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Dolphins Hire Dowell Loggains as OC, Christensen Retained

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    "It is clear, however, that Gase intends to continue calling the plays in 2018 as he has his first two years with the Dolphins and for many years as an NFL offensive coordinator.

    The addition of Loggains -- or whoever Gase eventually hires -- is in part meant to help the Dolphins fill a void that was lost when former offensive line coach Chris Foerster was fired after a cocaine sniffing video of him surfaced in October. Foerster handled the offensive line but his duties also included setting up the running game and other things.


    It is not known how the Dolphins expect to address their apparent offensive line assistant coach vacancy.

    Loggains, 37, would come to the Dolphins with a reputation for running a balanced offense -- an issue the Dolphins had trouble with last season when they went into the final week having the most disproportionate pass to run ration of any NFL team.

    Loggains has coached a 1,000-yard rusher in all three seasons he’s been an offensive coordinator."
     
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  2. Rdrunn004

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    Never been a big fan of interviewing someone when the incumbent individual is still occupying the position. I do agree that we should look to improve at the OC position tho.
     
  3. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    What a quandry... on the one hand I'm really eager to see the coaching improve for the Dolphins (in whatever way that happens), but on the other hand, evaluating coaches is nearly impossible. There are so many different influencing factors and everyone and their grandma has opinions, there seems to be no way to get any bearing on possible changes. Prior success is no guarantee of future success, and likewise with failure. Does anyone know of a great way to evaluate coaches - or even some useful tools?

    This potential Loggains move feels bad, in part, because it seems like everything Gase does in this regard is bring him people he's familiar with, and it makes one wonder whether he even looks elsewhere. Of course, I suspect this happens everywhere, and I understand the tendency, and maybe no-one ever looks elsewhere for their positional coaches and coordinators, but still... it's hard not to feel negative about it.

    Then again, maybe it will be a good move...there's just no way to know.

    Then there was this rather horrible sounding piece - Loggains Named NFL's Worst Play Caller - which suggests ESPN thinks they know how to evaluate coaches:

    "ESPN recently ranked all 32 NFL playcallers and Loggains unsurprisingly landed dead last. ESPN's Jeff Dickersonexplained why Loggains was at the bottom of the list:

    Loggains is in his second year as Bears offensive coordinator after spending parts of the 2012 and 2013 seasons calling plays in Tennessee. He isn't nearly as accomplished as predecessor Adam Gase -- now the head coach of the Dolphins -- but Chicago doesn't have many weapons on offense, particularly at wide receiver. Plus, Loggains is attempting to coach up rookie quarterback Mitchell Trubisky, who started just 13 games in college before the Bears selected him second overall in the 2017 draft. But the NFL is a performance-based business. The Bears rank 29th in points per game (16.7) and total offense (291.6). Loggains, along with coach John Fox, is definitely on the hot seat as Chicago approaches its final seven games of 2017.

    Dickerson points out that the weapons have been limited for Loggains on offense, but he has a tendency to go away from what is working on offense. There have been plenty of times this season where the team has become predictable, particularly with Mitch Trubisky under center."

    So lots of mitigating factors listed there. But that last paragraph sounds eerily familiar.

    Not sure why I'm even looking at this. I mean what could I even expect from reading about coaching changes. Good or bad there's no way to know what will happen until it does.

    Urgh.
     
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  5. Galant

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  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I suppose at least with that name there'll be room for some Top Gun gags...

    Queue headline... Dolphins Heading to Danger Zone with Loggains?

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  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I'm not sure how I feel about this either. To paraphrase Bill Parcells, it's kinda hard to make a decent meal when you don't have any decent groceries but in Chicago, that's always been an issue. I mean think about it, when you think Chicago, you think of Walter Payton, Deven Hester and mostly, their defense. Chicago has NEVER been an offensive powerhouse.

    With this being said, it is difficult to get excited over the possibility of Loggains.
     
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  8. Galant

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  9. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Apparently Loggains may be up for some sort of role, and Christensen too, but no one has said OC just yet.
     
  10. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I got the distinct impression from those tweets that they're looking for Loggains for the offensive line/running game coach. Could be wrong but that seems to be where they're headed with this, not necessarily a replacement to Christensen.
     
  11. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Jesus man. Gase just needs to have someone run the offense. As smart as he is being a head coach is a much bigger commitment. Gase can play QB guru and let someone else run the offense and he can manage the team like he should. His way isnt working 2 years into the experiment.
     
  12. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Once upon a time, head coaches set the tone and schemes for their teams and had coordinators that executed that philosophy. These days, the “hot coordinator” is hired for HIS particular talents and he essentially runs to offense or defense even as the head coach.

    Not saying it’s goid or bad only that’s the way it is anymore and what’s even more amazing to me, with the exception of a handful, no coach in the NFL has any experience as an NFL player. That’s pretty incredible if you ask me.
     
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  16. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Gase is starting to flake on me in how this is being presented. We’ll see.
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    That makes sense to me- communication is essential in any job and Gase needs someone who he can easily delegate to. If the two are on the same page offensively, then I don't see an issue here. As others have said though, we won't know until we know.
     
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  18. Dolphin Dundee

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    Wow this guy sounds like a yes man.."He knows how to deal with Gases complex personality". are you kidding me?
     
  19. Galant

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    From the article:

    "Adam Gase felt he needs to change something in order to improve Miami’s 25th-ranked offense. Gase has said he will continue to call the plays in 2018.

    But Gase wanted a new voice in the room, and so he turned to a trusted voice from his past. Loggains was offensive coordinator of the Bears in 2016-17 and previously worked with Gase in Chicago...

    Why did Gase go with Loggains?

