     
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  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I'm pretty sure that is why I said. But no point in harping on about it. The point is that I believe the Dolphins line hasn't been dominant, can be better, could be great, but I believe that to get there will take better coaching or scheme in that area then we've had.

    They haven't been awful the last year or so, but I'm not satisfied with that. I really want to see a Dolphins line that bullies people and owns the lines.
     
  11. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Geez. Who said anything about drafting BPA? I said that fixing OL issues isn't about spending high draft picks. It's about cohesion. Do you disagree?
     
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  12. Boik14

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    No i agree. I wouldnt pass on an OL because of it though was my point.
     
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  13. ripper1961

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    One roster update has us with five tackles, also listing Larsen as center ,which he played. Asiata and Davis at guard. What the hell happened with Asiata? We have some young oline players why couldn't they get in the lineup?
     
  14. aesop

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    I understand the point you are trying to display but why did you change the size difference in graphs between "ok" and "great" on the 2nd graph?
     
  15. Fin D

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    To illustrate the vast difference between bad and ok. It is different than other positions.
     
  16. aesop

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    Appears very manipulative.
     
  17. Fin D

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    I don't see why. I'm explicitly saying the scale is different because they are unit of 5.

    The difference between bad and average is huge but the difference between average and great isn't all that big.
     
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  18. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Can you repost those two graphs with same spacing?
     
  19. Fin D

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    Why? That would not reflect my point.
     
  20. Puka-head

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    Totally agree with you Galant. We have above average talent already on the line. The difference between being average and above average to great is going to come from coaching, scheme and experience as a unit. Exceptional OL talent is rare and all teams struggle and try to upgrade so demand is high.

    Bring back the fist pumper to coach the OL, get Cable from the SheHacks, I would talk to Oklahomas OL coach too.
     
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  21. Carmen Cygni

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    Either that or have superior coaching. Just like there is only one Belichick, there is only one Scarnecchia. Dante is HOF line coach.

    The point of the article is that coaching matters and is the biggest difference b/w teams. Some have to rely on starpower, and some more than others, but the best coaches get the most out of their players/units and win regardless.
     
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    There's still time to delete this nonsense.
     
  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    There's still time for you to delete your BS attitude.
     
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  25. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Exactly. In terms of our OL I believe better coaching will yield the biggest overall Improvement of any one change.
     
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  26. Walter

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    Close......

    But better coaching along with better talent should put improvement on a significantly higher level. Especially when your talking about mediocre players like to many of ours in which their bar is to low at their best....
    truthfully it should Not be an either, or.....

    This crossing your fingers approach toward OL in free agency has to stop..
    Money must be spent in FA for a couple of experienced proven linemen and not 5 new guys with the hope one or two will become that over achiever they dreamed of...We've seen that doesn't work more than a handful of times and yet its ground hog day for OL in the off season, year after year...

    Got to fix the OL even at other positions expense if needed...
     
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  27. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Not close. Exact. I said I believed improved coaching would yield the biggest improvement of ANY ONE change. So saying that the answer is two changes, is a different point.

    In addition, nowhere in the OP or afterwards did I state that an OL fix should be an "either/or" approach. You'll notice this wasn't a "The Exact Plan for Fixing the OL" thread, or an "Everything you need to know about the OL" thread. I have simply attempted, in this thread, to highlight one area where I believe the Dolphins have been lacking.

    As to your point of drafting more OL high. I've said elsewhere I don't think that's going to happen, and I'm sticking with it. There are areas of talent, where we could use an upgrade on the starters, and we could certainly use more depth, but throwing a first round pick at the OL, unless it a clear case of true BPA, isn't necessary and would be a waste. We have talent enough, we need to make it work.

    I'm hopeful coach Jeremiah will help take us in that direction.
     
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  28. Walter

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    I know what you said, and I'm also just expressing my view. Basically saying that without adequate level players coaching could be irrelevant. Not saying thats necessarily our case, I do think we have a couple of potential starters that good coaching would benefit.

    Not necessarily disagreeing but also pointing out that the better quality of a players ability can make the coaching less critical.
    I'm not trying to bust your balls and a bit surprised at the defensiveness cause I actually agree with what you said and added additional opinion of what also can be just as critical...Look I saw and remember the effects of Larry Little, Dwight Stevenson, the Richmond Webbs, Jim Langer, and Kuech's, on pretty much successful contenders year in and year out..... and to a degree these guys made a OL coaches job easy...Like to see this organization get upgrades on the OL to make whoever the OL coach is job easier and not having to be the miracle worker for the majority of our linemen and what the staff has to work with.

    Probably should say watching these old Dolphin OL greats is what opened my eyes to the real value they bring and the skill and talent a good O linemen bring, they actually are possibly the one most essential area that CAN make the others better.

    I also didn't advocate drafting OL players in the first, though would have no problem with Nelson if there. But spoke of free agents of quality and experience who have been available the last several years and overlooked. Thats were we fortify our line and yes that will mean spending money.............
     
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  29. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Sorry for the defensiveness but I've been getting a bit frustrated with opening threads where comments quickly go off topic as through they haven't read the OP.

    I saw you more or less agreed, and I agree that talent and coaching matters, but I wanted to address the fact that I think the Dolphins OL, as it is, would benefit more from better coaching than just a talent upgrade. I believe this is especially pertinent because we've spent a number of high picks on the OL (and I'm aware that doesn't guarantee anything and sometime you have to cut your losses), but I believe a number of the guys we have are talented enough. They just need play better together, as a unit. By comparison I highlighted the Pats OL were individual talent wouldn't seem to compare with the Dolphins OL, and yet, over the years, they've managed to get a lot more production out of their line.

    I believe the OL is the unit where this effect is most significant. If the OL doesn't play well as unit, it doesn't matter if you've got a monster on the line, it's not enough. The whole needs to remain unbroken and function as one to be truly effective.
     
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  30. Walter

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    I think what you said at the end about a OL playing as a unit to be right on. I'd like a high proven and skilled QB, WR, LB, DB, RB, and much the same see the OL similarly... Believe that the ability to play together as a unit also is a big part of the skill level that makes a player the quality they are. The right players and a coaching staff thats gets it AND knows how to make it so.... still IMO a huge question mark.

    Don't really know if the staff really understand how much a good OL would help (as weird as that may sound) first helping Tannehill who still is unproven and we're sticking with, and all our RB's...oh ya and even WR's....Up to now they haven't seem to see the importance (IMO) and thats says volumes about our organization..
     
  31. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I'm hoping they do/have.

    From what I gather, coach Washburn came to the team last year and with them previously on the 10-6 run, and then was drawn away to the Bears. I remember being surprised last year, with how well the OL held up at times, and it gave me hope that this OL could prove to be serviceable. It might be a stretch but I'm hoping that Washburn was part of that improvement, and that with Foerster now gone, coach Washburn can prove himself to be the guy many people apparently say he is - a really good coach.
     
  32. djphinfan

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    wait, we had this guy before?..what happened?
     
  33. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    He was an assistant and was given the chance to be the OL coach for the Bears. So we had him for one year and lost him.
     
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    I'm probably the only person here who played line in high school/college, was trained by a retired NFL line coach and coached high school line myself. I also get frustrated when people blindly say "the line sucks" or "the line coach sucks" when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about- a lot of folks here probably don't even know the different benefits of a 3 or a 4 point stance.

    So this is a subject I take kind of personally because it's what I know.

    In theory, you guys are wrong about the line having to work as a unit. Once the ball is snapped, each person has 1 defender to initially block...and how I block the DT has nothing to do with how the guy next to me blocks the blitzing linebacker (or whatever). Most people also incorrectly assume that for a lineman to do his job, the defender should never, ever get within a country mile of the QB/RB. That's not true either. If the QB is still standing in the pocket at the 4.0 second mark and he still has the ball in his hands, he hasn't done his job correctly one way or the other. So a lot of times you'll see a sack and blame the lineman when it was actually a coverage sack because the QB didn't scramble or throw the ball away.

    I'll also say that the coaching aspect plays huge dividends in two ways- fundamentals and scheme. There are times when everyone in the field executes their assignment properly and the QB is still leveled...that's where the formation itself comes into play. Sometimes you'll see a safety and a linebacker litz through the same hole or around the same corner, for example, and you have one person expected to block both- we all know it's not going to happen. The defense always has a huge advantage though because they can line up in any formation, use their hands to shed blocks and mix up their rushers as much as they want- we have the same five bubbas trying to handle it.