    According to people familiar with their excellent relationship, the organization feels Loggains:

    • Has familiarity with multiple schemes as a play-caller

    • Develops pocket awareness of quarterbacks

    • Is outstanding with players and respected around the league

    • Is good at managing people"

    • Holds players and coaches accountable
     
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  20. Seadog

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    "Adam Gase felt he needs to change something in order to improve Miami’s 25th-ranked offense. Gase has said he will continue to call the plays in 2018."

    So Gase was calling the O plays, hmmm because there was someone on this board that has told us over and over again Gase wasn't calling the plays.....

    I guess that certain someone was wrong, again and again.

    This alone tells me there's no reason to keep Gase, the O calling was pathetic.
     
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  21. Dorfdad

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    Such a bad move on paper IMHO how it improves things is beyond me. A voice in the room? Gase makes all the calls so unless the voice is going to object to Gases play calling in game than it’s a mute hire.
     
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  22. Seadog

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    Exactly, window dressing, but that's all it take to make some people happy...
     
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  23. danmarino

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    lol...Still having trouble with that reading, huh?

    Now go back and find what I said about Gase's play calling and post it here. You know, the part where I said that Gase and Christiansen shared that duty. Not equally either...

    And tell you-know-who that I said "hi". lol
     
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  24. gilv13

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    I hope we light it up on offense so i laugh harder at Bears fans.
     
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  25. texanphinatic

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    This is just griping/whining really. A mute voice? If he wanted a mute voice, why bother hiring someone at all. Having a voice you know could be a yes man sure, or it could be someone he thinks highly of and listens to. You have no idea and are just projecting based on your inner negativity toward Gase without any real foundation or argument underneath.

    This is a neutral move on paper. It's not flashy, but there is nothing inherently bad or negative about it at all.
     
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  26. Dorfdad

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    What in his resume makes you think he’s any good everywhere he’s been a coordinator they have sucked. That’s not projecting but factual.
     
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  27. hitman8

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    Still trying to play around with words ? You said "gase does not call the plays", and you repeated it multiple times ad nauseam. Gase himself says he calls the plays, everybody who reports on the team and has insider sources says he calls the plays. You can see it with your own eyes every Sunday how he has the playsheet and is reading in the plays.

    Yet you expect us to ignore all that and believe some guy named Dan Marino on a dolphins forum who says he does not?

    You are wrong, just like you have been wrong on pretty much every topic we argue about. You were wrong about kiko, you were wrong about Timmons, you were wrong about harris, you were wrong about branch, you are wrong about mostly everything since all you do is try to cover for **** decisions and **** players.
     
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  28. invid

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    Loggains' quarterbacks:

    2013 - Jake Locker/Ryan Fitzpatrick
    2014 - Brian Hoyer/Johnny Manziel/Connor Shaw
    2015 - Josh McCown/Johnny Manziel/Austin Davis
    2016 - Matt Barkley/Brian Hoyer/Jay Cutler
    2017 - Mike Glennon/Mitchell Trubisky

    The guy hasn't had an above-average quarterback for more than half a season (McCown 2015).
     
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  29. Dorfdad

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    All of those qbs were highly rated coming into the nfl they did nothing to help them
     
  30. invid

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    No they weren't. I'll give you Jake Locker and Mitchell Trubisky. Locker was on his last stint because of injuries, and then got injured again (enter Fitzpatrick). For Trubisky, it was his rookie year.
     
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  31. Ohio Fanatic

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    most certainly not all highly rated. highly overrated maybe
     
  32. Dorfdad

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    You using Hindsight. Sure we know now they were not all so good but most of them were highly regarded coming into the drafts. Regardless if we disagree or not the man has done nothing as an offensive coordinator to make me feel hes going to make us a top 10 offense in the NFL anytime soon.

    So unless we have a lights out defense a mid level offense and mid level defense is going to produce 8-8 9-7 seasons year after year where we have been it seems forever.

    I don't need a sexy name but Id like BOTH our O and Defensive cooridantors to have had prior experience.
     
  33. Ohio Fanatic

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    I think we're making assumptions (on both sides). There are too many factors to determine whether this will work out for the better or not. The only thing we can probably agree on is that it's not a slam dunk with this guy.
    • will the offense be better just having an o-coordinator on same page as Gase? i.e. was Christensen the problem?
    • Was the offense bad in Chicago because it was just a bad team with bad QB's?
    • If gase is still calling plays, will this guy focus on certain aspects of the offense and complement Gase?
    Of the three bullet points, the first one sticks out to me. The criticism people are leveling at Logains is the same criticism I had of Christensen. Never liked the guy or his resume.
     
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  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am not. Locker should have moved positions and Manziel was not a NFL quarterback.
     
  35. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Food for thought; if you extrapolate McCown's lone season with the BROWNS.

    24 TD, 8 INT (3:1 ratio), 4000+ yards

    Loggains had to keep making midseason QB changes. I didn't list all of those quarterbacks because they were simply on the roster, I listed all of them because they all at least had to start a game!
     
  36. Dorfdad

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    Of course there are many factors what I am simply saying is in my opinion on paper Indont feel this is going to be a move that fixes this offense. It may I have no real inside knowledge outside looking as his past which shows nothing exciting to me.

    This is a forum it’s all our opinions. My tone has been somewhat negative because I’m frustrated at the prospect of yet another mediocre season. I think Gase could be a good coach given enough time but I’m not sold on his current control level. Id like to see a real official offensive coach on the lines calling the plays.

    I think he needs to reduce his role to become a better coach.
     
  37. tirty8

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    Resume speaks for itself. Gase is getting his minions paid.
     

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