    Our biggest problem BY FAR this season was pre-snap penalties- we jumped offsides way too much and it killed far too many drives. But the overall blocking itself was slightly above average, which looked even better thanks to Cutler's pocket work and Drake hitting holes hard. It is 100% on the coaching to get the scheme right and they did a good job most of the time. Remember though, the defense has a massive advantage and they should win the LOS more often than not- so it's unrealistic to expect a perfectly clean pocket for 5 seconds on every play or gaping holes for RB's to run through. No team has that.

    In terms of what we need for 2018, I have absolutely no idea because we know next to nothing about our younger linemen on the bench. We also have no idea who is walking our linemen through assignments each week, how quickly our boys pick up concepts from film and so many other variables- you need that stuff to project what next season will bring. Remember, we don't need a line coach to teach these folks 3-point stances or how to fire off the ball- you don't make it to the NFL level without already being very close to a master in that regard. So a lot of this conversation is baseless because we just don't know- you'd have to be on the field and in the training room to really know what we have.

    I do think we have a solid core of six starting linemen (counting James) and we are headed in the right direction. But beyond that, it's really anyone's guess since there's so much we can't know without being in the room.
     
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  35. MrClean

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    Bill Bedenbaugh
     
  36. MrClean

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    Knowing what you know about OL play, and the state of our OL unit, would you advocate drafting Quenton Nelson at 11th overall, if he is still on the board?
     
  37. KeyFin

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    I think there's never a downside to taking one of the best linemen in the country- it's probably one of the safest possible picks there is when you look at different types of first round busts. QBs, LBs, RBs, WRs, CBs...you never truly know until they suit up and play a season or two. But with top linemen, you pretty much know what you have and you just need to get them adjusted to the speed and the playbook.

    For instance, Aistia sat this season because he can't get the formations/assignments down...and he's extremely mad at himself over it. He recently said in an interview, "Never Again," blaming it 100% on himself for not being able to help his team. I think he's a 4-8 year starter at one of the guard spots.

    So if you're looking for instant value that's a lock to start for multiple seasons, draft Nelson. That gives us 8 starting caliber linemen in 2018 (including Iastia, James and someone like Nelson) and we should be in very good shape until Pouncey gets traded/retires. The competition with top shelf linemen also pays off big time- they get more violent in practice because we all have tough guy egos.

    But if your question is, "Do we need Nelson to have a solid line in 2018," I think the answer is no. I like the quality of our picks in recent years and it is crucial to build a strong roster through the draft. Picks like Grant, Drake, Tank and many others have not been mid-round homeruns for us in the past decade and that makes a massive difference. So if they see a 10 year starter at another position, we certainly don't need a 1st round lineman to be set at that position.

    I'm not great at evaluating talent outside line, TE and maybe RB, but I do trust our organization to see that diamond in the rough more than in the past. There are over 150 linemen eligible for the draft this year and it's very hard for scouts to evaluate them all- folks like Asitia are readily available in the later rounds if you can spot and develop them.

    Sorry for the mixed answer but that's really how most line coaches will feel- you're stupid if you don't take the 1st round stud since he's the biggest lock in the draft, but then again you really don't have to have him if your coaching and blocking schemes are up to par.

    One thing I didn't mention earlier- if I was brought into the Fins facility this week and handed a playbook, there's no way I could start at any of the line positions in a scrimmage in the next few weeks...even if I was still 19-21 and in peak shape. There are variables on top of variables in blocking schemes and its a huge learning curve for anyone to master, which is the true wild card here. How smart is Nelson? What type of offense did his college team run and was he asked to stunt on a regular basis? Is he a leader or a follower? What's his off-field life like?

    For any position, you want a bookworm that's going to go home and dig down into the playbook every night until they have it down pat- and you're talking months of study. It's not really a football thing as much as it is being mature and responsible- and you're asking rookies to do this shortly after you hand them a signing bonus that's bigger than anything they've ever seen in life. As I said earlier, that's the main reason Aistia didn't crack the starting lineup this year...and I can completely understand how/why that happens.

    So that's the other thing I'd take a hard look at Nelson on- how bad does he want to take this next step? Is he mature enough to get to work today? I have a feeling that's how a lot of top 10 projected players end up going in the 2nd or 3rd round.
     
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  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Thanks for both of the long informative posts. You should consider copying and pasting them in the Club draft thread or free agency thread. To make sure more people see them. The part about the OL working as a unit and how it is overrated, compared to each lineman just knowing his assignments from play to play and carrying them out is an important key.
     
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